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GW2 and/or TERA can they help save MMOs?
neuronomad
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With the gradual decline of WoW and the lackluster retention of SWTOR 2011 really was a very blah year for MMOs. Sure Free to Play games surged some and RIFT pulled off a decent release and has been able to retain a fair number of players but all in all the genre was fairly stagnant last year in my opinion.
For myself my remaining hope is that Guild Wars 2 and/or TERA will actually give the MMORPG genre a much needed change. So far from the Press Beta previews for GW2 it sounds like the game is on track for being what many of us have been hoping it would be. As long as ArenaNet holds firm and doesn’t push launch too soon I have faith that it will be a big boost for the overall genre.
TERA I am not sure about, though I am hopeful for. It seems that it got fair reviews from the first closed beta so it seems like there may be a chance that it will be a decent game to add to the genre. Of course kTera hasn’t done so well, but in some ways that actually makes me feel better are the NA/EU release as I think maybe it will appeal better to NA/EU gamers that it did to the Asian market.
I really hope one or both turn out to be the “NBT” next big thing. I personally doubt that WoW:MoP will draw back enough numbers to avoid the gradual decline that WoW is seeing. And SWTOR isn’t seeing the retention that EA/Bioware had hoped, nor did it offer enough change to help those of us with WoW burnout. RIFT continues to hold in there as a solid alternative to WoW or SWTOR but it follows the same formula. To me it is up to GW2 or TERA to really give us something new and innovative to help the genre retain a strong following.
So is there many others out there that are like me and if GW2 or TERA don’t win you over that you are finally going to turn your back for good on the MMORPG genre?
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The genre does not need to be saved. If you cant find a game to enjoy then its just not for you. /thread
The Secret World holds as much interest in my opinion as the other two. This is a good year for MMOs, that seem to bring something different to the table. And by different, I don't mean a complete revamp of the MMO formula as we know it. However, for me, if you can say that X MMORPG is like Y, except it has this and that, it is a good enough reason to try it out.
I think you can throw ArcheAge and TSW into the mix as well to be honest.I can see games like EQ2 and RIFT and SWT-dead-republic losing subs big time overer the coming year.
I agree with the majority here. Guild Wars 2 is the one. It is the game of prophecy that came along when all hope was lost, to breathe new life into this tired genre.
GW2.
Because of how you won't have to fight over a quest mob anymore (or channeled zones due to that). Quests EVENTS that I can easily jump right into with friends and maybe finally meet some more cool people to add to my permanent friends list ^^
The less dependence on gear.
Several starting areas which I can visit with any other toon and have myself scaled as to not roflstomp the content.
So many goodies thrown in...and B2P being the icing on the cake? You'd be a fool not to buy this.
Okay as much as I'm looking forward to the release of GW2, I dont believe that its the prophecy or the 2nd coming. I also dont think the genre needs saving, there are more than enough MMO's out there to be played, but there isnt many that really stand out, not for me anyway. We all have fond memories of WoW and to many people are looking for a replacement, WoW is now dated and repetative and has took a slow dip into the abyss for many players. Personaly I shine the torch for FFXI, not everyones taste, but had everything going for it despite the difficult levelling.
I'm doubtful we will see games like the ones we played the past 10 years, GW2 hopefully will set a new bar for other developers, maybe it will fall on its face. What I've seen so far looks really good, some are dismissive and those people as far as I'm concerned can keep dismissing, me!.... I'll hold a candle to GW2 until it proves me wrong.
I think Archeage might. I'm not terribly optimistic that it will, but if I had to choose i'd say I think it has the best chances at reviving MMO's, at least for those who are tired of the WoW model.
Tera does look very interesting and is putting a fresh spin on combat that should be very fun. I haven't read much on the political system but it sounds interesting as well. Beyond that though from what i've seen the game is still just questin n killin though.
Sorry but anyone playing EQ2 now has been for years a new game coming out wont really matter they're still playing EQ2 regardless of everything that came out for the last 7 years.
Also isnt archage just some asian grinder made by a company that thinks they can just port a game made for korea to the west ? How did that work out for aion ? TSW will be a niche game sorry but its true. GW2 again a niche game but because of the f2p model it will definatly get players the real question is can they develop more content and keep players interested without the monthly revenue a p2p brings ? I hope they can.
Regarding tera it wont do anything but be a 100k-300k sub game if that its another asian grinder they think they can just port west and make money off. Having played the beta yah only got to 20 but still the combat is refreshing but the rest of the game is bad and i dont know it just felt like I was playing some f2p game that some indie company made.
The truth is wow makes the MMO market look bigger then it really is because a large a VERY large % of wow players have never and will never play another MMO they are not your typical MMO gamer.
It doesn't need to be saved. However, GW2 sure is going to help it grow some more.
GW 2,TSW, and ArchAge.
ArchAge isn't asain grinder.
GW 2 isn't a niche game(look at previous videos or just play it once OB or when ever you get the chance.)
TSW(See GW 2)
Played the above except ArchAge but you also just apply common sense and look at the big picture all three of the games are focusing on, don't put your attention to one gimmick, don't force your attention on just pve,pvp, large scale pvp aspects of the game, view them as whole.
Don't [just] look at the story possibilities, don't just look at the dynamic events, the worlds, the individual gimmicks, try to look at em all, and set free from your ego and you just [might] get the bigger picture of all three MMOs.
Also here is a challenge name one MMO that is doing colllectively what each ArchAge,Guild Wars 2, and The Secret World are doing all in one game.
Don't give me a list, don't say well such and such had that so it's a copy and paste I mean just be simple and name one MMO already list that is brought what each of the games have all in one game.
Oh and try to be a bit open minded it can be healthy mainly with MMOs as you can see as a whole what they bring.
Only time how ever will tell if they help the MMO genre out but that's what it looks like from bothe examples,media, and more importantly [my] previous experience with the games.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Doesn't need 'saving' imo. I dislike pretty much everything released in the last 5 years, but that is more due to direction...That direction seems to be changing, it had gotten stale, and hopefully people learn that people grow tired of things, and not everyone can try to make the same MMO with maybe 1 little twist.
Have you actually "seen" the latest reviews of GW2?
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If it's in need of saving, which I'm not so sure about, then GW2, Archeage and TSW have the best chance.
Until someone develops some real MMOs again no they can't and the above two aren't.....
To acheive this the games need:
Large Worlds
Persistent
PvE only , NPCs with real AI
Removal of Easy Mode Travel, Auction Houses, Guilds
Re-Introduction of : No End Game; Exponential Leveling Curves; Skill/Class based mix.
Re-introduction of: Community concept and I am not reffering to Guilds Here
Re-introduction of : The Importance of the World it's Gods as against the importance of all conquering CLANS who add little value to these fantastic worlds.
Sadly it is unlikely to happen due to the fact that Developers are now Lazy....
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I put my money into GW2
Tera already not doing too good in their own country, they just trying to milk some $$$ out of westerners.
TSW will be the next AoC, small followers.
Age of Wushu/Age of Wulin is the most anticipated mmo in China, will have small followers here since its Kung Fu based but it has better combat than Tera like 3D combat in mid air, flying thru roof of every buildings.
ArcheAge wont be around till 2013.
GW2 id say has a chance, because they are doing something different. Dynamic Events, 2 week long WvWvW PvP and a different take on skills
Tera has a chance because of the hack n slash style combat with no tab targetting, which is different
ArcheAge also has a chance.... again doing something different. Full on AAA sandbox which is what many people on these forums dream about...and have you seen it, its gorgeos.
All of these are doing something different, which is what the genre needs.. it remains to be seen which one of these ideas has the most impact - I mean SWTOR did something different with the Full VO and whilst I thought it was awesome, it didnt really change the genre and was never going to be enough alone to make the game a success.
Also.......wouldnt it be awesome to have the features of all 3 in 1 game? a AAA Sandbox with hack and slash aimed combat, dynamic events, massive PVP and gorgeous graphics......drooool
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Pretty much this.
The industry is doing well considering the economy. Although certain players are upset they aren't getting a game designed for them.
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LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
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I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
TERA won't save anything, that's for sure...
It's fun for a while, but other than the sluggish combat, it reminded me of Aion.
The restriction to movement while performing an ability makes the Action part slow and annoying, for me.
I'm not saying any of the others will be a godsend, but hopefully more fun than TERA.
Gonna try GW2, purely because of the no-sub model, not super excited about it, but you never know.
TSW is another one that I'm waiting for, I know it's from failcom, but the theme of TSW, and the whole puzzle like nature of the game is what makes me interested.
PlanetSide2 is another one that I'm looking forward to try, never played PS1, but after researching PS2 a bit, and me being from the FPS genre, this looks to be what an MMOFPS should be, but again, we'll see.
And I will be trying ArcheAge when it hits EU/NA, but that will probably not happen anytime soon.
I don't think 1 game will shake the whole genre and 'save' it, I think that devs and game companies are slowly realising that there is beginning to be a bigger demand on freedom, tools, and social features, but that doesn't mean that game companies can just instantly drop what they are doing and give us what we want the day after, things take time.
In a couple of years I think we will start seeing more sandboxy games being announced, but no way to be sure of it.
Best of luck to all of you, hope you find your ultimate time killer
Oh yea Plantside 2 looks like it'ss save the MMOFPS genre for sure.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
To answer the thread question, No.
You people are acting like the MMO genre needs saving in the first place. Even if they did both GW2 and TERA are themepark games but heres the kicker, their more twitched based then say WoW or RIFT.
The people on this forum reminded me of paultards, never failing to remind me that the MMO genre is doomed unless GW2/TERA/AA/TSW comes in a changes everything, sometimes even for the worse (TERA being grindy, GW2 having no mounts ,OwPvP or dualing.).
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Nice responses and I had forgotten all about ArcheAge which does show a lot of promise. I was hopeful in regards to The Secret World but as it gets closer and there just hasn't been a lot of info as of late that I am a bit worried.
k-Tera failing does worry me a bit, but then again games that are a hit here often fail there and likewise the other way so I am holding out hope.
Guild Wars 2 may not be the second coming but I think it is the best chance to ring in a new crop of MMO gamers while managing to hold on to oldies like myself that have grown tired of games repeating the same formuas over and over. WoW/EQ clones.
The thing is that I want to play for the social aspect but lately games have failed to deliver on that as they once did. Hopefully Guild Wars 2 events will help resolve this. But then again Warhammer Public Quest and RIFT's rifts were nice attempts to bring together players on paper, but in function you just have a bunch of people usually teaming up with no communication and then just moving on.
Of course there isn't going to be one game that is fun for everyone. But so far GW2 looks like it will be able to keep PVPers happy, casuals happy, PVEers happy, RPers happy as well as Hardcore players.
The genre of course will not die, but I am wondering if it will start to fade away back to a smaller niche genre.
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Currently Playing: Guild Wars 2 and Path of Exile
Quit: Eden Eternal, Wakfu, DDO, STO, DCUO, Sword 2, Atlantica Online, LOTRO, SWTOR, RIFT, Earthrise, FFXIV, RoM, Allods Online, GA,WAR,CO,V:SoH,POTBS,TR,COH/COV, WOW, DDO,AL, EQ, Eve, L2, AA, Mx0, SWG, SoR, AO, RFO, DAoC, and others.
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None will safe the genre or need it to be safed?
But the big question is need it be safed do they want to be safed?
I think it don't need to be safed becouse 90% of whole mmo community in the world want mmo's that currently make up bulk of games dominating mmo scene.
Only a small percentage(realy small percentage dont think your voicing the majority guys) are negative and think mmo scene need to be safed me included.
I have no hope anytime soon anything will change but i belong to small group that are not happy with how the mmo scene develops. Nobody at moment is interested in these few who are unhappy with mmo's on market at moment.
And i see constantly same trend here everytime majority follow next big thing and hype hype hype. SWTOR is released so now all you mmo junks start hyping guilwars 2 lol your all so predictable:)
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GW2 was already the most eagerly awaited game on this site before SWTOR was even in beta.
I'm not entirely sure that GW2 is for hardcore PvEers. Maybe the only group that could be left out though.
Archeage is the game I'm seeing as the next big thing.