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What are CCP thinking?
I really do not understand why they made the game based on the EVE universe for console only. Not only that but it is now a PS3 exclusive so they've restricted their player base even more! I don't know a single person who plays a console FPS on the PS3, they all rather do that on the 360.
The FPS genre plays best on the PC, the PC player base also has proved that they're more likely to get their debit or credit cards out to purchase in game items or a subscription. EVE universe fans are all on the PC right now and I bet most people playing EVE would rather play Dust on the PC or cannot play it on the PS3 at all because they do not have one.
What CCP are doing is just mental, the game will fail hard if they carry on in this direction, they need to open up for atleast the PC. The PS3 is coming towards the end of it's life cycle so the game will so so short lived if they do not do this.
EVE has been going nowhere fast for the past couple of years thanx to the focus on Dust, World of Darkness and the walking in stations BS. World of Darkness is now dead and Dust is a PS3 exclusive.... CCP need to fire whoever is making these decisions.
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yeah DUST 514 hasn't really been talked about recently, either they did realize their mistake in making it PS3 exclusive, or they are going to cancel it. Either way, I agree: if it was on the Xbox 360, it would be ok, however it SHOULD be on the PC, or at least PC&Xbox 360. That way you could get a way bigger playerbase for taking over planets.
The PS3 is not coming to the end of its life cycle. If it was, so would the 360. The PS3's superior hardware likely means it will slightly outlast even the 360. Either that, or both systems will announce their next generation system about the same time in order to compete.
Second, the 360 was not chosen because of the way Microsoft handles patches. They would not have been able to keep multiple versions of the game (PS3 and 360) on the same patch cycle, and thus it would have been impossible for them to keep the players in the same universe. It would have been a far more difficult, if not impossible task to make the game for 2 consoles, let alone 2 consoles AND PC. So to that, my question would be "Were -you- even thinking when you criticized?"
Third, Sony worked out a better deal with them than Microsoft is what it came down to. They were far more willing to work with them on making such an ambitious project work than Microsoft was willing to do.
It would be far too imbalancing to mix PC with console users. PC users would ALWAYS have the advantage due to their control scheme vs consoles, and it would not be a 'fair' experience. PS3 also allows them to essentially let players play for free. There -will- be pay options if players want to purchase in-game money, however the fact that no subscription is required is a much more user friendly option than requiring players to pay for an Xbox live subscription as well as in-game costs. If it was on multiple systems, the PS3 would have an advantage over the 360 in that regard and again, it would be an unfair experience.
While I personally would have preferred it be on PC solely, and not consoles, I do also own a PS3 and 360 and I will gladly purchase it on PS3. Not going with PC allows for fewer hacks and exploits as well, as is typically the bane of PC shooters in the long run.
CCP have stated that they intend to nurture the game's player base long into the future with content updates and additional gameplay as it goes on. In fact, there was an article that stated that CCP is -prepared- for Dust to tank at release, and that they intend to find a niche playerbase and nurture it as they have done with EVE over the years, and perhaps eventually grow it and attract more and more people to it. It is not going to be your typical shooter that gets thrown aside when the next big thing comes out. It is going to be a game that requires some devotion over time. It will grow and develop, and players will feel an attachment to the world, their characters, and their corp. It is an MMO.
Quoted from CCP interview
"“If we don’t hit 6m in the first couple of months, that’s fine, that’s not what we’re really going for. We’re going for what we’ve seen in the CCP part of the world, and really with Eve, that it’s not about that one hit, buy the game and then you’re done. It’s about acquiring a user and keeping them for a year, two years, three years… If you look at the lifetime value of player in that sense, it’s so much more than that $60 you get from a box.”"
PS3 isn't superior hardware, infact it doesn't have the ability to push as many polygons on the screen at t the same time as the 360, the CPU is harder to optimize for and it is 256mb + 256mb memory partitioned which the 360 is 512mb shared and it's OS uses less ram to run. We see it all the time that the PS3 cannot handle what the 360 is able to do. The only reason PS3 exclusives look so good is because sony has a good dedicated first party and the 360 doesn't, they just use UE3.
It would make much more sense to develop for the PC and 360 which have the biggest potential markets and have proven over the years they're very similar to develop for and port over. The PS3 has the smallest fan base, has even less FPS fans, the controller is horrible for FPS too and it is indeed coming to the end of it's life. The PS4 and Xbox 3 are expected within the next couple of years and developers hiring ready for it proves that fact.
All CCP have done is made an MMOFPS for a console with a small install base and probably the smallest online install base too. To top that off consoles have yet to prove they can support an MMO with a subscription or F2P. We all know the game wont have the best graphics and it'll be hard to market that to the PS3 fans because it is an MMO. They've just made an incredibly high barrier of entry to the game and if it gets released for the PS3 only it will fail. CCP haven't had the best track record lately either in decision making....
You seem to have focused on very small points while ignoring the bulk of my post. There are many reasons they chose PS3 over other systems, and at the end of the day, if they KNOW that it has potential to tank initially and are prepared for that, then I trust they have a solid gameplan for the future of the game.
You seem to assume it's easy to develop a game for multiple platforms. A game, that will be groundbreaking with its concept. A game linked to an already established game's world and lore, that takes place on planets that exist in that game's world. Imagine the complications with adding a second platform to that game. Or a third. Imagine trying to link 3 separate platforms, allowing them to all play together, roll out content and patch them together, balance them together, connect their communites.
Again, there were many factors that likely led them to this decision. Microsoft wasn't willing to compromise with their patching process. If it takes 2 weeks or a month longer to release a patch to the Xbox version, there is an instant discontinuity within the game.
I really don't think you've thought about this very thoroughly at all. Your disdain for their decision seems to be a kneejerk reaction. "I'm mad they didn't make it for a system I can play on"
You're not looking at this from a development standpoint, and you're acting like it is easy to develop a game, let alone on multiple platforms, while allowing those platforms to play together. If the platforms couldn't play together, the entire concept would have been shattered from the start.
I have a very nice PC, and I would love for them to have made it a PC game. For several reasons. However, I understand their reasoning, and it seems Sony was the most willing to work with them to deliver on their vision. It also means the hardware variance from player to player will not be an issue, nor will programming for multiple sets of hardware.. ie; nvidia vs ati, amd vs intel, etc. There are a number of things that COULD go wrong in that, and it seems to me like they weren't prepared to devote those kinds of resources to this project while still focusing on their main money maker; EVE Online.
If there was any precedent set before this that said all of this was possible with no problems, you MIGHT.. a very emphasised MIGHT, have a point. But the fact that none of this has ever been done before (the linking and interaction between 2 games and 2 communities), means this is all uncharted territory.
I question your ability to make the tough decisions if it were you working for a company attempting to do this.
Further, this sort of speculation about the marketing decisions for a game has nothing to do with the quality of the game. There has been virtually no information about this game outside of a few developer videos and a few vague articles about the guns and vehicles in the game. To predict failure before the product has been seen in its entirety or even remotely near finished quality, is ridiculous.
Xbox owners must have everything! Sorry but doesn't work that way better luck next time.
Sheista, you make some very good points and I agree with most of what you have to say. Cross platform development is a complete and utter pain in the arse. I work for a game development company and while I have not worked on a MMO title, we are currently working on a title that will release on PC, Xbox and PS3 and getting all 3 to work right at the same time is amazingly annoying and borderline impossible. We constantly have perfect playtests on one build that just crash and burn on another console. And having players from different consoles existing in the same world? Yeahhhh, that's a whole nother story.
As for their decision to not make it on PC, it's somewhat smart in my opinion. They already have a strong title on PC. If they built Dust for PC, they would hurt their own title since, while there are players out there that would probably maintain accounts on both games, there are lots of others that will be forced to choose one or another. Tapping the console market for their new title makes much more sense as they can pull in a whole new set of players as well as some existing Eve players. Yes I would have loved for Dust to come out on PC, and maybe if they had originally developed Eve for console, they might have done Dust for PC but I have accepted the fact that it's coming out for console and am willing to try it being a fan of the Eve universe and of massive shooters.
That's my 2 cents... maybe 5 cents, give or take a penny.
its the same reason there's no DCUO on XboX360
PS3 is a lot more MMO friendly and has a lot less limits
also playing on the network is free (as opposed to 50$/year for XboX), so they have more reason to charge a monthly fee on PS3 than on XboX360
not many people would be willing to cash out 50$/year+15$/month
although I'm not sure if Dust514 will be P2P yet, but if it is, it would make more sense to have it on PS3
I review lots of indie games and MMORPGs
It's been said but people don't seem to realise how draconian the xbox is for mmos and downloadable content... Also the ps3 is going to last 2 years past the next xbox, and if you think the ps3 is less powerful you are just misguided, we have both in this house and it's easy to see the superiority of the ps3 technically.
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Sheista....
In reference to the "managing between 3 systems.....PS3 360 PC": I thought I read on Joystiq that a game is going to attempt it. I cannot for the life of me think of what the title was though. Sorry.
IMO they should of ear marked this game for the new Xbox that is rumored to be announced at E3, and out sometime towards end of next yr.
Although I gotta admit....since they changed the menus to be Kinect compatible I dont like the game marketplace etc on 360 the best any longer. Was much more user friendly prior to the change.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I'm interested in the EVE universe, specifically this game, but I don't own a ps3, and I'm not buying one to play this. Really don't get the reasoning behind ps3 exclusive.
My xbox broke too, so all I have is PC.
Did they show their userbase to also have ps3's, or what?
Its not for the eve userbase, its an attempt to get into the console market. I still dont get the complaints by pc people. Its not meant for you, you have eve, you micromanage numbers and ships and what not. Dust is for people who want to run around and shoot stuff on the ps3, pretty dang simple.As for 360 complainers well, i got nothin, microsoft is a pain to work with. Its well documented, just gonna have to get over it for now.
also microsoft has a thing against cross platform gaming on the xbox. its an mmo the exist in one world. meaning comunication between not only the pc but ps3 as well.
I couldn't agree more. This game from day one was a terrible idea and will be a dog with fleas if it ever comes out.
This has some good points. It does simply come down to the superior power inside of the PS3. It allows them access to alot fo cool features and things that just can't be done on 360's. It's harder to develope on the PS3 when compared to the 360, the PS3 just allows you to do so much more than 360's..
Sony knows their consoles most definately..
Not to mentioned they don't charge for their online service which helps to alleviate the pressure in getting players to stick since they don't have to pay an online fee with PS3. Not sure if the game will work on some subscription basis, more than likely will.
PS3 has not really come close to its peak potential, the console has a good 2 years left in it before Sony really has to announce anything on a PS4..
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very amusing, CCP chose the PS3 vs the XBOX360, but, i can guarantee one reason it wasnt, was the ability to program for it, or the power of the console itself, or even the base numbers, which the xbox has significantly more than the ps3 does - though in those terms the wii outshines both the other consoles.. but if you take sales figures for even a game like MW3, xbox sales were almost double that of ps3 sales, so... it isnt for a commercial reason, in the sense they wanted to sell to the playerbase with the largest number of consoles, and then we have the inferred power difference between the two, its hard to judge that, except by looking at games that already exist, and there is one thing that does stand out more often when you compare versions of a game on either console, and that is, that the xbox appears to be able to run games at a higher resolution than the ps3 can, which begs the question.. why? the ps3 technically may be superior in some ways than the xbox, but graphics isnt one of them. and then there is the ease of programming, anecdotal evidence would suggest that the xbox again, is easier to program for, as its closer to pc architecture. so..
choosing the PS3 over the XBOX360 isnt because of;
1. User base, the PS3 userbase would appear to be much smaller than the XBOX360 one.
2. Ability to render high rez graphics, the PS3 fails to impress regularly in that respect.
3. Ease of developement/programming.
no, i rather think the only reason that the game is being developed for the PS3 only, if it is still being developed that is, and thats a big if, is because Sony paid them to.
.. that may be a rumour, but.. sometimes rumours like that can be surprisingly accurate.
The reason it's PS3 only is because MS wouldn't open their platform the way they needed it. End of story. If Sony paid them for exclusivity it's for keeping it off the PC only. CCP has always been quick to dodge the question when asked whether they will release on PC as well and since the game will have native KB/M support on PS3 that's a pretty clear indication to me at least that it will come out on pc eventually. They've also already said that if Sony brings out the PS4 they will port it to that platform as well. I honestly don't get why people think that releasing the game on PS3 somehow prevents them from just porting it forward when the PS4 comes out. The fact that they are using the unreal engine for this game makes it fairly easy to port forward onto future platforms because you know that epic will be making tools for PS4.
As for hardware differences between the two systems you're just putting on your fanboy zealot glasses if you think there's any significant difference between the two. The ps3 has an advantage when it comes to physics and shadowing due to the core processor but it's a little weaker in that it can't do AA as easily without severely impacting performance. XBox has a little more juice on the graphics side and gets free AA but suffers on physics and shadows but in the end they are both pretty close in performance and quality.
The point is moot though cause they both suck balls compared to my pc.
i do not think it is that simple as dust will have an impact on our PC EvE. i mean you have us EvE players who have been in the game for ages. now the universe gets expanded with something that is linked to our EvE yet you are exluded without a PS 3.
you can tell me whatever you want i still think it's silly and i bet Dust will be on PC a few months after release as they realize it...i mean it was already stated Dust will support mouse and keyboard for the PS3...this sounds very much like a "comes to PC a little later" to me.
IMO...
CCP said they wanted to make the "Ultimate ScI-Fi MMO" so when I heard a rumor about this game I assumed that It was an expansion to eve adding in the ground/planet based comabt as well as the "player avatar" so you could walk around in stations, land on planets and fight, etc.
This idea to make a seperate game AND put in console is the stupidest, nonsensicle idea ive ever heard a game company come up with.
It's so obvious what SHOULD be done here... add it to the eve universe and actually make "The greatest sci fi mmo ever" instead they pull another "Monocle" move
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
yep, I was going to buy it until I saw it was console only. That's gone now.
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They've hinted at a later PC release.
To me, the only question that counts is why develop for a vastly inferior platform (console) when they could have developed it for a vastly superior one (PC)? Whether they put it on PS3 or Xbox is about as important as asking if you want your gourmet meal served to you on paper plates or napkins.
Don't bother answering; it's a rhetorical question. I know it's about the money and that CCP thinks this is the road to it.
Nothing good comes from porting games. Just say'n
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