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Seems like the game has peaked on XFire
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I don't think we should, dub.
The title actually serves the purpose if you don't set it to any certain date but continue following the latest peak. And the graph is favorable to SW:TOR anyway, which makes it even more interesting. Had it dropped from initial launch it would've been really boring and just another over hyped cashcow. Now it has, at least, room for discussion about it's future.
And crap or no crap, it can be used with other statistics to discuss about it and speculate.
EDIT: a new peak for 2nd January 2012: 80742
It's good there wasn't a decline, it would've been a really bad sign. But the climb could've been a bit steeper, I think.
Well, next weekend is supposedly a normal weekend and isn't it 3rd week since launch?
That makes sense. 11,627 yesterday, it's going up like a rocket.
I guess people saying that xFire stats are not and indication of number of players, must be thinking that the existing players are installing xFire like crazy, lol.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
They mean shit. We all know it s doing well by logging in and seeing most servers High or Full with waits. Thats alot better indication then a program that literally no one uses.
It's my fault sorry everyone I was away for the holidays. You should now see a major spike in the numbers with all my alts!
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
Yes unreliable and meaningless.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
You won't see me on XFire but I just can't stand it any longer, gonna have to buy this sucker this afternoon. I held off at launch because A) I was burned out after a year of betaing
I was dissapointed in the space combat C) I knew it would be que city during launch and Christmas and wanted to save myself the anoyance D) I was busier than a cat trying to cover it's poop in the middle of a asphalt parking lot the last couple of weeks. But today we just had our first really cold day and I just can't stand it any longer. See you guys ingame, gotta run to Wally World anyway
I miss DAoC
Actually, yes. They ARE unreliable and meaningless. And I say that as a fan of SWTOR who's been playing since June.
Until the first free month ends and people actually start getting charged sub fees, everything else before then is total speculation. That includes XFire.
Can agree finally:P
Like my first post in this topic. Way to soon to see anything when looking for trends. Need time and, well, trends to look at
Trends are not a couple days, but over weeks, and for low overall numbers like x-fire, months are better.
Tinfoil hat failure? Xfire spitting out flawed statistics? The world may never know...
Difference is that for election estimates they use what's known as a representative sample. And they go to great pains to achieve that. Xfire is a self-selecting sample, so it's not even a random sample and it's certainly not a representative sample either.
All Xfire trends tell you is trends amongst Xfire users. Which may or may not be useful.
If I'm reading the graph correctly, it spiked on a saturday?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Do mouseover, it's Jan 2, so, monday.
But the fact there is not even the graph because it only shows hours played, and it can for example show no increase of players but only an increase of hours played. But what is happening there is that the number or players is increasing daily, not only the hours played. So that brings down the theory that the game already peaked
I've been saying it since the beginning. That's just common sense.
Numbers before the end of the first month are pointless. Also, XFire is a crap statistical model and tool. Both of those things are true.
You're a tad too late for this and please would you consider concentrating on the number speculation instead of XFire creditability speculation?
Besides, you are from US (according to your profile). Your election is the same kind of self-selecting sample as you have to register to vote. Not all coutries have that practise, but all above certain age are eligible (certain personal deficies may prevent you from having a vote, but that's another thing and not even a minority).
Your poitical vote is same kind of process we see in XFire. You have to have prerequisities (register to vote, buy a PC) and to actually vote once it's time for it (go to ballots, use XFire while playing the game).
Besides, they're aiming for the big markets. That's the place where people actually do use XFire, not among MMO-players but the others, muggles
Yup you would just move or close your eyes and stick fingers in your ears and hum.
Anything to be able to ignore what you do not like or agree with.
Thats ok be my guest, move on:)
1. He said "not everyone uses it", not "Noone [sic] uses it".
2. "Gargantual" is not a word.
3. Your bizarre statistical claim that an Xfire sample is accurate in terms of the population (what population are you even referring to??) hasn't been demonstrated.
4. A 0.02% deviation from what? From the population of Mongolia?
5. If you really want to start throwing statistics around and claiming this "Xfire", which I've never heard of, provides representative sampling of some population (which you haven't bothered defining yet)... http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/power-analysis/#power_doe3
No it makes it one of the ONLY(EDIT: Should of said FEW rather than only) predictor of trends we have:) Kind of the whole point i have been making in this whole topic.
Never said it was flawless, or the best, just that it happens to be one of the few things we can look at and see some actual numbers.
Because it is not the best is not a reason to completley ignore it. It is better than noithing. It really comes down to that. Something you can see, and so can use, is better than all the best things you would like to have or wish you had, but do not.
Yes you have to be careful with it, but again, yes it does show trends. And it is one of the few things we actually have to look at.
So i say use what you have available, no key? At least the crowbar got the door open. :P
Now now, you know that isn't true; any fool can climb on the soapbox, wrap a rag turban around his head, and shout the future. Hell, we get dozens of them every day.
Sources are never in short supply. Plausibility is.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
And just because you have lvl200 in Analogies, it doesn't make them true or accurate.
XFire has once again shown a trend that can be confirmed with other data there is to mine in the net. And I bet in coming weeks it will continue to do that.
Put it this way, just because you can make an analogy it doesn't mean you're speaking truth.
Oh really? One of? As in more .. yes. So true?
Care to name some the others? That actually show numbers? In this case sources ARE in short supply.
I haven't been following this thread since its second day and I really don't feel like reading the addition 300 or so posts, so if this has been said already, then my appologies. When this thread was made, the highest total number of users had been around 9600, today's numbers show 11,600, or a 20% increase. So no, SWTOR has in fact not peaked on xfire. This is irrelevant to the whether or not the numbers are meaningful. I'm just answering the forum topic in the negative.
Just because it's "the ONLY predictor of trends" (which isn't even close to being true), doesn't make it right.
Basing your guesses on invalid data doesn't make it anymore truthful. It just shows that you are willing to use invalid data as a method to try and support your claims. Which, in turn, doesn't make your claims anymore truthful than before you used invalid data.
And, to reiterate, it ONLY shows trends WITHIN the X-fire userbase. When you try to apply the data outside of X-fire, that is when the validity goes right out the door.
49 pages arguing the relative merits of X-Fire.
Solid work, guys.
Uhh... no it hasn't.