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New Name is Penitentiary State now
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KillerTwinkie - That one guy who used to mod mmorpg.com's forums.
Sandusky.. jail.
The President and the Athletic Director.. maybe, but probably at the worst a plea and no-jail time only probabation.
For Paterno and the red-headed assistant who saw the rape.. no jail at all. According to Pennsylvania law, all they had to do legally was tell someone "above" them in the workplace and they were covered.
Pennsylvania law does not require you do call the police if you see a crime in that situation, which needs to be changed because it allowed this guy to molest kids over a decade.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Ahh, yes... Hindsight is 20/20.
The problem with the "moral" way is that if Paterno was wrong, there's a little thing called "Defamation of Character" lawsuit he would've been thrown into. Then, people would've been complaining about how poor of on character Paterno had for defaming an ex-Penn State coach if Sandusky wasn't molesting children.
See... Hindsight is truly 20/20. People DON'T think about the potential consequences, at the time, if Paterno had done the "moral" method. They do not step into his shoes at that time. No, it's just easier for the mob to assume he's evil because he "could've" (which is NOT a guarantee that it would've) prevented the child molestation. Yet, 99% of the people, if placed in the very same situation, would've done the exact same thing as Paterno due to fear of being wrong. Remember, Paterno did not see the incident. He was taking the word of an individual with far less history with Paterno than Sandusky.
And, before you jump up and down and spew stuff about Paterno, we only have what the grand jury statements says. Which, in fact, is not damning to Paterno. He did what was required by law... yet he is being demonized for it... because people find that method easier than actually stepping into his shoes.
I am not condoning what SANDUSKY did. No. That was vile and he will become a snitch in jail to save what he did from the other inmates. If it ever got out.... he wouldn't survive long. As to the two that received the reports from Paterno and others and did nothing.... well, they'll be going to jail as well. No sane Prosecuting Lawyer would take a plea from them when the evidence is so overwhealming against them. And, since the heinousness of their crimes (because they could've prevented further child molestation), the judge should throw the book at them with the harshest penalties allowed by law.
However, again, this demonization of Paterno for what he didn't do is the easy way out for the mob. Because it's much harder to actually step into his shoes and know that you, far more likely, would've done the same as Paterno when faced with the far worse possible consequences if Paterno was wrong.
You need to read the report which you clearly didn't.
If you did you wouldn't be defending such filth which you are, despite your protests.
Defamation of character? That's the best you have? Paterno is THE man at Penn State; has been for decades. What he says goes.
No way that if Paterno says "I don't want a child molester around", that Sandusky is even allowed on campus.
Paterno is flat wrong and a moral coward. You know it, he knows it, and now America knows it. This school will be a laughingstock for years to come. If I was a parent of a football player getting offers from all around the country, guess which school my kid DOESN'T go to now? You think any parent will want to subject their child to this mess, shame and ridicule they know their kids will get putting on the "blue and white"?
Since Paterno is legally off the hook, all we have left to do is "judge" him and I will. He needs to be judged, not let off scot-free as a tacit accomplice for a decade of child molesting.
I don't want to hear about "hindsight". Paterno had over TEN YEARS of hindsight. At ANY time since he found out, he could have told the police. At. Any. Time. It's not like the kids got raped in the shower by a lecherous nasty pedo and it's now too late to do anything. It's a CRIME. Paterno had a moral responsibility to report this guy to the cops after he found out Sandusky was still running around on the campus with kids in that 'organization'. (which he knew)
Paterno talked a lot about "responsibility", "honor", "dignity" and "manhood" to players for over 50 years, yet when he was tested.. he showed none, for over ten years.
That's not hindsight, that's cowardice.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
1. paterno knew YEARS ago. In the time it takes an embryo to reach a 10 year old child, Paterno could have went to the P O L I C E and told them what he knew. He chose not to.
That's cowardice. Or collaboration. Or covering-up. It's as simple as that.
If someone raped your child ten years ago, and you found out that at any time Joe Paterno could have went to the police and reported it afterwards but didn't.. for over a TEN year period... not even KNOWING or caring what your child's name was who got raped...
are you telling everyone that you're perfectly fine with "Well, Paterno told his boss so that's good enough for me"? Really?
"TO MICHAEL!"
But even moreso, it defies logic.
If a assistant came to him and said "Hey Boss, I saw the head coordinator diddling a little ten-year old boy in the locker room shower", you think that Paterno's "best response is", okay "I'll tell my boss", then be done with it? Something that serious that happened on his watch?
Paterno is NOT facing a lawsuit. Right now, I could go to the police and say "I think Vato was diddling boys, at least that's what my assistant told me" and the police would take my statement and investigate.
If it was found Vato did no such thing, that's the end of it. Period. There is NO grounds for a lawsuit by you. I was told something and I reported that a potentially serious crime happened to the police, that's all. Let me take it a step futher so you can understand maybe easier (I hope):
Vato, you are at work where you are the key supervisor. Nothing goes on without your say so. The boss trusts you beyond question because you worked there 50 years. You are The Man.
A assistant comes up to you and says "Hey Vato, guess what I just saw? I saw the foreman you have running the West loading dock last night. He was drunk and he ran some old lady over with the forklift in the backlot. I'm pretty sure she's dead but I left because I was scared. No one knows about it because the lady got knocked into a ditch down a drainage pipe and you can't see the body from the street."
What does Vato do? Will you just say "Ok, I'll report it to my boss" and be done with it? Or do you call the police about what you just heard? Or do you insist the subordinate call the police and say "My hands are clean"?
Calling the police does not get you a lawsuit. All that happens is you are reporting what someone under you told you officially. Someone cannot sue someone for defamation over that, and that's a murder accusation. Child molestation is hardly murder so why wouldn't you report that?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Seriously, I'm done. You have done nothing to actually refute my claims, except to try to insult me, make outlandish and emotion-filled claims, and going off topic. Add to that, you do not even understand the laws you are talking about. It's clear your emotions are overriding your rationalism.
I bartend, and I have to put up with this shit all day, I'm over it.
The claim about Defamation of Character is ridiculous. It is not slander or defamation to report to the police that you think the commission of a crime has been committed, lol. That isn't even logical or NO ONE would call the police with tips or hints. That's one of the silliest defenses of Joe Paterno I've seen so far from students, and they come up with some crazy ones.
But just to show you have been rebutted but haven't been paying attention at all, here is a situation I'm talking about. You should read it:
Statements in police report can't support defamation claim against complainant
In short and to REPEAT, reporting something to the authorities generally will not lead to a lawsuit. Someone would have to prove that you were malicious and that your complaint intentionally caused them harm.
Paterno was reporting a FACT. That fact was his assistant told him he witnessed a CRIME. Paterno reported it to his job already, which meant he OBVIOUSLY wasn't concerned about a defamation of character suit because he REPEATED what he heard.
If you can tell your boss that you WORK with that an underling is accused of sodomy on a 10 year old boy in your team's shower without fear of a lawsuit, then you certainly can tell the authorities the same exact thing.
Good day.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Again, you have refuted none of my statements. And, it's apparent that your future attempts will yield the same results. Therefore, this is officially my final report on this thread as nothing further will come from this thread.
As High profile as this case is becoming in the National news ,as well as the time and length of coverup and who knows how many children were assaulted ,I suspect both the DA as well as the NCAA to make examples of all those involved .Once Authorities have gotten everyone responsible they can,the NCAA will take over and start handing out punishment .The University will have to cut deep their losses to even keep just an inkling of credibility
At least someone gets it. Thanks for being a human being.
The thing at stake here is the kids. 10 year old boys, half of which wouldn't have even been FURTHER abused or abused at all if Paterno had simply went to the cops, which he cowardly didn't do.
Arguing that he was worried he was going to get "sued for defamation" is just incorrect. To any people out there, if you suspect some adult is molesting ANY children, please do the right thing unlike other people have done in this case. Or at the very least do not try and cover-up what you know or think you know.
There is NO shame in erring in the defense of a 10 year old child or any child for that matter. If the investigations to the police or at the VERY LEAST, a child protective service find no abuse... good. At least you've done your duty for humanity's sake.
But please to not cower behind some "fear of a lawsuit" that allows abuse. This went on in the Catholic church for years and we see what that got us, now it's in major college institutions.
For the children's sake, please report these things.
"TO MICHAEL!"
The problem is that some people don't realize how bad this is.Child molestation is a Lifetime Death sentence on the childs Pschology and if left untreated can spread to others if the child growing up to an adult doesn't seek counseling after this happens.Its no different than a Plague.The assaulted child has a good possibility of growing up as a molester as well.
Personally I feel if you molest a child ,the prison sentence should be very long,maybe even LIfe sentence with no possibility of parole.Yes I know that sounds harsh to many but this left untreated is almost like murder of a societys future IMHO.
The reason they have to have their own jail is two reasons. One, this happens a LOT but victims or cowards like Paterno and the other Penn State staff didn't say anything allows the molester runs free because no one believes the child (Jerry Sandusky? You mean the Head Defensive coordinator under Joe Pa? No way!) without witnesses. So many victims as you say, grow up, have problems and end up in jail themselves.
Two, these guys would be killed on site in the general population. Not because they are weaker or mostly White or whatever. It's because even amongst the most vile, depraved, callous and psychotic murderers alive, there is a common understanding that child molesting is the WORST crime someone can commit. There simply isn't any excuse for it or even fixing that kind of sickness.
People who think this way cannot be helped and should be put down like dogs. What amazes me is it's kind of trivialized by people saying things like "Show us where EA touched you" on forums like this without realizing that yeah, it's that's serious of an issue.
The shocking thing in all of this is Joe Paterno had his own kids. Paterno even has grandkids and I bet if someone diddled his grandkids, he'd be the first in line talking about what a failure people were who didn't report it, yet people are defending this type of moral cowardice. Paterno had many years at which any time, he could have came forward. He chose to protect his buddy, his school, his football program and his own salary and washed his hands of these children like Pontius Pilate washing his hands.
"TO MICHAEL!"
"TO MICHAEL!"
If any good comes from this, I hope it is to shed more light on the actual facts of child molestation. There is a stereotype all too commonly accepted, that a child molester is a creepy guy who drives around in a van with no windows and tries to grab kids off the street. While these types do unfortunately exist, they are actually rare. The most usual type of child molester knows their victim personally, and uses their position of authority (be it from being an adult, or the position of their job as a priest or coach or teacher or whatever) to pursue their victim and ensure the child's silence.
Disturbingly, modern psychiatry does not have an effective means to control such behavior. Statistically, a sexual predator will continue to commit their crime regardless of past legal intervention. Even chemically castrated sex offenders are known to continue their behavior. It is for this reason that so many restraints are placed on released sex offenders.
You find a disproportionate amount of White men in sex offender jails, but not as many minorities while the more "violent" jails are reversed.
Just like to know the average job like priest, judge, cop, lawyer, etc.
"TO MICHAEL!"