SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P.
Agreed.
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Are you worried with something mate?
Or are you wishing something?
Affraid that your favourite released or to be release mmo will be empty?
Why that behaviour if you are so confident that SWTOR will be a failure?
This is finally going to be the quality monthly sub MMO that we have all been waiting for. If you really belive that it is going to go F2P, then you are retarded!
Lifting NDA would be good? No, not if you had the chance of seeing what happened during the betas of Rift. What seemed to be a good thing then, looking back it was the worst decision they could have made. The best Rift I played was Beta2, then... the open Betas became popular, Infos were spread all around, and the morons took over.
This was on of my worst MMO-experiences, seeing people cry so loud that Trion gave in and ruined the game by reducing the challenges ... oh how I loved that you had to be afraid of logging out at the wrong place, because there could be an invasion on login, and in early beta days those were a guaranteed kick to the graveyard.
So, please, Bioware, don't ever lift the NDA!! People will cry and yell and laugh and cheer anyway. So stay focused as long as you can on your decisions, the apple/oranges-morons will be there soon enough anyway.
Everything else is speculation, hype, fanboi/trollism or viral marketing (either for or against). Unless you happen to be in beta...in which case good for you...but you probably shouldn't be commenting publicaly yet.
I won't be playing because:
A) From what the Dev's, themselves, have said about thier design goals...it's really not the type of game I'm interested in.
I don't purchase software these days without some opportunity to sample/try said software for myself to determine whether it's worth the full purchase price. Sorry, just too many products on the market these days that don't match thier advertising/reviews.... and with publishers routienely either having full time in-house employees or hiring outsourced 3rd party firms to shape reviews of thier product....pretty much any review from any source that I don't know personaly is suspect. My money is too hard earned to waste on something I don't know is worth the value. YMMV.
This is finally going to be the quality monthly sub MMO that we have all been waiting for. If you really belive that it is going to go F2P, then you are retarded!
This is said for every MMO that is coming out about how great it will be etc. Time and time again we get proved wrong and then say it about the next MMO and the next but they never take off. Here is to hoping THIS is it but I am not banking on it just from how the past has been. We will know the state of the game 30, 60 and 90 days after release. Hopefully it is at an increase of people because eventually one of these MMO's will finally be it.
SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P.
Agreed.
Agree also. But I am buying it anyway because I really like Bioware Single-Player RPGs, of which this will be one of the best, I hope.
But yea. . .TOR isn't a MMO, but a single-player rpg / corpg, and its' game-play appeal isnt going to last past level cap when the story is over and their idea of game-play content is treating the mice (consumers) to the same exact content for $15/month.
Yeah because they would never add content right...
Ohh...they'll add more of your single-player and CORPG content.
But not massively-multiplayer features that place players at the hub of influential, cooperative and competitive game-play,which makes for "massively-multiplayer", other than the chat-box.
If they iron-out Ilum, which many have remarked concerns about it being nothing more than WoW's Wintergrasp, the game is still 80% single-player and 4-player cooperative dungeons or 8 v 8 repeatable shoe-box cage matches, versus 20% massively-multiplayer, of which there has been no tangible video game-play revealson. /shrugs
I might be crazy but all i xpect from this game is a standard MMO, with a good story..
But i really doubt its going f2p with 24 months. They seem to a lot of flashpoints, and my only doubt about this game has been washed away with the other mmo news here. That they have made flashpoints that doesnt have too much story but more like WoW dungeons
I wish people would stop assuming how the game is or how good the game is. Wait for launch then either A: come back here and complain about swtor or B: play the game and enjoy it for what it is, no one likes assumptions {mod edit}
Why does everyone think when the story is over the game is over? To be honest I could care less about the story. I just want to play the game, I usually don't pay attention to the story more than once and if it is too long I will just spam click through it since I would rather play then have a story told to me.
There are a lot of people playing that the story won't bother them if it slows down at max level. There are also thousands of people who are going to be playing just like me that the story isn't going to be an issue. In the end it is game play that matters. I am not knocking the story at all from what I have seen it is done really well but I don't want to be stuck for 10 minutes watching something.
SW:TOR Looks amazing, and I have played it for a while now..let me just say that If you don't like MMORPG's that are not SANDBOX then you will probably not like it.
For everyone else, you will be super pleaslenty surprised. Enjoy it and I know you cannot wait. It is going to be great..and it won't go free to play by any means, no chance in hell.
So let's say I love MMO that aren't Sandbox, does that mean I will love the new digimon online game ? No, not at all. Your logic fail.
If you like Star wars in general, you might like the game, otherwise it will just be a sci-fi game.
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Originally posted by poefue
The haters are out in full Force, lol, this morning.
At least it isn't getting the same lvl of hate that WoW got.
Why do you compare number of a haters from a game to another ? When the playerbase of WoW would most likely be like 4-5 time the player base of SWTOR. It's normal that you have more troll and stupid people when there's more people.
Originally posted by jeremyjodes
Launch is always epic. And when it's a AAA MMO it's pretty crazy. plus this may be the last 150 million dollar MMO ever made. you gotta be there just for bragging rights.
Exepct that SWTOR might not even be an AAA games. AAA games aren't only about the number of dollars they put in the games.
And if they really spend 150M in the game, I wish they could have put more money into the the graphic and combat, which both sucks for a game released in 2011-2012, instead of Voice Acting.
Trolls? People giving their opnions have now become trolls? When did that happen?
Not trying to bait anyone and start an arguement just having an honest discussion on a discussion forum about an upcoming game. Feel free to form your own opinions, it's your right as it is everyone else's right to have one different than yours
There is a very fine line between trolling and giving a negative opinion.
Just like there is a very fine line between fanboism and giving a positive opinion.
The annonymity of the interwebz and the fact it is difficult to determine a person's tone through text-only inputs makes that line even finer.
That's the first post I've ever read from you Badspock where I actually agree with you. Tone is soooo hard to convey and tends to make forum discussions go all kinds of crazy ways.
Just got finished reading this thread fully (as well as others in the past pertaining to SWTOR). This is my observations:
1. If you like the game - Your posts are 100% accurate.
2. If you don't like the game - You have no idea what you are talking about and are just a troll.
3. If you say you are in beta and like it - See # 1
4. If you say you are in beta and dislike it. You are obviously lying about being in beta and even if your not your just a troll and don't know what you are talking about.
I have never seen such a concserted effort to discredit anyone who doesn't say this is the 'Greatest Game Ever'.
And please don't list examples I have been suscribed to this website for a long time and read the forums everyday I don't post alot but I read everything (that i think is interesting anyway), and there has been nothing like this.
Rofl, nice. I noticed this too, here of late. It's like people have a really hard time with anti opinions.
SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P.
You will probably have to wait a full decade for it to become a free to play.
Less than one year, based totally and completely upon the recent investor reports EA themselves have posted.
EA themselves say the direction they are taking the game is tons of DLC paid content, and an in game item mall, on top of a monthly subscription. Plus they are in love with their " Origin " system and plan to force us to use it for the DLC content.
I do not care how much someone may like the game soon as they realize EA's intent is to bleed them dry on DLC's and a cash shop, ppl will be raising all kinds of hell and leaving in droves.
Not to mention how they intend to reduce staff and outsource the remaining Bioware developers to china.
EA is going to kill the game and the sad part is, because they own Bioware, it's not like Bioware can do anything to stop it.
Here are some facts from the negative versus positve reviews etc.
I have found and read just about everything on the internet regarding this game, except of course illegal leaks and NDA breaks which I have not saught out.
Every single negative review/preview I have read about SW:TOR follows the same pattern -
They don't like the style, the story, the themepark, the WoW-like ease of access etc.
Or, to put it simply, there is NOTHING wrong with the game in terms of design/polish/functionality - it's just not their "type of game."
Let that sink in...
The ONLY negatives are that some people subjectively do not like the game's style based upon their own feelings and opinions.
So that tells us logically that the game is freaking unbelievably awesome for people who like this type of game and know exactly what to expect in terms of play style and features.
That tells us that this game does not appeal to people who do not like/want this type of game, but that there are no real flaws or major issues (unlike WAR/STO/AION/AOC/etc. etc.)
TLDR:
If you want an orange, buy an orange. If you want an apple, buy an apple. If you don't like apples, don't buy an apple and complain it isn't an orange.
Here are some facts from the negative versus positve reviews etc.
I have found and read just about everything on the internet regarding this game, except of course illegal leaks and NDA breaks which I have not saught out.
Every single negative review/preview I have read about SW:TOR follows the same pattern -
They don't like the style, the story, the themepark, the WoW-like ease of access etc.
Or, to put it simply, there is NOTHING wrong with the game in terms of design/polish/functionality - it's just not their "type of game."
Let that sink in...
The ONLY negatives are that some people subjectively do not like the game's style based upon their own feelings and opinions.
So that tells us logically that the game is freaking unbelievably awesome for people who like this type of game and know exactly what to expect in terms of play style and features.
That tells us that this game does not appeal to people who do not like/want this type of game, but that there are no real flaws or major issues (unlike WAR/STO/AION/AOC/etc. etc.)
TLDR:
If you want an orange, buy an orange. If you want an apple, buy an apple. If you don't like apples, don't buy an apple and complain it isn't an orange.
Agreed, especially with the last statement.
Yeah, nice post and a great assessment. Seeking out the leaks wouldn't have changed it either.
Never intended to play it....are you daft, Pony? I'm a huge SW fan and was pining for this game left and right. Until I got into beta. Then my MMORPG dreams of the next year crashed. Now I'm on a tightlipped course to correct any and all posts I ever made that helped hype this game, made all the more difficult due to the NDA. Jeez, you people just can't accept that someone might actually play the same games as you, even enjoy some of the same games and still not come to an agreement about at least 1 of those games. You may very well like this game when it hits, and I'm happy for you, truly. I, however, do not.
If anything, this experience has taught me a lesson. No matter how many videos I've watched, articles/interviews I've read, none of that matters until you play the game for a few weeks in the comfort of your home/gaming area.
I am sorry, elocke. I mistook you with someone else who had been playing a few hours in one beta weekend and trashing it here a month ago. So my assumption was uncalled for. I take it back.
Can't wait for the NDA to drop and read everyone's (long term) beta impressions to draw my conlusions. Also the negative ones.
Why? oh wait NDA can't tell you why..there is your first hint that something is wrong
O,o
I agree! Just mentioning the NDA says nothing about anything. Every MMORPG I've ever played had issues at launch. Now that might be a reason for some of you to avoid SWTOR. But I'm still not swayed.
All the information I have, which is more than what BioWare/EA wish I had, points to the fact that I'll probably enjoy the game. Sure I'm disappointed by the lack of playable species. And I'm not happy with the shoddy character creation (limited body types and no height adjustment). But if BioWare will just listen to its potential customers (and some of you here don't count) then they should be able to fix things.
Oh and I'm sure they'll be more motivated to do some of that "listening thing" once the subs dip below expectations.
"SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P"
Agreed, and well said.
You know I have to ask what is the reasoning behind this, I see all of these doom and gloomers saying stuff like this yet they never give a single reason as to the why of it, yet it's well said? No well said means a point is explained, there's proper reasoning given, there's an overall reason besides blind pessimism.
We can't say yet, sheesh. Every hear of NDA? I wish I could explain why I don't like the game in detail, but I have to wait. I can say it has NOTHING to do with the game type or artstyle. I love themeparks, sandboxes, hybrids. I don't like....bah, I can't say yet. So, just because someone says they will like it or not like it, don't assume they haven't played it to come to their opinion.
So I take it you have cancelled your preorder or are going to?
Nah he probably never even intended to play it anyway. I bet his exposure to the beta was as intensive as my exposure to the radiation from the Fukushima meltdown.
Never intended to play it....are you daft, Pony? I'm a huge SW fan and was pining for this game left and right. Until I got into beta. Then my MMORPG dreams of the next year crashed. Now I'm on a tightlipped course to correct any and all posts I ever made that helped hype this game, made all the more difficult due to the NDA. Jeez, you people just can't accept that someone might actually play the same games as you, even enjoy some of the same games and still not come to an agreement about at least 1 of those games. You may very well like this game when it hits, and I'm happy for you, truly. I, however, do not.
If anything, this experience has taught me a lesson. No matter how many videos I've watched, articles/interviews I've read, none of that matters until you play the game for a few weeks in the comfort of your home/gaming area.
You aren't alone : ( Same bloody boat wanted this game to be my new home, reason Im so depressed and angry even.
I am so sick of elves and dwarves and the rest of the fantasy crap. Loved SWG played for years, and had such high hopes
for this game. Still haven't been able to force myself to cancel my pre-order, keep hoping some miracle will happen to
make the game fun. Sadly this game MUST go GOLD master very soon if they have any chance of making 12/20
distribution, that being said they are just out of time for a miracle to save them. : (
Just to add some balance to the force, ahem discussion, there have been several testers on these forums who state they are in beta and they absolutely love the game.
Everyone worried about the effect TOR will have on WoW will point to the NDA not being lifted inspite of the fact that very few mmos lift the NDA untill a month before . There will be worried fans that will spread negative feedback saying they have been in the beta when they have not . At the end of the day when its released the finnished product will decide . All the trolling will do is maybe lead a few thousand people to cancel thier pre-orders . A splash in the ocean given that its already outsold WoW Vanilla . I've not played it so I cant defend it or deny it . I just go by the company that produced it which in my view has never produced a bad game . The franchise which is the biggest ever and the amount of money spent on developing it which outstrips any other mmo . Yes it could be a turkey but its more likly to be a Blockbuster . And yes if your a WoW fan you probably do have something to worry about . Big time . Especially in the face of Panda-gate .
"SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P."
As for the comment above.. How do you know? and can I borrow your crystal ball.. I need to make some investments
Just like how do the fans know its going to be good? Its one of those things people toss out on both sides, and yet ironically they have no clue themselves. Double standerds ftw!
As far as what is shown, its just a game that is heavily story driven (which can be good being new, though it can tire out quickly for many people, sorry to say) while sacrificing gameplay for story. We all know from what is released the gameplay is far from revolutionary. The two biggest selling points is Star Wars (lets face it, you can put a star wars logo on a rusty old van down by the river, and people would spend thousands on it) and bioware. Without those, this game would be pretty much pushed to the side and not even be held at the level it is held today. It doesn't mean it is a bad game if it was, it just means its hype is being over exagerated by those two 'fortune telling' factors that it will be good.
Now, how we recieve it despite its know pros/cons, thats to be seen when we actually get a chance to play it. It might be a glorious gem of revolation, or it might be a stinking turd. Only time can tell when its released and what each persons opinion is.
If poeple would look at all games as "it's just a game" rather than all the expectations they put upon them, they would be happier. Except for the haters.
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SW:TOR is going to be another one of those games where you scratch your head and wonder why you bought it several weeks after release. Wait a year and try it when it goes F2P.
You will probably have to wait a full decade for it to become a free to play.
Less than one year, based totally and completely upon the recent investor reports EA themselves have posted.
EA themselves say the direction they are taking the game is tons of DLC paid content, and an in game item mall, on top of a monthly subscription. Plus they are in love with their " Origin " system and plan to force us to use it for the DLC content.
I do not care how much someone may like the game soon as they realize EA's intent is to bleed them dry on DLC's and a cash shop, ppl will be raising all kinds of hell and leaving in droves.
Not to mention how they intend to reduce staff and outsource the remaining Bioware developers to china.
EA is going to kill the game and the sad part is, because they own Bioware, it's not like Bioware can do anything to stop it.
You read that report well didn't you? Where exactly did they say that was the direction they were taking SWTOR in? Find the quotes please, because I can't. While they did stat that's the direction games are going, and they're going to pursue it, you're reading way too much into it.
Oh, and if they're reducing Bioware staff, and sending Bioware to China, why are they opening a new studio - and it's not in China ;P?
Just to add some balance to the force, ahem discussion, there have been several testers on these forums who state they are in beta and they absolutely love the game.
Grains of salt.. take them with.
^^ Exactly this. Some like, some don't.
However, the annoying smugness of some of the posters here, the ones who are NDA-bound and dislike the game, is pretty low-brow. Its the sort of attitude where "I know something you don't, and if you knew (but I can't talk about it) then you'd see the glaring truth and be swayed by my brilliant argument". No..the only thing we're seeing is a pre-teen level of hubris that makes your stance even weaker.
Its still an opinion. No matter what you know but can't share due to the NDA, its simply your perspective, not an absolute gospel. Lots of people like the game but can't share the details either. To each their own.
You are going to have both positive and negative views regarding everything in life. There are people who loved the changes from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2. There are others who think the changes were bad. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. When the NDA drops, there will be hundreds of Blogs going up in public space about the game. This does not include the two million or so estimated preorders atm, who many will post about the game. Btw, traditional preorder vs final sale is usually greater than 1 to 3. Star Wars the Old Republic will have a lot of different opinions.
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Are you worried with something mate?
Or are you wishing something?
Affraid that your favourite released or to be release mmo will be empty?
Why that behaviour if you are so confident that SWTOR will be a failure?
why do you guys keep feeding gw2 fanbois...
This is finally going to be the quality monthly sub MMO that we have all been waiting for. If you really belive that it is going to go F2P, then you are retarded!
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Lifting NDA would be good? No, not if you had the chance of seeing what happened during the betas of Rift. What seemed to be a good thing then, looking back it was the worst decision they could have made. The best Rift I played was Beta2, then... the open Betas became popular, Infos were spread all around, and the morons took over.
This was on of my worst MMO-experiences, seeing people cry so loud that Trion gave in and ruined the game by reducing the challenges ... oh how I loved that you had to be afraid of logging out at the wrong place, because there could be an invasion on login, and in early beta days those were a guaranteed kick to the graveyard.
So, please, Bioware, don't ever lift the NDA!! People will cry and yell and laugh and cheer anyway. So stay focused as long as you can on your decisions, the apple/oranges-morons will be there soon enough anyway.
Quality/Success/Appeal = To Be Determined.
Everything else is speculation, hype, fanboi/trollism or viral marketing (either for or against). Unless you happen to be in beta...in which case good for you...but you probably shouldn't be commenting publicaly yet.
I won't be playing because:
A) From what the Dev's, themselves, have said about thier design goals...it's really not the type of game I'm interested in.
This is said for every MMO that is coming out about how great it will be etc. Time and time again we get proved wrong and then say it about the next MMO and the next but they never take off. Here is to hoping THIS is it but I am not banking on it just from how the past has been. We will know the state of the game 30, 60 and 90 days after release. Hopefully it is at an increase of people because eventually one of these MMO's will finally be it.
Ohh...they'll add more of your single-player and CORPG content.
But not massively-multiplayer features that place players at the hub of influential, cooperative and competitive game-play,which makes for "massively-multiplayer", other than the chat-box.
If they iron-out Ilum, which many have remarked concerns about it being nothing more than WoW's Wintergrasp, the game is still 80% single-player and 4-player cooperative dungeons or 8 v 8 repeatable shoe-box cage matches, versus 20% massively-multiplayer, of which there has been no tangible video game-play revealson. /shrugs
I might be crazy but all i xpect from this game is a standard MMO, with a good story..
But i really doubt its going f2p with 24 months. They seem to a lot of flashpoints, and my only doubt about this game has been washed away with the other mmo news here. That they have made flashpoints that doesnt have too much story but more like WoW dungeons
I wish people would stop assuming how the game is or how good the game is. Wait for launch then either A: come back here and complain about swtor or B: play the game and enjoy it for what it is, no one likes assumptions {mod edit}
Why does everyone think when the story is over the game is over? To be honest I could care less about the story. I just want to play the game, I usually don't pay attention to the story more than once and if it is too long I will just spam click through it since I would rather play then have a story told to me.
There are a lot of people playing that the story won't bother them if it slows down at max level. There are also thousands of people who are going to be playing just like me that the story isn't going to be an issue. In the end it is game play that matters. I am not knocking the story at all from what I have seen it is done really well but I don't want to be stuck for 10 minutes watching something.
So let's say I love MMO that aren't Sandbox, does that mean I will love the new digimon online game ? No, not at all. Your logic fail.
If you like Star wars in general, you might like the game, otherwise it will just be a sci-fi game.
Why do you compare number of a haters from a game to another ? When the playerbase of WoW would most likely be like 4-5 time the player base of SWTOR. It's normal that you have more troll and stupid people when there's more people.
Exepct that SWTOR might not even be an AAA games. AAA games aren't only about the number of dollars they put in the games.
And if they really spend 150M in the game, I wish they could have put more money into the the graphic and combat, which both sucks for a game released in 2011-2012, instead of Voice Acting.
That's the first post I've ever read from you Badspock where I actually agree with you. Tone is soooo hard to convey and tends to make forum discussions go all kinds of crazy ways.
Rofl, nice. I noticed this too, here of late. It's like people have a really hard time with anti opinions.
Less than one year, based totally and completely upon the recent investor reports EA themselves have posted.
EA themselves say the direction they are taking the game is tons of DLC paid content, and an in game item mall, on top of a monthly subscription. Plus they are in love with their " Origin " system and plan to force us to use it for the DLC content.
I do not care how much someone may like the game soon as they realize EA's intent is to bleed them dry on DLC's and a cash shop, ppl will be raising all kinds of hell and leaving in droves.
Not to mention how they intend to reduce staff and outsource the remaining Bioware developers to china.
EA is going to kill the game and the sad part is, because they own Bioware, it's not like Bioware can do anything to stop it.
Agreed, especially with the last statement.
Yeah, nice post and a great assessment. Seeking out the leaks wouldn't have changed it either.
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I am sorry, elocke. I mistook you with someone else who had been playing a few hours in one beta weekend and trashing it here a month ago. So my assumption was uncalled for. I take it back.
Can't wait for the NDA to drop and read everyone's (long term) beta impressions to draw my conlusions. Also the negative ones.
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I agree! Just mentioning the NDA says nothing about anything. Every MMORPG I've ever played had issues at launch. Now that might be a reason for some of you to avoid SWTOR. But I'm still not swayed.
All the information I have, which is more than what BioWare/EA wish I had, points to the fact that I'll probably enjoy the game. Sure I'm disappointed by the lack of playable species. And I'm not happy with the shoddy character creation (limited body types and no height adjustment). But if BioWare will just listen to its potential customers (and some of you here don't count) then they should be able to fix things.
Oh and I'm sure they'll be more motivated to do some of that "listening thing" once the subs dip below expectations.
You aren't alone : ( Same bloody boat wanted this game to be my new home, reason Im so depressed and angry even.
I am so sick of elves and dwarves and the rest of the fantasy crap. Loved SWG played for years, and had such high hopes
for this game. Still haven't been able to force myself to cancel my pre-order, keep hoping some miracle will happen to
make the game fun. Sadly this game MUST go GOLD master very soon if they have any chance of making 12/20
distribution, that being said they are just out of time for a miracle to save them. : (
Just to add some balance to the force, ahem discussion, there have been several testers on these forums who state they are in beta and they absolutely love the game.
Grains of salt.. take them with.
Everyone worried about the effect TOR will have on WoW will point to the NDA not being lifted inspite of the fact that very few mmos lift the NDA untill a month before . There will be worried fans that will spread negative feedback saying they have been in the beta when they have not . At the end of the day when its released the finnished product will decide . All the trolling will do is maybe lead a few thousand people to cancel thier pre-orders . A splash in the ocean given that its already outsold WoW Vanilla . I've not played it so I cant defend it or deny it . I just go by the company that produced it which in my view has never produced a bad game . The franchise which is the biggest ever and the amount of money spent on developing it which outstrips any other mmo . Yes it could be a turkey but its more likly to be a Blockbuster . And yes if your a WoW fan you probably do have something to worry about . Big time . Especially in the face of Panda-gate .
If poeple would look at all games as "it's just a game" rather than all the expectations they put upon them, they would be happier. Except for the haters.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
You read that report well didn't you? Where exactly did they say that was the direction they were taking SWTOR in? Find the quotes please, because I can't. While they did stat that's the direction games are going, and they're going to pursue it, you're reading way too much into it.
Oh, and if they're reducing Bioware staff, and sending Bioware to China, why are they opening a new studio - and it's not in China ;P?
^^ Exactly this. Some like, some don't.
However, the annoying smugness of some of the posters here, the ones who are NDA-bound and dislike the game, is pretty low-brow. Its the sort of attitude where "I know something you don't, and if you knew (but I can't talk about it) then you'd see the glaring truth and be swayed by my brilliant argument". No..the only thing we're seeing is a pre-teen level of hubris that makes your stance even weaker.
Its still an opinion. No matter what you know but can't share due to the NDA, its simply your perspective, not an absolute gospel. Lots of people like the game but can't share the details either. To each their own.
You are going to have both positive and negative views regarding everything in life. There are people who loved the changes from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2. There are others who think the changes were bad. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. When the NDA drops, there will be hundreds of Blogs going up in public space about the game. This does not include the two million or so estimated preorders atm, who many will post about the game. Btw, traditional preorder vs final sale is usually greater than 1 to 3. Star Wars the Old Republic will have a lot of different opinions.