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Economy Killer: People duping comms like crazy last 48 hours
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This has pretty much floated around to most of the hardcore guilds from one member or another.
It's things like this that cause massive leverage in these games. People have been running macros to do this like crazy for the last 48 hours+.
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Will Bioware actually be able to do anything about these comm dupers? Any detection systems in place? They are merely people standing at a mailbox. I doubt they have the systems in place to catch this abuse, unlike a GM going to Ilum to ban win-traders or some guy camping loot boxes with a macro.
Sad sad.
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Reminds me of the mail-dupe bug that completely wrecked DCUO's economy.
Hope they catch these guys and permaban them all.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Are you fucking kidding me?!!
The only way they can solve this is to have some poor bugger trace the character logs and see which got multiple items from the same mail, although it's still unclear to me how it's done.
Even then, how do they retro-actively retrieve the exploited cash, when it's most likely been spent, they aren't bailiffs.
Unless they ban posibly thousands of people.
Either way, that's me done, it's one thing haven't people exploit XP in warzones, another exploiting cash, cancelled. There's no way they will ban those people.
I'm afraid this is the case.
I'm not saying what guild I'm in, but I've already heard of a guildie bragging how he made a ton from this and is muling items/cash to alt accounts.
Very lame. These people can buy whatever they want in game and if they're really cunning they can control segments of the market that have high demand.
They have a ton of capital from this.
I'm not saying what guild I'm in, but I've already heard of a guildie bragging how he made a ton from this and is muling items/cash to alt accounts.
Very lame. These people can buy whatever they want in game and if they're really cunning they can control segments of the market that have high demand.
They have a ton of capital from this.
Yep. Are they bringing down the servers right now to handle this? Every minute that passes worsens the problem by quite a bit. The moment they found out about this, they should have done a server rollback. People would have been pissed but they screwed up and need to fix the mess before the economy is ruined for the life of the game.
BOOYAKA!
I'm not saying what guild I'm in, but I've already heard of a guildie bragging how he made a ton from this and is muling items/cash to alt accounts.
Very lame. These people can buy whatever they want in game and if they're really cunning they can control segments of the market that have high demand.
They have a ton of capital from this.
This is the 3rd thing now, that's the problem in my head. The /getdown exploit, the warzones free XP exploit, god knows whatelse there is as im only in a tiny guild.
They can patch it, but damage is done now, i can't see how they can retro-actively fix it, as the money will have been 'laundered' so to speak by now on items, skills, etc. For PvP servers, they can rule buy having unlimited items and the best gear money can buy. For PvE, same applies with mobs and content as they will have an unfair advantage. They can spread it amongst friends so no one is the culprit.
If seen cash exploits before in other MMOs, i think they managed to ban some people who really took the piss, but those exploits were usually linked to a bugged mob or something, this might be harder to trace.
Things like this suck. But ofcourse some people will use it, probably more now that there is a video showing it. It is like that old question if you found 10,000 dollars on the street would you turn it in or keep it.
Obviously some people will try to turn it in like this guy in the video claims to be doing. Others are obviously exploiting it and basically "cheating".
People will always find ways to cheat the game or do things with out work. Which makes me question why play the game if you want to just cheat, exploit or do nothing to try to be the best?
People trade in ilum and don't bother engaging each other. You know what would fix ilum until Bioware gets around to it? A community who decides that they will play it the way its intended and attack each other when they meet at one of the spots and not sit there and trade back and forth. I realize this is way to much to ask for but I'm just pointing it out.
People will always exploit or cheat their way to try and be the "best" if they can. Others will play the game as intended and not use these shortcuts and I applaud them. Just wishful thinking that everyone you game with would do the right thing.
Lets face it some people play to exploit. They cant concept what it means to work hard and have skills for your toon. Instead they feel the need to go the lazy way and cheat there way to the top. In reality they will not be very good players to run with for end game content for they will rely to much on there cheating or gear alone to help when in fact it takes skill for end game content.
Blizz dealt with the same issues nothing new actually so I am sure I would have to say that it is kind of Bio fault for not farseeing this from the start or a conspiracy would be that the devs in charge of this part of TOR knew and and decided to let it be for future exploit I don't know and actually don't care to much about it after all I will just move on and enjoy TOR regardless.
Lopsided yes and I do hope Bio dose catch them. Dont get me wrong on this after all in fairness for gamers.
This is lame I agree.
But it wouldn't be hard to write algorithms that search for influxes of cash outside of expected patterns, we do it in the anti-money laundering tracking business all the time and then investigate the anomolies.
But...its expenseive to do the investigation, worth it in the real world, not so sure in a game economy the developers would be so motivated.
EVE has a novel system to deal with this, they just take it back, even forcing a person's account into the negative which prevents them from trading until they find some way to replace the cash. (usually buy purchasing PLEX's and selling them for in game ISK), but I'm sure SWTOR doesn't have a similar way to do this.
I received a copy of SWTOR for Christmans, along with a nice Atlas book however I haven't broken the seal yet.
With all the various things I keep reading, such as this exploit, yesterday's dancing jedi issue, frequent downtimes and just the general comments about the game play from folks (even those who are positive) I'm really wondering if I should see if there's still time for a refund. (Having a lot of fun with Skyrim atm anyhow)
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There's always the possibility of the dreaded Rollback.
It has been done in MMOs and can be done even these days.
If explained properly, to save the economy, it can be made acceptable by every legit player.
Do what you think is best in your interest. Just remember that all MMO's have problems from launch show me one that has not had bugs that needed to be fixed from the start.
This is precisely why I'm posting this here where there is more viewership... They deleted the thread on the official forums after a ton of people were posting on it already.
At least this way, more people will see this, then more people will have done it to fully bloat the economy. I played SWG and there was a guild that kept a duping exploit to themselves, and nobody knew until after NGE when they opened their guild hall after they quit only to see a bajillion duped uber krayt pearls and nightsister rifles that were worth a ton by themselves.
I hate it when one small group dupes their ass off in these games and then the for a year the rest of the server is under their thumb because they have so much capital from these ill-gotten gains.
Like we've said here though, anyone with the slightest bit of MMO / game knowledge, especially game architecturek nowledge, should know that the systems they've coded 99% chance they don't have a system to either catch/ban these players, or even harder to reverse the damage that's already been done by the smart ones with their new massive edge. The bans that have been done this far for win-trading and other things are based on players reporting and a GM observing it in the zone. Nobody can say "dear GM go to the mailbox this guy has been sitting here all day he's probably duping comms".
zzzzzzzzzz.
Meh... i see a major ban wave in the future...
Not touching that with a 10-feet pole.
This have been a good conversation
Anyone who played SWG remember something similar?
I think they either did a rollback or just banned the accounts.
I don't think they took the credits back, as like i said previously, they could have spent it or gave it away on so many levels.
Then again, im sure i remember they checked trade logs and asked people who were given anything by these people to give it back. This is a much grander scale though.
Those commendations that a few classes get in the mail...
When did they ever fix those so that they actually work?
Those commendations go into your inventory (not your currency tab) and have never worked at least since Early Access... yep you can see them... they are in inventory but you can't buy anything with them.
So if they fixed that part it was in the last couple days... point being... afaik they are still broken so you could have a million of them and do what?
Obviously if they were actually fixed you could buy mods and trade them or simply turn the gear (not tradeable) into credits... If they were fixed .. I just wasn't aware of it.
As to detection... all items in games have ID's and they are unique .. even with gold/credits which is how they track people who dupe that. When you dupe an item you are creating multiple items with what is supposed to be a unique ID... its very easy to track.
Now since they only gave the people who unbalanced a short ban (the loot boxes) and only perma ban accounts that send mail/messages about currency websites .. because apparantly advertising a RMT site does more harm than unbalancing an entire servers economy...
I doubt they will do much of anything to dupers... beyond a short ban of course and it will just be a "small number of accounts"...
BOOYAKA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7EJnQ_5ex8&list=FLzzWb04RflTPSwP0bnIjTNQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video
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Watch this burn
Yeah, I know, and pretty much all MMO launches have someone dupping gold or cheating somewhere and most games survive them as long as the Dev's take action.
And truth is, I don't intend to play SWTOR "to win" anything, more to just enjoy the storyline and shoot things with lasers so it probably won't matter too much to me regardless.
I was originally going to hold off playing for 3-6 months post launch to let things settle, so I'll probably just hang on the game until I decide to play it, because I know I'll give it a go someday.
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First the dance bug, now this ...
REALLY HOPING the next big issue will be nude romancing companion cut-scenes.
edit: indeed a good thing Bioware can has CIA internet police software to deal with this!
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Everyone asking me to remove link so i dont get banned.
They now think it's me... retards.
Banned...lol
From game or forums?
Wait, it might be they deleted thread.
So, they definately no. I got flamed to crap for it though, what's wrong with those kids?! How can i raise a fecking ticket when it's not me and i don't know how to do it, which i explained. Sums that community up.
Hello Zorbie, We recently removed a thread you made on the forums about the economy exploit. We appreciate your report of this potential game issue, and assure you we have escalated it to the correct individuals. However, we do not allow discussion of issues like this one on the forums in order to prevent other players from discovering and potentially abusing the information. Thanks again for your report!
Can't knock that, that's fair enough...
..but can they bring servers down a third time tonight?
OMG. I really hate when that happends. Yes, a rollback is the best option.
I would agree that posting the exploit officially means its sure it gets fixed, BUT !!! I would still only use it as a last resort if Bioware has been announced of the problem and insists not to fix it for several days.