I think you and I both know you just created an impossible to answer question. Most MMOs, barring WoW, do not brag about their subscription numbers.
Because most MMORPG's have nothing to brag about. (most live in a steady state of decline)
Over the years DAOC was pretty honest until EA absorbed them (they still publish actual number of players online on the server however) and NCSoft always was pretty forthright.
Now it's true, 360K subs in EVE doesn't mean 360K players, far from it, but still there is a pretty healthy population and on any given night you can find 30-60K people online which is more than enough to keep you occupied.
(though this one time I took on over 15K solo and destroyed them all, in one blow even!)
Were you flying that super veteran exclusive ship called a hyperglobalmegaship that has hundreds of slots and fires a barrage regular ships at your enemies? It happens so often to us newer players that I can't be sure that I was there but were you the one that launched a death blossom of battleships and space stations? I was in a squad of 10 and we were able to evade the battleships but that space station you fired at us hit us for millions of damage of all kinds!
I wish I had the skill points to fly a hyperglobalmegaship too but I've only been playing for 5 years.
Good times.
Heh...yah, that was me, I bought my hyperglobalmegaship in the cash shop of course, came with a free monacle, too.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I can see that you're one of those who is always right... Don't know why I ever even quoted a Bronie...
To be fair, you are a bit of a thread crasher. All you do is try to push SQO, it wouldn't be as bad if it tied in better with the current discussion rather than just you saying "SQO iz teh awesome" but Adam was talking about how the player driven end game in EVE doesn't sit well with casual players.
Btw I've had a look at SQO, cool features, crap graphics but overall it has a lot of potential. But since it doesn't have the community that EVE does its unlikely that I'll actually give it a try. In short it doesn't have the end game with all the player built empires, mercenary groups and innocent farmers that EVE's nullsec has, and all the dynamic out of game player interactions (sh*t poasting, trolling/getting trolled/counter trolling, hurf blurf, e-threats, e-honor, chestbeating, elitism etc) as a result of all those things happening in game.
Besides being right about the playerbase being small you are wrong on all counts. The SQO endgame has all of that and more. It's just a very small group of people pulling the strings. Check it out after the wipe and when it goes F2P. I thnk this fresh start is just what it needs to become a truly epic game.
It would probably garner a lot more interest if it also had a graphics face lift. I came to EVE partly because of shiney spaceships. EVE forum porn(tears, arguments, etc) made me stay. A big open world is nice but you need people to play with, nothing beats the feeling of being a part of a group that is about to go kick some arse.
They have new devs who plan to do just that... DX11 graphics, WASD movement, a new UI, They've fixed the oppresive government system even. If they can deliver half the things they promise then they have a winner. Basically you have ot ask yourself... Do you want graphics or solid gameplay? Until the AAA companies start producing good sandbox games then you are just going ot have to face ti and play games with bad graphics. Some of the best computer games I've ever played have had horrible graphics. Minecraft is a perfect example. the game i shugely popular and without player made mods the graphics are a joke.
If forum wars are your thing SQO is chock full o fthat, and until the wipe some of the games major political decisions are made by forum warriors. Have a look though. there is some rich history in the action reports and GNN sections.
I'm sorry manny I will start kissing PL ass in every post, so I can be just like you. After a few months of that and some rounds of BF3 on their server I will immediately fuck off everyone I know and app to PL so I can be in the cool kids club. Will that make you feel better?
Yes do this because you cry to much or at least accept that you are a battered woman and stop screaming when the inevitable beating gets given. Just take it like a good bitch.
The Clan/Guilds are the different major military factions. There are also civilian factions. The mods are pretty Nazi like on there, but you can talk a lot of smack if it's in the RP sections, and you keep it clean. You can always just kidnap someone in game and dress them up in pink and call them your little slutcake.
Aww so they are just like CCP, this is exactly why players make "unofficial" forums so they can be as unclean as they want. Kidnapping is cool but unless you can share it as forum porn to the community and increase your e-peen/rep as being a "pro" or "good" poster aka e-fame there is little point. Thats why forum porn is forum porn, its the same reason people go read 4chan.
BTW Adam I totally agree with you. But there are enough people unlike averagejoemmogamer to sustain a sizable community, not exactly popular but not really a tiny niche. More than enough people for threadnaughts.
I agree it's ridculous to police a forum on a FFA PVP game. People need to vent, and goad to their hearts content. It will only solidify the resolve for revenge, and strengthen the bonds made by those who wish to destroy you. I posted this the other day to taunt one of my captives...
Meh, nothing says pwn more than the classic EVE hot drop:
Any EvE players have advice of when/if/how this gets less boring or do you just need extreme patience to enjoy this game?
You do need a lot of patience, in my opinion it's not a game for casual players. Staring at mining lasers for 15 minutes when you're in an optimized mining ship, travelling from gate to gate for an hour or raoming in lowesec in search for a fight for 2 hours without finding anyone who wants to take the challenge isn't just much fun.
I think EVE can be fun for people who have a lot of time and are willing to joing large corporations. And wait long enough to be able to fly a number of fun ships. EVE is one of the most "top heavy" games as there's no game that rewards being subscribved for a very long time more than EVE does. Although I had 40 million SP when I unsubscribed I never really enjoyed the game as much as other games.
Also the fact that you're not a person but a ship with a snapshot for the person behind it (because characters can't see/meet each other) isn't really immersive. The long travel times means you can't really play together very often if you and your friends or corp mates are quite some jumps apart.
In my opinion EVE is and will stay a niche game for a select type of players. I'm not surprised OP doesn't really like it as a lot of people quit playing after a while.
FWIW I share the view of the OP and the other posters who had a similar experience. I tried to like Eve but could not. Mainly there seemed to be far too much time twidiling your thumbs. It seemed almost like a turn based game. It could have been released as an excel plugin I rekon. Another thing I didn't like is the real time leveling thing. I can understand the thinking behind it but not really for me. I guess if I logged in now I would be maximum level but broke.
Still glad that it is doing well, the fact that it has a solid subscription base and even the odd immitator must mean that they are doing something right.
Need more settled circumstances, but once that occurs will surely get back into this game. One to stick with after overcoming the early hurdles... plus it will be around for while yet, no doubt.
Any EvE players have advice of when/if/how this gets less boring or do you just need extreme patience to enjoy this game?
You do need a lot of patience, in my opinion it's not a game for casual players. Staring at mining lasers for 15 minutes when you're in an optimized mining ship, travelling from gate to gate for an hour or raoming in lowesec in search for a fight for 2 hours without finding anyone who wants to take the challenge isn't just much fun.
What you describe is no fun. Any game that requires hours of patience is an instant "don't play" for me.
I have limited time for entertainment and waiting 10 min for a dungeon to pop is already a long time.
Any EvE players have advice of when/if/how this gets less boring or do you just need extreme patience to enjoy this game?
You do need a lot of patience, in my opinion it's not a game for casual players. Staring at mining lasers for 15 minutes when you're in an optimized mining ship, travelling from gate to gate for an hour or raoming in lowesec in search for a fight for 2 hours without finding anyone who wants to take the challenge isn't just much fun.
What you describe is no fun. Any game that requires hours of patience is an instant "don't play" for me.
I have limited time for entertainment and waiting 10 min for a dungeon to pop is already a long time.
Yeah but making things instantly avaliable kinda makes them a cheap commodity. What the point if you can work towards being in a "better" position that is not easily obtained? There is little feeling of accomplishment without that, yes "achievements" are cheap.
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Heh...yah, that was me, I bought my hyperglobalmegaship in the cash shop of course, came with a free monacle, too.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Meh, nothing says pwn more than the classic EVE hot drop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GjGuFoBVoQ
You do need a lot of patience, in my opinion it's not a game for casual players. Staring at mining lasers for 15 minutes when you're in an optimized mining ship, travelling from gate to gate for an hour or raoming in lowesec in search for a fight for 2 hours without finding anyone who wants to take the challenge isn't just much fun.
I think EVE can be fun for people who have a lot of time and are willing to joing large corporations. And wait long enough to be able to fly a number of fun ships. EVE is one of the most "top heavy" games as there's no game that rewards being subscribved for a very long time more than EVE does. Although I had 40 million SP when I unsubscribed I never really enjoyed the game as much as other games.
Also the fact that you're not a person but a ship with a snapshot for the person behind it (because characters can't see/meet each other) isn't really immersive. The long travel times means you can't really play together very often if you and your friends or corp mates are quite some jumps apart.
In my opinion EVE is and will stay a niche game for a select type of players. I'm not surprised OP doesn't really like it as a lot of people quit playing after a while.
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FWIW I share the view of the OP and the other posters who had a similar experience. I tried to like Eve but could not. Mainly there seemed to be far too much time twidiling your thumbs. It seemed almost like a turn based game. It could have been released as an excel plugin I rekon.
Another thing I didn't like is the real time leveling thing. I can understand the thinking behind it but not really for me. I guess if I logged in now I would be maximum level but broke.
Still glad that it is doing well, the fact that it has a solid subscription base and even the odd immitator must mean that they are doing something right.
Need more settled circumstances, but once that occurs will surely get back into this game. One to stick with after overcoming the early hurdles... plus it will be around for while yet, no doubt.
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What you describe is no fun. Any game that requires hours of patience is an instant "don't play" for me.
I have limited time for entertainment and waiting 10 min for a dungeon to pop is already a long time.
Yeah but making things instantly avaliable kinda makes them a cheap commodity. What the point if you can work towards being in a "better" position that is not easily obtained? There is little feeling of accomplishment without that, yes "achievements" are cheap.