Being banned from the forum is fair enough but being banned from the game is a complete joke. The person paid for those games on origin, how can EA ban them from playing what they have already paid for. i would expect a full refund of my money.
Ofcourse they can ban from the game without no refunds regardless what they have paid for.
What some cant get is that the moment they accept the rules of the game they give up their own right to decide what is right or wrong.
If there is someone that can´t accept that, then dont play. It is simple as that. Usually the terms will be something like this "we reserve the right to terminate the account without any refunds if a violation has occured with the account", and a violation will ofcourse be all media involved with the game regardless if it is the game itself or forum.
Simple as that.
It's called free speech. unless you wanted to end up like china where nobel prize winner or any opposition get house arrest for talking their mind.
Free speech isn't what everyone would like to believe it is. If it was, we would have no need for the FCC, MPAA, etc. You have the right to say anything you want, just be preped to deal with the consequences of what you say.
The problem is people are not just banned from forums because of their behaviour.
Recently, I took a moderator to task in a private PM about some of his comments and behaviour towards a poster over on one of the EA forums, comments and behaviour that would have seen him banned were he not a mod. The next thing I knew I had a forum ban from this same person who was clearly on some sort of power trip, mistakenly believing his new status as a mod conferred immunity from the TOS he was supposed to enforce.
Long story short, after some too 'ing and fro 'ing with emails to EA, he was reported with accompanying evidence, his mod status revoked, my ban lifted with a personal apology from the person in question and from the head of ea support. Had my ban prevented me accessing any of my titles even for a minute I would have been utterly furious, and quite rightly too.
It is wrong to assume everyone who gets a ban is deserving of it, clearly most, or at least many are, but moderators are people too and many are simply volunteers drawn from the fan base. With that comes personality clashes, personal vendetta's and human error, and once in a while people who really should not be banned are, even if only temporarily.
My Colour Is Vomit green, I puke on the tards with stupid colour sigs. My symbol is ,,!, O ,!,, My enemies are any prat with a colour sig, a meaningless personality test, or a pointless list of games and classes.
The problem is people are not just banned from forums because of their behaviour.
Recently, I took a moderator to task in a private PM about some of his comments and behaviour towards a poster over on one of the EA forums, comments and behaviour that would have seen him banned were he not a mod. The next thing I knew I had a forum ban from this same person who was clearly on some sort of power trip, mistakenly believing his new status as a mod conferred immunity from the TOS he was supposed to enforce.
Long story short, after some too 'ing and fro 'ing with emails to EA, he was reported with accompanying evidence, his mod status revoked, my ban lifted with a personal apology from the person in question and from the head of ea support. Had my ban prevented me accessing any of my titles even for a minute I would have been utterly furious, and quite rightly too.
It is wrong to assume everyone who gets a ban is deserving of it, clearly most, or at least many are, but moderators are people too and many are simply volunteers drawn from the fan base. With that comes personality clashes, personal vendetta's and human error, and once in a while people who really should not be banned are, even if only temporarily.
I'm not sure if it was your intention or not, with that you basically proved the OP wrong, as he's making it seem as though any ban will result in a lack of access to your games.
I don't think anyone is assuming every ban is legit, far from it actually. At the same time it's wrong to assume everyone is innocent as well.
After reading the article's again it seems as though these people may have repeat offenses. If that's the case I can't have symapthy for those who don't learn or don't care enough to change their tone or habits.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I like heavy-handed moderation. People take far too many liberties in how they communicate to others on the Internet, so if someone is being a "bad aple", I'm all in favor of removing them from active forum use for short/long/permenant durations.
However, banning players from a game is a bit more serious at is has a financial impact on the gaming company. I can't imagine the management team for SWTOR is looking to decrease day one sales based on people making inappropriate comments on the forums; they want their money.
The problem is people are not just banned from forums because of their behaviour.
Recently, I took a moderator to task in a private PM about some of his comments and behaviour towards a poster over on one of the EA forums, comments and behaviour that would have seen him banned were he not a mod. The next thing I knew I had a forum ban from this same person who was clearly on some sort of power trip, mistakenly believing his new status as a mod conferred immunity from the TOS he was supposed to enforce.
Long story short, after some too 'ing and fro 'ing with emails to EA, he was reported with accompanying evidence, his mod status revoked, my ban lifted with a personal apology from the person in question and from the head of ea support. Had my ban prevented me accessing any of my titles even for a minute I would have been utterly furious, and quite rightly too.
It is wrong to assume everyone who gets a ban is deserving of it, clearly most, or at least many are, but moderators are people too and many are simply volunteers drawn from the fan base. With that comes personality clashes, personal vendetta's and human error, and once in a while people who really should not be banned are, even if only temporarily.
We all know that this can and does happen. It's why Blizzard doesn't have actual volunteer mods any more and most games have moved from volunteer GM's (SOE still uses volunteer mods to some degree I think) to paid community members.
To me, this presents a form of natural selection of a different sort... It's a mod that won't be there very long.
No one has assumed that every person receiving a ban is deserving of it. As long as a process or system exists there will be failures in it. That said, the majority who get banned will most likely have well earned it.
To me, it's a very small issue... I post like I drive.
Don't post mad. Don't post drunk. Respect the process and the other posters.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
For anyone supporting EA banning people from the games they've paid for due to behaviour on a free forum, just imagine you getting yourself banned inadvertantly for something that was borderline bad, or worse, completely misconstrued, then having to wait for your appeal to be recognized, all the while being unable to play anything from Origin, like, say ... SWTOR.
How long would be an acceptable wait for you? 24hrs? 48? 72? I mean, this is EA customer support we're talking about. How does a week or two sound? They aren't exactly known for putting the customer first or timely responses, or even any semblance of competence for that matter. When would you start to think that maybe this is beginning to suck some serious ass? On top of that, what if this was cutting in on the time you've paid for through a subscription? Going to ask for a refund? From EA? Good luck with that.
Think this through folks. It's damned stupid to ban people from playing a game for an offense that took place outside of that game. If they are stirring up trouble in the forum, ban them from the forum. If they are causing trouble in the game, ban them from the game. This heavyhanded crap is something I expect from EA. This rush to justify it is something I wouldn't have expected from gamers.
We all hate trolls and griefers (those of us who aren't one or the other, at least), but let the punishment fit the crime.
Better yet, why not have your own opinion and I'll keep mine?
Nice try, but taking umbrage doesn't invalidate my point. I wonder how firmly you'd be clinging to that opinion, were you to find yourself in the situation I described.
Its a stupid system, i for one will avoid origin at all costs.
If steam ran on that policy i would scrap that one also as i have 50+ games there. I couldt care less if they banned me from one game but that they can ban all your games based on one forum action is absurd.
Until EA change this policy there is no point building a game list with em.
Simple solution: Avoid Origin and everything to do with it. Origin is crap people, just avoid that piece of crap service, it's just not worth it.
People SHOULD get banned from forums for racist, sexist, and any number of shitty comments they can make. I personally do not want to post in a forum with people making comments like that. However, banning them from playing games they bought and paid for is just wrong. There's no reason to do that unless the company wants to be heavy handed and authoritarian with their games.
Very much this.
Doesn't matter how much of an idiot someone is being on a forum; that's not an excuse to strip them of things they've purchased.
Schadenfreude is not an adequate justification for anything; and especially not the vicious glee some people have at the prospect of people who're mean to them losing things they've purchased.
Forum bans are perfectly acceptable for behaviour on forums. Game bans are not.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
The whole problem I have here outside of my opinion that some forum bans should go across the board of the entire service. Is that the articles in question aren't very thorough in the information they're giving the reader, much is left to blind faith and conjecture. Such as the segment I quoted a few posts prior. The articles seem to be more about sticking it to the man, rather than objectively looking at the situation. The entire motivation of the Op seems that way to me as well.
As a poster said just a few entries ago, he was banned yet he didn't get banned from his games. Which says there's more to this story than the OP or RPSG are putting out.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Nothing EA does would make me think any less of them, they've already reached the bottom years ago. Swtor has also proved to be a POS long time ago, so nothing of value is lost here. In fact, I'll throw a party the day EA goes out of business.
Better yet, why not have your own opinion and I'll keep mine?
Nice try, but taking umbrage doesn't invalidate my point. I wonder how firmly you'd be clinging to that opinion, were you to find yourself in the situation I described.
I didn't attempt to invalidate your point, I simply said I'll stick to my own opinion and you can have yours. Your point didn't change my stance what so ever.
Besides, it would be hard to be in that situation when you do not post on official forums. The only Oboard I will post on is a testing forum where I don't shoot the chit, I post according to the feedback the devs are asking for and leave it at that. Which I am always polite in the manner in which i do so, I think I'm safe from that circumstance.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's just bad business practice. It's akin to being banned from your airline flight because you said something obnoxious to another customer in the airport lobby.
You have to accept the TOS in order to make an account, so it is your responsibility to know that the TOS are. If you choose to not read it and get banned for breaking it that is your fault, not EA's. In my personal opinion there is far too little acountability on the internet in general so I like this idea.
It's just bad business practice. It's akin to being banned from your airline flight because you said something obnoxious to another customer in the airport lobby.
If that something was "I have a bomb and will blow the plane up" it wouldn't be so rediculas now would it? Hyperbole is fun ain't it?
It's just bad business practice. It's akin to being banned from your airline flight because you said something obnoxious to another customer in the airport lobby.
If that something was "I have a bomb and will blow the plane up" it wouldn't be so rediculas now would it? Hyperbole is fun ain't it?
That would be warrented but if it was one person saying to another "Hey peckerhead stop being a dick" then yea it would be idiotic. Oh and yes Hyperbole is awesome fun.
As to the EA bans its simply stupid. That said I never use game forums like when I played WoW or even forums like steams forums except to get usefull information. I just simply do not post on them outside of tech support or suggestion forums. There just isnt any point to general forums ect unless you are looking for patch notes or dev posts about important game information.
I would avoid using an EA forum, period. I would be very unlikely to use one anyway, but something like this would make me avoid them entirely. Not so much because of the harshness of the punishment, but because they don't seem to have any idea what they are doing, and haven't for months. Not only that, they don't seem to want any of their customers to have any idea what they're doing, why they are doing it or what the rules are.
I don't think this is the case on the Bioware SW:ToR forums. I'm pretty sure I've seen unsafe swear words, even wizard swear words on those forums, and those posters don't get banned. Plus it appears that SW and Origin are separate entities.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I'm not sure if it was your intention or not, with that you basically proved the OP wrong, as he's making it seem as though any ban will result in a lack of access to your games.
I don't think anyone is assuming every ban is legit, far from it actually. At the same time it's wrong to assume everyone is innocent as well.
After reading the article's again it seems as though these people may have repeat offenses. If that's the case I can't have symapthy for those who don't learn or don't care enough to change their tone or habits.
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Personally I agree with Distopia. Anyone that actually understands how EA/Bioware Forums work would understand that it's all based on a number of infractions (you are warned up to 5 times on Bioware's forums before being suspended/banned).
Also as a side note, insulting others because they don't share your viewpoint really just shows immaturity and a lack of basic manners.
Personally I agree with Distopia. Anyone that actually understands how EA/Bioware Forums work would understand that it's all based on a number of infractions (you are warned up to 5 times on Bioware's forums before being suspended/banned).
Also as a side note, insulting others because they don't share your viewpoint really just shows immaturity and a lack of basic manners.
Personally I agree with Distopia. Anyone that actually understands how EA/Bioware Forums work would understand that it's all based on a number of infractions (you are warned up to 5 times on Bioware's forums before being suspended/banned).
Also as a side note, insulting others because they don't share your viewpoint really just shows immaturity and a lack of basic manners.
You agree with him despite the fact he is, quite blatantly, completely wrong.
I see.
As a side note, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me, the issue here is people who refuse to educate themselves agreeing with me.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
No disrespect intended...
This logic is flawed.
Let me give a parrallel example: Cars
People own cars. The government does not provide them to taxpayers simply because they pay taxes.
They do, however, provide the roads we all drive on.
If someone is caught drunk driving ( we can use any gross traffic violation), they run the risk of losing that car.
The logic posed in your post would suggest that because people own a car and are a taxpayer they can do what they want in it without fear of universal consequence related to their misdeeds.
We know this to be untrue.
This is because ownership (or patronage) conveys a certain level of responsibilty. Misdeeds of this type do not just present potential liability to the offender but to everyone else.
i.e. Your actions/ comments create liability for others.
I will never understand why so many people gnash their teeth at the idea that they must act responsibly in their dealings with others or face consequences.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
No disrespect intended...
This logic is flawed.
Let me give a parrallel example: Cars
People own cars. The government does not provide them to taxpayers simply because they pay taxes.
They do, however, provide the roads we all drive on.
If someone is caught drunk driving ( we can use any gross traffic violation), they run the risk of losing that car.
The logic posed in your post would suggest that because people own a car and are a taxpayer they can do what they want in it without fear of universal consequence related to their misdeeds.
We know this to be untrue.
This is because ownership (or patronage) conveys a certain level of responsibilty. Misdeeds of this type do not just present potential liability to the offender but to everyone else.
i.e. Your actions/ comments create liability for others.
I will never understand why so many people gnash their teeth at the idea that they must act responsibly in their dealings with others or face consequences.
It's sad.
Fail example: There's a difference between civil and government issues. Dealings with corporations are civil issues.
You agree with him despite the fact he is, quite blatantly, completely wrong.
I see.
As a side note, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me, the issue here is people who refuse to educate themselves agreeing with me.
Educate myself on what? I read the links, the whole presentation of these bans is based on heresay that RPSG has been gathering from users. There's no fact checking involved on their end, they don't have the history of those who have been banned all they're doing is taking them at their word, which is horrible jounalism.
When the subject of said journalism can give a company a bad name, sites like that have a responsibility to make sure what they're saying is factual.
As to the subject of EA saying one thing and doing another, that's a different story. I have not stated one way or another what I feel about that, as I'm not sure. Because I have a hard time trusting the source due to the issues I described above..
The rest is opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and it doesn't make me disrespectful to carry that opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Personally I agree with Distopia. Anyone that actually understands how EA/Bioware Forums work would understand that it's all based on a number of infractions (you are warned up to 5 times on Bioware's forums before being suspended/banned).
Also as a side note, insulting others because they don't share your viewpoint really just shows immaturity and a lack of basic manners.
You agree with him despite the fact he is, quite blatantly, completely wrong.
I see.
As a side note, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me, the issue here is people who refuse to educate themselves agreeing with me.
Originally posted by ArEf
Originally posted by Distopia
I'm not sure if it was your intention or not, with that you basically proved the OP wrong, as he's making it seem as though any ban will result in a lack of access to your games.
I don't think anyone is assuming every ban is legit, far from it actually. At the same time it's wrong to assume everyone is innocent as well.
After reading the article's again it seems as though these people may have repeat offenses. If that's the case I can't have symapthy for those who don't learn or don't care enough to change their tone or habits.
But, no, you're disrespectful, uneducated and, worst of all, unwilling to educate yourself on the subject, instead spewing vile vomit in this thread in an attempt to prove yourself "right".
This has to be the biggest case of the pot calling the kettle I have ever seen.
If these two posts by you, apply to anyone in this thread, it is you, in every way.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
No disrespect intended...
This logic is flawed.
Let me give a parrallel example: Cars
People own cars. The government does not provide them to taxpayers simply because they pay taxes.
They do, however, provide the roads we all drive on.
If someone is caught drunk driving ( we can use any gross traffic violation), they run the risk of losing that car.
The logic posed in your post would suggest that because people own a car and are a taxpayer they can do what they want in it without fear of universal consequence related to their misdeeds.
We know this to be untrue.
This is because ownership (or patronage) conveys a certain level of responsibilty. Misdeeds of this type do not just present potential liability to the offender but to everyone else.
i.e. Your actions/ comments create liability for others.
I will never understand why so many people gnash their teeth at the idea that they must act responsibly in their dealings with others or face consequences.
It's sad.
Fail example: There's a difference between civil and government issues. Dealings with corporations are civil issues.
It's a great example for those with the wit to see the parrallel. Apologies you missed it.
Incidentally, the difference you are citing is the difference between a lawsuit for jail time and possible damages or a lawsuit for damages and possible jailtime.
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Free speech isn't what everyone would like to believe it is. If it was, we would have no need for the FCC, MPAA, etc. You have the right to say anything you want, just be preped to deal with the consequences of what you say.
The problem is people are not just banned from forums because of their behaviour.
Recently, I took a moderator to task in a private PM about some of his comments and behaviour towards a poster over on one of the EA forums, comments and behaviour that would have seen him banned were he not a mod. The next thing I knew I had a forum ban from this same person who was clearly on some sort of power trip, mistakenly believing his new status as a mod conferred immunity from the TOS he was supposed to enforce.
Long story short, after some too 'ing and fro 'ing with emails to EA, he was reported with accompanying evidence, his mod status revoked, my ban lifted with a personal apology from the person in question and from the head of ea support. Had my ban prevented me accessing any of my titles even for a minute I would have been utterly furious, and quite rightly too.
It is wrong to assume everyone who gets a ban is deserving of it, clearly most, or at least many are, but moderators are people too and many are simply volunteers drawn from the fan base. With that comes personality clashes, personal vendetta's and human error, and once in a while people who really should not be banned are, even if only temporarily.
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I'm not sure if it was your intention or not, with that you basically proved the OP wrong, as he's making it seem as though any ban will result in a lack of access to your games.
I don't think anyone is assuming every ban is legit, far from it actually. At the same time it's wrong to assume everyone is innocent as well.
After reading the article's again it seems as though these people may have repeat offenses. If that's the case I can't have symapthy for those who don't learn or don't care enough to change their tone or habits.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I like heavy-handed moderation. People take far too many liberties in how they communicate to others on the Internet, so if someone is being a "bad aple", I'm all in favor of removing them from active forum use for short/long/permenant durations.
However, banning players from a game is a bit more serious at is has a financial impact on the gaming company. I can't imagine the management team for SWTOR is looking to decrease day one sales based on people making inappropriate comments on the forums; they want their money.
We all know that this can and does happen. It's why Blizzard doesn't have actual volunteer mods any more and most games have moved from volunteer GM's (SOE still uses volunteer mods to some degree I think) to paid community members.
To me, this presents a form of natural selection of a different sort... It's a mod that won't be there very long.
No one has assumed that every person receiving a ban is deserving of it. As long as a process or system exists there will be failures in it. That said, the majority who get banned will most likely have well earned it.
To me, it's a very small issue... I post like I drive.
Don't post mad. Don't post drunk. Respect the process and the other posters.
It is funny how people misunderstand the OP. The OP isnt asking how not to get banned, It is of course obvious that if you dont misbehave you wont get banned. The OP is instead asking if it is ok if you get banned from the game if you misbehaved on the forums.
You pay for access of the game. So if misbehaving on the forums gets you banned for the same game, they should at least refund the money for the time you are banned from the game imo. I think it would be even better to not ban from the game at all for misbehaviour on the forums. Simply because it is so easy to already ban that person from the forums. Also banning from the game just adds unnecessary complications and an extra layer of penalty for which some kinds of misbehaviour on the forums is maybe not severe enough.
For example there is the problem that the interpretation of forum rules are rarely that black & white. Especially if it comes to responding to reports from other forummembers. It is too easy to ban a player and then after an appeal come to the conclusion that the ban was maybe too harsh. In the meantime that same player has been denied gametime for which he/she pays, or would that be reimbursed too?
I really think that forum and game should be treated seperatedly.
Nice try, but taking umbrage doesn't invalidate my point. I wonder how firmly you'd be clinging to that opinion, were you to find yourself in the situation I described.
Its a stupid system, i for one will avoid origin at all costs.
If steam ran on that policy i would scrap that one also as i have 50+ games there. I couldt care less if they banned me from one game but that they can ban all your games based on one forum action is absurd.
Until EA change this policy there is no point building a game list with em.
Very much this.
Doesn't matter how much of an idiot someone is being on a forum; that's not an excuse to strip them of things they've purchased.
Schadenfreude is not an adequate justification for anything; and especially not the vicious glee some people have at the prospect of people who're mean to them losing things they've purchased.
Forum bans are perfectly acceptable for behaviour on forums. Game bans are not.
The whole problem I have here outside of my opinion that some forum bans should go across the board of the entire service. Is that the articles in question aren't very thorough in the information they're giving the reader, much is left to blind faith and conjecture. Such as the segment I quoted a few posts prior. The articles seem to be more about sticking it to the man, rather than objectively looking at the situation. The entire motivation of the Op seems that way to me as well.
As a poster said just a few entries ago, he was banned yet he didn't get banned from his games. Which says there's more to this story than the OP or RPSG are putting out.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Nothing EA does would make me think any less of them, they've already reached the bottom years ago. Swtor has also proved to be a POS long time ago, so nothing of value is lost here. In fact, I'll throw a party the day EA goes out of business.
I didn't attempt to invalidate your point, I simply said I'll stick to my own opinion and you can have yours. Your point didn't change my stance what so ever.
Besides, it would be hard to be in that situation when you do not post on official forums. The only Oboard I will post on is a testing forum where I don't shoot the chit, I post according to the feedback the devs are asking for and leave it at that. Which I am always polite in the manner in which i do so, I think I'm safe from that circumstance.
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It's just bad business practice. It's akin to being banned from your airline flight because you said something obnoxious to another customer in the airport lobby.
You have to accept the TOS in order to make an account, so it is your responsibility to know that the TOS are. If you choose to not read it and get banned for breaking it that is your fault, not EA's. In my personal opinion there is far too little acountability on the internet in general so I like this idea.
If that something was "I have a bomb and will blow the plane up" it wouldn't be so rediculas now would it? Hyperbole is fun ain't it?
That would be warrented but if it was one person saying to another "Hey peckerhead stop being a dick" then yea it would be idiotic. Oh and yes Hyperbole is awesome fun.
As to the EA bans its simply stupid. That said I never use game forums like when I played WoW or even forums like steams forums except to get usefull information. I just simply do not post on them outside of tech support or suggestion forums. There just isnt any point to general forums ect unless you are looking for patch notes or dev posts about important game information.
I would avoid using an EA forum, period. I would be very unlikely to use one anyway, but something like this would make me avoid them entirely. Not so much because of the harshness of the punishment, but because they don't seem to have any idea what they are doing, and haven't for months. Not only that, they don't seem to want any of their customers to have any idea what they're doing, why they are doing it or what the rules are.
I don't think this is the case on the Bioware SW:ToR forums. I'm pretty sure I've seen unsafe swear words, even wizard swear words on those forums, and those posters don't get banned. Plus it appears that SW and Origin are separate entities.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Personally I agree with Distopia. Anyone that actually understands how EA/Bioware Forums work would understand that it's all based on a number of infractions (you are warned up to 5 times on Bioware's forums before being suspended/banned).
Also as a side note, insulting others because they don't share your viewpoint really just shows immaturity and a lack of basic manners.
^ This
You agree with him despite the fact he is, quite blatantly, completely wrong.
I see.
As a side note, I couldn't care less if people disagreed with me, the issue here is people who refuse to educate themselves agreeing with me.
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No disrespect intended...
This logic is flawed.
Let me give a parrallel example: Cars
People own cars. The government does not provide them to taxpayers simply because they pay taxes.
They do, however, provide the roads we all drive on.
If someone is caught drunk driving ( we can use any gross traffic violation), they run the risk of losing that car.
The logic posed in your post would suggest that because people own a car and are a taxpayer they can do what they want in it without fear of universal consequence related to their misdeeds.
We know this to be untrue.
This is because ownership (or patronage) conveys a certain level of responsibilty. Misdeeds of this type do not just present potential liability to the offender but to everyone else.
i.e. Your actions/ comments create liability for others.
I will never understand why so many people gnash their teeth at the idea that they must act responsibly in their dealings with others or face consequences.
It's sad.
Fail example: There's a difference between civil and government issues. Dealings with corporations are civil issues.
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Educate myself on what? I read the links, the whole presentation of these bans is based on heresay that RPSG has been gathering from users. There's no fact checking involved on their end, they don't have the history of those who have been banned all they're doing is taking them at their word, which is horrible jounalism.
When the subject of said journalism can give a company a bad name, sites like that have a responsibility to make sure what they're saying is factual.
As to the subject of EA saying one thing and doing another, that's a different story. I have not stated one way or another what I feel about that, as I'm not sure. Because I have a hard time trusting the source due to the issues I described above..
The rest is opinion, I'm entitled to mine, and it doesn't make me disrespectful to carry that opinion.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This has to be the biggest case of the pot calling the kettle I have ever seen.
If these two posts by you, apply to anyone in this thread, it is you, in every way.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
It's a great example for those with the wit to see the parrallel. Apologies you missed it.
Incidentally, the difference you are citing is the difference between a lawsuit for jail time and possible damages or a lawsuit for damages and possible jailtime.
You should probably read up on this stuff.