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Judge beats daughter for using the internet
eycel
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DONT watch if you dont want to see spanking with belt
Sorry I know its kinda bummer thread and downer but its reality for some people.
Heres link to the video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIxNXV9rlQ. Link to the story here http://news.yahoo.com/family-court-judge-caught-beating-ill-daughter-videotape-183647572.html.
I know its way off-topic like completely but I feel passionate about it. Its not a big thing, but its the small things that count and can hurt.
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She got beaten for using Kazaa... thats pretty messed up.
There is nothing wrong with a little corporeal punishment under the right circumstances, and your average belt slap doesn't remotely qualify as abuse.
Came on here ready to defend the guy against people that were badly overreacting (again), then watched the video...
Yeah, he crossed the line there, carry on with the verbal abuse of the abuser folks
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Wow... and the daughter has cerebral palsy too. That punishment is way over the top for anything i can think of.
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Judge beats daughter for using the internet LIKE A BOSS
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Disugsting. Obvious these PEOPLE (because they're not parents) should NEVER have had a child.
Considering the evidence, I think the state should review the PEOPLE as the possible cause for girls CP. CP can be caused by birth problems, or, a shaken child. With how willing the man and woman are, to beat their child like this, this has gone on previously. From the view of it, many times before.
There's a right way, a wrong way; he definitely knows this is the WRONG way.
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The incident happened 8 years ago.
She's 23 years old.
This was big news back then:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html
Yes, you shouldn't hit your children, especially in anger, and you definitely shouldn't use abusive language while you're doing it, but before we fully condemn people on an 8 minute video we should probably get a full picture of that household but, none of that really matters because she's 23 years old and can tell her Dad where to put his belt or anybody else for that matter.
My Dad used to beat me and my Sister with a belt. In fact, one time he was going to beat her, I volunteered to be beaten in her place. To this day, she still thanks me for it and this happened around 45 years ago.
[Watches as majority of the child abuse cases he ruled on becomes reversed]
I am a big proponent for physical punishment with children, even using a belt, but this is completely over the top.
Something like this happened to me ONCE when I was a kid for something equally as stupid (I don't even remember what actually) and it's something I'll never forget. I got whipped, but only once like this.
There is a pretty big difference between physical punishment and beating your children. It's not a fine line, it's a pretty thick line and this definitally crossed it.
I liked it, more kids should get beat. Parents are to soft and let their little devils ruin everything. They don't care, have attitudes and are disrespectful to their elders. Good for him, corporal punishment is only bad in our eyes now ever since the media blew it out of the water years ago. When I was a kid they had corporal punishment in school, I got beat with a paddle 2 times and learned my lesson after that. My dad and mom would spank if you did anything really bad. The kids today are little devils who need to be spanked and taught lessons. Their attitude now days is if you don't treat me good or get me this or that I will just tell people you hit me and child abuse. What is wrong with society is they became to damn easy on their kids because they are afraid to punish or correct them with a smack on the ass once in awhile because the worry of child abuse.
This video and spanking as far as what I read and know of it is that this Judge was furious that his daughter was stealing music off file sharing sites, he probably got so angry cause he never taught her to steal before. I see no harm in spanking your kids, but am against real abuse like punching or hitting on the face or any other form of abuse besides just spanking their butt.
This is a prime example of why the olden days are dying out. This is the 21st century, not the 20th. Beating a child with a belt is child abuse plain-and-simple. Especially when it is out of anger.
And I suppose this is why the 21st century is going to die out to eventually if not sooner because of lack of discipline. You can argue all you want about child abuse and stuff but if Parents don't start being parents and discipline their kids things will continue to get worse. Never before when I was going to school were there pregnant girls in high school all over the place and kids disrespecting older people right out, if you did it was behind their backs you had respect not to do it directly. Kids now are so spoiled, ignorant and lack discipline. I agree I am against child abuse as stated above, their are things that you can do but spanking your kid on the butt is not child abuse.
Parents let their kids get away with everything today because they have no time for family or want to discipline because like I said they are afraid of child abuse accusations.
I agree with that part but is corporal punishment always the good solution? I can also imagine such parenting transforming your kids into homocidal psycopaths scarred by childhood trauma's if you push it too far.
Like everything else nowadays it's a matter of balance. I would agree certain parents just encourage bad behavior with their laxism but is corporal punishment THE answer?
I didn't get beaten neither by teachers nor by my parents but i respect authority and am disciplined when necessary.
On top of that "downloading music from the net" really doesn't seem to be something deserving "spanking". cut off her net for a while , format her pc , be creative, but no need to spank her. On top of that you must also take into account the environment that kid lives in. Most kids think downloading stuff is "all right" , it's almost indoctrination, can you truly go berserk on your child because of that?
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Like everything else nowadays it's a matter of balance. I would agree certain parents just encourage bad behavior with their laxism but is corporal punishment THE answer?
I didn't get beaten neither by teachers nor by my parents but i respect authority and am disciplined when necessary.
On top of that "downloading music from the net" really doesn't seem to be something deserving "spanking". cut off her net for a while , format her pc , be creative, but no need to spank her. On top of that you must also take into account the environment that kid lives in. Most kids think downloading stuff is "all right" , it's almost indoctrination, can you truly go berserk on your child because of that?
No of course not. Corporal punishment is not the only thing, as I said above post that there is other things along with it.
Most kids today and parents have no big concerns with them downloading music illegally. But look at how long ago that video was, 8 years ago it was a major thing and also that guy is a Judge of law. He probably was furious that his own daughter would do something like that by stealing music. I probably would be right in saying he taught her about these things and morals at a young age and probably lost it when he learned that she was stealing. 8 years ago there was huge media about illegal download services to get free music, it was a HUGE thing not like today where people just forgot about it and shrug the shoulders. Back then it was pretty big deal if you used those services to steal music. I think that was when Metallica got very pissed haha.....But yeah so you can kinda see where he was coming from, I don't condone the spanking or whipping of a child out of anger though and repeatedly for more then maybe 20 seconds tops of a spanking, he clearly was outraged and what was done is done.
Parents for thousands of years have used corporal punishment, let psychologists tell you unfounded things such as it will make them into psychotic killers etc. etc. etc.... If that was the case then half the world should be psychotic. That is more to do with excessive abuse and not corporal punishment, their is a difference in abusing a child mentally and sexually over and over vs spanking them once in awhile. These psychologists tend to defer all the above into a package of abuse when that is not the case with regular corporal punishment vs real abuse. They are totally different things.
Concerning the last paragraph i would just like to clarify i mainly refered to what could be seen as "abusive" spanking. What could happen when done too hard and/or too often. I don't think getting beaten very often can be any good (heck if done so often it would even point towards the pointlesness or abusive character of it).
However i must say i didn't know it was such a big deal over there 8 years ago as i can't recall it ever being a big deal at all over here. the only difference is that it has spread a lot but it has always been considered as one of those "not bad" crimes by the offenders.
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I see. So, your belief is that whipping the hell out of a child with a belt is alright because if we don't then we're not "disciplining" our children. What a load of tripe.
Again, the 20th century has past. It is not the 21st century. The stuff like beating the hell out of your children with a belt, board, broom, etc... is considered child abuse because it is battery.
As to your last part, that's called neglectful parents. THEY are part of the problem. It's because they don't want to be parents that they are neglectful. It has nothing to do with their fear "of child abuse accusations". Because, beating the hell out of a child with an object IS child abuse.
Red: So, it's alright because we have used it for "thousands of years" in the past. Yeah.... many things, that we believed were alright in the past, have been proven wrong today. Thinking cats carried the Black Plague, that the Earth was the center of the universe, that the Earth was flat, etc.... All were proven wrong.
Blue: Please provide a study by a psychologist that says that. Otherwise, your conjecture has failed.
What corporal punishment with objects does do, is proves to the children that it is alright to harm another. It also proves to the child that the parents are vengeful and abusive.
Spanking with the hand is one thing.
Spanking with a paddle, belt, broom, etc... is assault (because it causes fear) and battery.
The whole thing is pretty bizarre. Unfortunately, this type of harsh punishment is practiced world over. In some places, sadly a child can die, and there can be little to no consequences for the parent. It is sad.
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Untill you expeirence it yourself and how it effects your life you cant really have an opinion that means much compared to those that have went threw it on something like this I think.
I guess Im just the type of person that could never do something as useless as this. Honestly, beating some girl that has no way to defend her self. If the roles were reversed and this guy was taking it and getting socked the entire world would be upside down on its knees.
Sure Ill kick some ass once in awhile, but you can tell when something is out of place. Did you see the girls face at the end of the video, she looked like a ghost for christ sakes. That tells everything I need to know. Do you take into account those things. She wasnt some cocky girl controlling her dad like a sissy spoiled brat. This lady is in the fight of her life and her dad is just exacerbating the entire mess.
Also its not just the physical abuse, that can heal but obviously there is some mental abuse going on here and that can reak havoc not only on her but every one else that ever comes in contact with her. Its like a chain effect, mentally abuse someone like this and everyone has to live with how much of a dumb ass idiot this loser is. People dont just take care of them selves especially in society, this lady will need lots of support from people to get over how cruel and unjust a scumbag like this is and it effects others helping as well. We all lose when people like this are out and about walking in are daily lives.
Like Jerry once said on Sienfeld, "Thats just not good for anyone" and literally it isnt.
Red: So, it's alright because we have used it for "thousands of years" in the past. Yeah.... many things, that we believed were alright in the past, have been proven wrong today. Thinking cats carried the Black Plague, that the Earth was the center of the universe, that the Earth was flat, etc.... All were proven wrong.
Blue: Please provide a study by a psychologist that says that. Otherwise, your conjecture has failed.
What corporal punishment with objects does do, is proves to the children that it is alright to harm another. It also proves to the child that the parents are vengeful and abusive.
Spanking with the hand is one thing.
Spanking with a paddle, belt, broom, etc... is assault (because it causes fear) and battery.
Read my posts, what you said for blue highlight made no sense as I was talking to someone else who I was referring back to. Read much between the lines?
Sorry, your deflection attempt has failed. Again, provide actual proof before you make sweeping accusations like you just did with the claim that "psychologists tell you unfounded things such as it will make them into psychotic killers".
As to the rest of my post, that you neglected to answer, proves that I am correct in those statements.
From the father's attorney:
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
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Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
http://www.kristv.com/files/Judge-Adams-statement.pdf
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
judge huh, well nothing will happen to him. ive seen judges get away with so much crap.
should haved chopped her hands off like the good ol days when people stole.
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Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.