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Cynic7
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I'm wondering if the developers of this site can create a link that will identify Mac compatible games , it would be a big help in editing the Favourites list. I recently bought a new Imac, and have found that the majority of games are not on Mac. What's wrong with the game developers and publishers?
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Apple computers make up about 5% of all desktop computers in use. The developers have decided to go where the money is and that is where over 90% of desktop computers exist: Those with a Microsoft operating system on them. Apples operating system is derived from the free Linux OS. Those two types of OSes make up less than about 7% of all destiop computers.
Plus fact that Windows desktop you get alot more performance for your buck. Apple is just not good platform for games.
Apple only good for looks not performance.
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The question is: what is wrong with people buying mac's
No but really mac's are usually inferior for almost everything with a higher price ticket.
And the reason why dev's usually don't bother is because most people have PC's.
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Well nowadays Mac's are actually just normal PC's hardware wise lol , you can perfectly fine and no problem at all install Windows or Linux or any Mac compuiter.
It was diffrent years ago , but now , Mac's have 'inside' same processors, graphic cards ,etc as your normal PC. You just paying extra for 'right' to use MacOS on it lol
Yeah , not many games have native Mac or Linux versions. Some of games you can succesfully run through programms / things like Wine, but only some and sometimes with some issues.
Mac's are and will be very limited because it is just product of one company , contrary to PC which is open standard and Windows that you can install on any compatibile hardware legally.
Linux even though is it slowly gaining popularity on desktops it is simply not focused on gaming at all. Besides it is nowhere near popular enough yet , to have games natively made for it (there are some exception but...).
So like it or not - if you want to play games on PC , - you have to have Windows to dual boot if you use other OS for everyday use and it is not gonna change at least not in next 7-8 years at least imho.
Here is the list, google is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macintosh_games
So, this went off-topic fast. The guy (and I agree) just wanted this site to have a link or something to point out which games are available to the Mac. Doesn't seem like he's asking too much.
That's correct however if you compare the prices a Mac usually costs twice the price (no exaggeration) for a machine with a similar or even inferior hardware. You basically pay a lot just so you get that apple on it.
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Good design costs. Apples and Sonys laptops have by far the best design and therefor cost more.
Most of the stuff people buy they buy it for how it looks, nothing wrong with that. Otherwise all would be wearing the exact same practical cheap clothes, like they did in China in the 70s.
Yeah. That's why I don't see a sense in buying Mac , unless you need some use Mac only software for your work.
btw OP take look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macintosh_games
and
http://www.winehq.org/ - this is sort of programm (well it is API but let's keep things simple) that is made for Linux , but there is also Mac 'version' , that can help you run some Windows made games if you're desperate , but it work only for miniority of titles and sometimes need a bit of tweaking to work.
Simpler to install on Mac version of 'wine' programm from above link can be obtained from http://wineskin.doh123.com/
I already posted that link.
But yes, if you want something sensible instead of flashy Apple isn't for you. Blackberry is the by far most useful phone on the market but Iphone sells a lot more due to good design and lots of useless apps.
My PC looks like a piece of craps with wires hanging out from it (and a radiator for the water cooling) but it is faster than most other PCs.
But some people buy for style, other for price or performance, I don't see what is wrong with either.
Yeah , have not realized you posted it already. Sorry.
Well there is nothing wrong with buying Mac for style and paying extra for it. It is perfectly fine to do so.
That does not change a fact I don't see any logical sense personally to buy Mac for gaming purposes and most others. Seems like OP did not realize it though, judgining that he seems surprised that Mac does not support running most games.
Cool.
But a huge percentage of all people buy a computer for gaming and gets one that doesn't make sense. Surprisingly many buys a mid price laptop and assume it will run games as well as a desktop of the same price... And others spend loads of cash on the processor but then saves some bucks on the GFX card which is the truly important part for gamers.
We just don't all have same knowledge about stuff, I could tell you stuff about history that made more than one university teacher sad but my math skills could be better and I have no clue whatsoever about pop music.
Or for all we might know OP might got the Mac from his job or got a great price on it.
lol the ignorance of people who dont own or have not got a modern mac computer have no idea how powerful or superior to a pure windows baced pc they are.
Apple has the functionality and design sttributes that make the user experience way better than the pc. I have a high end imac with bootcamp. It is a beast. I have the pleasure of os lion, the best os on the market for everything i need for business and work, functionality is second to none. When i want to play a windows game not supported by mac i bootcamp to windows 7.
Try doing that on a pc!
I know the ignorant here will flame me, but i can handle it, for those in the know apples growth in the computer market is greater than microsoft, in future years the gap will reduce and those that can afford it will be playing on apple far more than we see currently.
Apple computers are awesome.
Well of course. You know I am not judging OP , no by any means. He has his own reasons for owning / buying Mac and they might be perfectly logical or might not be. Maybe he is perfectly happy becasue of owning Mac for whatever reason and if that's so then great more power to him !
Still that does not mean , I am changing my personnal opinion on Mac's.
You're right that many people buy PC's with intention to play on them , but those PC's don't have good configuration for gaming (like you said good CPU but bad GPU and /or bying low-to-mid range laptop with gaming intention ,etc) , this might happen for variety of reasons. Selling clerk might not have knowegedle or just deceiving customer, customer him self might have unrealisic expectations or might not have knowegedle. Sure there are some other reasons as well.
Frequently pre-build PC configurations in some retail or on-line stores are not good for gaming , sometimes even if they are advertised as gaming PC , which is outrageus to me , but well world is harsh.
I am aware of all that.
I am against elitism or bashing people because they have made some bad choice. It is just rude and frequently unfair.
Still I sometimes express my opinion about things like that, not because I want to judge , but becasue I want some other people to learn something and/or help and/or just because I want to state my own opinion.
Strict political correctness frequently means that some things are not talked about , and that might have bad impact on certain things, consumer knowegedle being one of those things.
That's why I am mostly against political correctness. I try to construct my opinions so noone get offended , but I realize some people might get anyway. That's unfortunatte , but that does not mean I am planning to change my ways.
I have never owned a Mac so i have a quick question.. Can you build and upgrade a Mac like you can a PC?
The reason I ask is that is one of the reasons I enjoy my pc so much.. its mine.. I built it.. I am willing to try a Mac if this is the case.
Not really.
So do you have to buy a new Mac everytime it gets outdated or can you part it out like you can a PC?
I use a Mac Pro at home, and we have fairly extensive household ecology of iStuff between the various iPhones, iPods, iPads, Apple TV etc belonging to me, my wife and our five boys. The main reason I switched from PCs 3 years ago was for the reliability you get with OS X and iOS - my Mac runs day and night for months at a time without need for restarts or maintenance, and all the iStuff just works together and streaming content around the house is effortless to set up. That's the main reason I appreciate the Apple tech - it's a bonus that it looks cool.
You can certainly buy more power for less by going PC, and you can tinker with it far more, but I got tired of that as we needed more computers in the house and getting them to work together became a nightmare.
For games, I agree this is one area where Macs lag behind. My two solutions:
1) Parallels virtual machines - I run a virtual Win 7 box that runs GW, Rift, Allods etc just fine and the best thing is you just hit F6 to instantly toggle back and forth to OS X - so you have 2 computers in one.
2) For more graphics-heavy stuff where Parallels can't quite manage, I buy reconditioned Dell Precision laptops from eBay - the M6300 17-inch mobile workstation goes for about £200 these days and has a Quadra FX GPU in it that can handle even modern games very well indeed. Agreed, not cutting edge stuff but good enough and cost-effective.
I understand your viewpoint, Im definitly going to check into it more on my own. I also just read up on Hackintosh. Never tried it or anything but it looks like you can run a patched OS X on PC
Apple have great design in their tablets, laptops and desktops. In terms of cost it has been real tough for PC manufacturers to compete with iPad2 or MacBook Air, those types of computers kick PC makers like HP in the lower regions, no debate. Gaming though is a little different since a lot of gamers will build a rig from parts, and then install Win to power the games. That backroom manufacture will be cheaper...but, you won't be taking one of those on a buisness trip with you. As a result for games for Mac you are talking Blizzard or Bootcamp and windows. That is good option and gives you a computer with great design. I wouldn't laugh at the Apple model as they have basically broken the portable games market...Nintendo and Sony can't compete with Ipad 2 for gaming.
There are two popular 3D libraries used for 3D game creation. Direct3D and OpenGL. Direct3D requires Windows operating system. OpenGL runs on both Mac and Windows.
Many games who support both Mac and Windows do it by writing large chunks of the engine twice, one for OpenGL to run on Macs, and the other for Direct3D to run on Windows. This ends up being a large amount of work.
Basically most of it boils down to it's easier to not support Mac than it is to support it.
Sure you can. Hardware is exactly the same ,apart of small chip or custom bios (don't remember) that normally MacOS X is looking for on mainboard to verify that this is Apple made computer.
So yeah if you hack/crack Mac OS X , you will run it on any modern PC without any issues.
It will be breaking on EULA and possibly law if your Mac OS X is not legitimate copy, but well that's whole other issue
Rather than coding everything from scratch, most commercial games use an API to do a lot of the low-level graphical work for them. The two main ones are DirectX and OpenGL. The main advantage of DirectX is that it is a lot easier to make the game work right. I think that DirectX also offers more graphical features.
The advantage of OpenGL is that it can run on any OS. In contrast, DirectX is made by Microsoft, who for obvious reasons has no interest in making it run on Macs or Linux. Thus DirectX is Windows-only. Wine tries to translate DirectX API calls into OpenGL to make DirectX work on Macs and Linux, and it does work for some games, but not nearly as well as running DirectX natively on Windows.
So developers have a choice: easier to code or greater OS compatibility. Since nearly all gamers have Windows anyway, most game developers take the former option.
As far as hardware goes, a Mac is a PC, so you can install Windows on it and it will work. You can play whatever games you want that way. Some gamers with a Mac dual boot, using Windows for games and Mac OS X for everything else. Look into Boot Camp if you're interested in going that route.
Not to flame you at all but I use both Windows based PCs and the newest Macs on a daily basis and what you say here is pure Apple fandom talking. Macs are very good at what they do but what they do is limited by Apple themselves. Because of this the top end Windows based machines will always out perform Macs in every conceiveable way. This has more to do with Windows based PCs ability to use the latest hardware as soon as it's available than anything else. Macs don't have that luxury as they are limited as to what hardware Apple will allow.
I also run 3 seperate OS's on one of my personal PCs. I run Windows 7, The Developer Preview of Windows 8 and Redhat Linux all selectable at boot on three seperate partitions. Any Windows based PC can do this with relative ease. I Also have run several instances of different OSs at the same time on a single Windows based PC through the use of virtual machines. I have no issue with Macs and I do recommend them to some people... mainly people that are already used to the Mac OS and aren't interested in gaming. Switching from one OS to another can be very confusing for most people... that goes both ways. Windows to Mac or Mac to Windows.
As for Macs being the 'future' I find that very hard to believe without Jobs at the helm. The last time he left the company almost went bankrupt. This time there is no chance of Steve Jobs returning to save their bacon. I think the comming years will be very interesting to watch where Apple is concerned.
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