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Pay-2-Win
Xero_Chance
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It turns out that IO Enhancement Sets don't work if you're free or premium.
So even if you spent over 200mil on your build 2 years ago, you cannot even use your level 50 for anything at all. Don't even try to do anything without IOs at 50, you'll get kicked, tarred, and feathered. Most people check for slot bonuses in your info window when building a team, especially for something hard.
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It is true that they don't work. It is highlighted very clearly by going to the CoH home page.
http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/freedom/about-freedom/
Even though the game went free, do you honestly expect them to offer you everything at absolutely no cost? How would they function as a business? How would they pay employees?
Free to play is meant to entice you into paying by seeing enough of the game to make you want more.
Thank you. Very nicely and precisely stated. Now all we have to do is tattoo it on the eyeballs of all the "I want EVERYTHING! FREE! Forever!" whiners (for this and every other "free" MMO).
This is one of the better free2play systems I've seen so far, most other games are definitely pay2win but to a certain degree, you can gain several things and still play for free.
It's like $5 for 400 points. 160 points buys the IO License which enables IOs for all your characters. $5 for 2.5months of CoX isn't a bad deal. I decided to fork over the $5 rather than try to redo the builds with SO's and stuff to play them for free. $5 was worth it.
So that's why my 50s felt so bad when I tried Freedom. Oh well, no more CoX for me.
"If you're going to act like a noob, I'll treat you like one." -Caskio
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I've ... never actually seen anyone be denied a spot on a team for not having IOs. I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't recall ever seeing it happen on my servers.
Really though, you can do everything in the game without IOs, it's not that hard at all. Now you can't solo a mission scaled for 8 players with enemies several levels above you without IOs unless you're ok with dying a couple of times. That, however, is not what they're balancing their content towards.
Actually I'm pretty sure those points are only there for people who had a subscription for the couple of months before Freedom went live. Or at least that's how I understood it was going to work.
If you aleady paid for the stuff, you shouldn't have to pay for it again (box sales shold count for something). The only solution in that case is to just not play the game at all. Or just throw away more cash. Personally I can live without ever playing CoH again. With all the new games coming out and such.
It's hardly Pay2Win.
First of all, Pay2Win is only relevant in a competitive game -- PvP is pretty much dead here so while we can't call it exclusively cooperative, it really is...for now. Second, Pay2Win typically refers to game companies releasing ever increasingly more powerful items in their shops. The IO system is a game feature, not a singluar item that requires constant upgrades. Furthermore, it's FREE if you have enough tokens earned, otherwise costs less than $2/month. The reality is, if you don't want to pay $15/month, but don't want any other bells and whistles, then less than $2/month for a game is a great deal.
The typical argument is $15/month is a great deal when compared to a 2 hour movie ticket. $2/month is an awesome deal compared to a large fries that lasts 10 minutes. When you start looking at it like this and consider that before freedom launched, you couldn't play at all because you did not want/could not cough up $15/month, your argument doesn't hold much water.
Oh, and one last thing -- a 200 million inf build is nothing ( ' ;
Before freedom launched, you paid for a subscription -- when you stopped paying, you stopped playing. All that's changed is now you get to play SOME of the game for free, if you so choose. If you want to play ALL of the game, it's going to cost some money (either in subscription time or point purchases) -- that's not much different from the past.
In today's world of Freedom, a box purchase is unnecessary.
If someone bought the CoH box -- they got and used the subtime they paid for.
If someone bought the CoV box -- they got and used the subtime they paid for.
if someone bought the CoH collector's edition -- they got and used the subtime they paid for; they also have access to their cape of the 4 winds, prestige power slide, and badge....
if someone bought the Cov collector's edition -- they got and used the subtime they paid for; they also have access to their arachnos cape and symbol....
if someone bought the architect edition -- they got and used the subtime they paid for; they also have access to the free booster pack.
if someone bought the Mac edition -- they got and used the subtime they paid for; they also have access to their mission transporter power and valkyrie set.
if someone bought the good versus evil edition -- they got and used the subtime they paid for.; they also have access to their justice and sinister costume sets, jump pack power, and mission transporter power.
if someone bought a CoH pre-order or CoV pre-order -- they still have access to the sprint or helmet.
Stuff you paid for, as in the bonus perks, you still have access too. Buying a box did not mean you have access to the game though, paying a subscription did....before Freedom. This makes the argument that "I should get what I paid for and therefore have access to everything for free" fallacious because you did get what you paid for -- you just don't accept it.
Please note, box codes are still being honored so if you do find it on the cheap, you can add sub-time to your account, pick up perks, and even snag the free booster from the architect edition.
If you have enough veteran time, you get the IO system. I am not paying for a sub and my IOs work just fine.
You never get any incarnate content/system if you are free/premium however. I think that this means they perceive the incarnate stuff to be the crowning glory of their game or something.
Since incarnate content now consists of running BAFs over and over again and is even more boring than running paper missions, I am fine skipping it, although the incarnate rewards are pretty nice.
They clearly have a lot planned for incarnate though with the extra slots, and in the event that they add a lot and make things more interesting I might subscribe again.
Pls, correct me if I am wrong but by enough veteran time you meant more than 5 years?
Being premium is basically nice for only that level of previous commitment.
I cannot imagine how bad it would be for a brand new player. How much would it costs? It is essentially a soft-pseudo lifetime subscription for a high price.
I would say for somebody planning either starting or returning to the game, he should ask himself, what's the minimum level he would be willing to have for playing. Then make the math to know how much it would costs and then decide. I am about 10 tokens from IOs but I dont think at this point I would pay for them. I'd rather just join the free people in the world of SOs.
How "bad" it will be for a new player? Frankly, a brand new player who has never experienced IOs really isn't going to know if they're missing anything. The game is balanced around SOs and IOs have strictly been a optional system.
As for doing the math, yes, that's what everyone should be doing when it comes to deciding on how they will spend their money... In your case, not spending the money is fine. Even if you spend no money, you still make a contribution to the game with your presence because you're another person the payors get to play with. It all works out ( ' :
You see that doesn't work when I bought CoV back in 07 the reason I bought it was because I wanted to play my MM archetype.
And last time I checked they told me I kept everything I unlocked so therefore the CD key I used when I bought CoV should have unlocked the MM archetype, but it doesn't there just forcing my arm to either subscribe to pay for the content I already payed for or just plain out buy the archetype.
It doesn't work like that, and in the end it makes NCsoft look like the evil company.
They never said you kept everything so far as I know..."nearly everything" was the wording.
Not to mention you don't 'lose' anything. People's characters are still there, they are just currently not available. Just like IOs without an Invention License. Have a character IO's to the gills? Swap builds and slot SOs.