The problem is that a gaming company hired a former car salesman as head of their marketing strategy department. At least that is what it seems to me.
Games are not cars and I won't pay more for extra's which should have been on the standard version in the first place. I already hated the DLC trend, (as it stimulates selling low on content games) but offering it at launch is simply an appaling money grab at the cost of what was left of their reputation after Swtor and its VIP lounge and vendors.
The only thing that really troubles me, is that the game is out for like half a day and people already reporting they finished it?? I mean.... really??! How is that possible?? This would mean that ME3 has like only 10% of the content and story length as what ME2 has, as I spend nearly two weeks on ME2 (only doing obligatory side missions) to finish the main story.
Game was pirated days ago + some ppl could unlock using Korean proxy earlier as well.
Besides DLC thing is inexcluseable - boycott.
Oh - ONE MORE THING.
People are grading a PRODUCT on metacritic not just gameplay part of this product - so yeah DLC crap , business models, and all those things DO matter.
You will have to swallow that honey.
If game will have bul**it , leech business model then it will AFFECT what people think and how they grade this game.
I don't know why you see it as wrong and / or surprise.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
so that day one DLC don't bother you at all? not even a little?
Not any more then when GW1 was selling Mission packs.
The idea that a game is (quality wise) worse because of optional content is idiotic.
The problem here is that GW1 offered a great deal more content for that initial purchase as well as offering additional Mission packs.
The idea that a game that ships content lite for $60-$70 dollars and puts you into a position in the first day or 2 that you are considering buying additional content, is the same as what you stated is idiotic.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
so that day one DLC don't bother you at all? not even a little?
Not any more then when GW1 was selling Mission packs.
The idea that a game is (quality wise) worse because of optional content is idiotic.
Nothing to do with DLC, its day 1 DLC that has a strong aspect of the story line.
Day 1 DLC should never be accepted, i dont care if a dev has tons of stuff avail for DLC they need to hold off a month before they start releasing it.
I love everything Mass Effect but i hate the idea of what EAoware has done with this day 1 DLC and i will not purchase the game nor will i endorse this behavior of devs/publishers.
The more you buy into the thinking that a game should cost 70,80,90,100 the mroe EA and Activision thinking will be come the norm and you just keep filling there heads that this is ok.
Sometimes you need to stick to your decisions and not give in no matter how good something is.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
so that day one DLC don't bother you at all? not even a little?
Not any more then when GW1 was selling Mission packs.
The idea that a game is (quality wise) worse because of optional content is idiotic.
Nothing to do with DLC, its day 1 DLC that has a strong aspect of the story line.
Day 1 DLC should never be accepted, i dont care if a dev has tons of stuff avail for DLC they need to hold off a month before they start releasing it.
I love everything Mass Effect but i hate the idea of what EAoware has done with this day 1 DLC and i will not purchase the game nor will i endorse this behavior of devs/publishers.
The more you buy into the thinking that a game should cost 70,80,90,100 the mroe EA and Activision thinking will be come the norm and you just keep filling there heads that this is ok.
Sometimes you need to stick to your decisions and not give in no matter how good something is.
This is actually one of the reasons I buy games on Console before I buy them for PC. If it's not worth the money I paid then I can take that console game and turn it in for 30-40 depending on what promotions going on and get something else. That way I don't feel like I've wasted $60, ME3 with what it ships with is worth about $20-30 bucks, but definitely not worth the current price tag.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
so that day one DLC don't bother you at all? not even a little?
Not any more then when GW1 was selling Mission packs.
The idea that a game is (quality wise) worse because of optional content is idiotic.
GW1 mission pack? how does that relate to content for ME3 that was obviously ready for release but held back as DLC? The mission pack was an incentive to purchase direct from the NCSoft store, it wasn't part of any chapter and bore no relation to any specific chapter, it encompassed them all. Sorrows Furnace was a free content patch released just after Prophecies, something that wasn't ready for release, If that had been paid DLC I could see the relevance. The mission pack was free during the promotion if you bought direct from the store, it only became available as DLC because there was so much whinging about players not being able to access the weapon skins (bear in mind here they are only cosmetic) and Anet saw the business sense, I don't think anybody thought that they were being double dipped like EA are obviously doing with ME.
The mission pack was a DLC which was available at launch to encourage people to buy from the store. Bioware are doing exactly the same thing. With the day 1 DLC they are encouraging people to buy the CE edition. IF you bought the CE edition, you get the DLC for free. Buying from their store DID make the purchase more expensive. Because the retail game was about 10 pounda cheaper than what was on their store. So you would end up paying 10 pounds more if you bought from their store which can be considered to be the cost of the mission pack (DLC).
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I totally agree OP. Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game... I really don't understand the basis for all the constant bashing. It just seems like there are a ton of people who apparently get all their enjoyment from hating on games rather than enjoying them...
All they do is whine and QQ and trash other peoples' hard work. Its really quite pathetic and it makes me very sad.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
so that day one DLC don't bother you at all? not even a little?
Not any more then when GW1 was selling Mission packs.
The idea that a game is (quality wise) worse because of optional content is idiotic.
GW1 mission pack? how does that relate to content for ME3 that was obviously ready for release but held back as DLC? The mission pack was an incentive to purchase direct from the NCSoft store, it wasn't part of any chapter and bore no relation to any specific chapter, it encompassed them all. Sorrows Furnace was a free content patch released just after Prophecies, something that wasn't ready for release, If that had been paid DLC I could see the relevance. The mission pack was free during the promotion if you bought direct from the store, it only became available as DLC because there was so much whinging about players not being able to access the weapon skins (bear in mind here they are only cosmetic) and Anet saw the business sense, I don't think anybody thought that they were being double dipped like EA are obviously doing with ME.
The mission pack was a DLC which was available at launch to encourage people to buy from the store. Bioware are doing exactly the same thing. With the day 1 DLC they are encouraging people to buy the CE edition. IF you bought the CE edition, you get the DLC for free. Buying from their store DID make the purchase more expensive. Because the retail game was about 10 pounda cheaper than what was on their store. So you would end up paying 10 pounds more if you bought from their store which can be considered to be the cost of the mission pack (DLC).
I would call that a bait and switch, choosing kinder words to describe that kind of scheme.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
So the people who think Metacritics users are wrong about ME3...must also think they are wrong about ME1 and 2, because they get rather good user reviews. They must be wrong about that then, if they are wrong about ME3.
I was reading that ME3's meta-critic score is such because of something called a critic-bomb which is an organized group bent on giving low score to certain publisher games etc.
Not sure of how valid this is but seems to make some sense. I am no where near completion but ME3 seems pretty darn good so far.
I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.
I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.
Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.
Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.
Really? Did you see an offiicial reviewer post something like "f*ck you BioWare" x10 or only rant about Bioware or EA and don't mention the game at all? Rants about just the DLC? Thats not something I've seen by any official reviewers. The most hilarious are about 'the officials getting paid' or 'that they just made an account to "review" the game' (which is in reality spitting their disgrunted opinion). Thats what I meant with nonsense.
I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.
Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.
Really? Did you see an offiicial reviewer post something like "f*ck you BioWare" x10 or only rant about Bioware or EA and don't mention the game at all? Rants about just the DLC? Thats not something I've seen by any official reviewers. The most hilarious are about 'the officials getting paid' or 'that they just made an account to "review" the game' (which is in reality spitting their disgrunted opinion). Thats what I meant with nonsense.
For me personally, I prefer open and honest expression instead of deceitful, rose-colored spew from compromised sources. That's just me though, helps me cut through the BS.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
the same people who hate this are the same ones who hate SWTOR, they have no patience for story or cut scenes or voice overs, they skip over everything and then say " hey what happened the game was'nt very long"
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playing an MMORPG?"
The problem is that a gaming company hired a former car salesman as head of their marketing strategy department. At least that is what it seems to me.
Games are not cars and I won't pay more for extra's which should have been on the standard version in the first place. I already hated the DLC trend, (as it stimulates selling low on content games) but offering it at launch is simply an appaling money grab at the cost of what was left of their reputation after Swtor and its VIP lounge and vendors.
/boycott
yeah this is what is scaring me and what scares me about people saying its no big deal. when does buying a launch day DLC a big deal.
take skyrim for example ....
you buy the game for 60 bucks but you get basic skills one handed, 2 handed and shield ... all the other skills are DLC that you unlock for say 5 bucks a skill. now technically all those skills are optional and you can do just fine in the game with those three skills i mentioned. is that too far?
what if you had to buy the additional "guild quests" theives guild, companions guild, dark brotherhood and mage guild for 10 bucks each would that be too far? those are completely optional.
I mean when do we as gamers say enough is god damn enough?
I LOVE Mass Effect hell I replayed 1 and 2 and didn't get tired of it. but I REFUSE to buy ME3 for one because of the DLC nonsense and two the bullcrap ending that i have heard about.
I was reading that ME3's meta-critic score is such because of something called a critic-bomb which is an organized group bent on giving low score to certain publisher games etc.
Not sure of how valid this is but seems to make some sense. I am no where near completion but ME3 seems pretty darn good so far.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory. You're suggesting that there's an organized group of gamers (a large one at that) who just want to badmouth certain companies?
Who would put forth the effort to pull this together for zero personal gain? I'm not saying it's impossible, just a bit far fetched.
What's more likely is that expectations and value played a large role in how people reviewed the game.
The more you expect a game to fulfill all your wildest gaming dreams, the harder you're crushed when it fails to live up to expectations. Same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels. Before they came out, fans everywhere were hyped to no end (myself included), but the anger, confusion, and resentment that came after episode 1 was so large you'd think a terrorist attack just happened.
On top of that you have value. At $60 + sub MMO's, in general, have a lot to live up to value-wise. And these players who were fully expecting to spend the next 3-5 years playing this game discovered that they didn't want to spend more than a few weeks playing are now questioning everything they thought and are upset that they let themselves get suckered. So they lash out, even if they aren't being totally realistic, because they're comparing what they got to what they wanted to get.
Take a game like Trine. At $10-$15 it's a great indie game, very fun. But if it were priced at $50-$60, then it would be considered extremely shallow and a fairly pathetic offering as it would be compared to other powerhouse titles that release at that price.
Look at some smart devs, those of Torchlight 2. It's not going to cost as much as D3, because if it does, then it will be compared directly (meaning, with a greater degree of scrutiny) with D3 than it currently will be. And if D3 doesn't deliver, then you'll have a huge mass of people wanting blood (probably myself included) for not living up to the franchise.
Torchlight 2 has a much lower bar to pass, it just has to be better than the first Torchlight, which was okay, but overall fairly average (below D2 imo). And due to its lower cost, even someone like me who is clearly a Diablo fan, will still want to buy and enjoy T2. Basically, it's difficult for them to screw up.
That's why you see people say, "Don't overhype!" Once you do, people will compare your product to the expectations you set for them instead of reality. A great example is Xyson. If they had been honest and said, help us grow to achieve these things, but it will be rough at first. They might have had a cult following rooting for them. Instead they post their insane laundry list of features, and fail at launching.
Now first off I haven't played ME 3 so I won't comment on the game directly but I think some of you may be looking at Bioware and ME 3 through some seriously rose tinted glasses here. I personally read through probably the first 50 or so player reviews and I think some of you are way off base. From what I read most of the low scores came from people who gave very descriptive reasons why they gave it such a low score. Very few mention the day 1 DLC at all. At least half of them state that they were huge fans of ME and ME 2 but found ME 3 seriously lacking in a lot of ways. From serious plot holes to having your imported character's past decisions not meaning a thing it's all there. Most were highly disappointed in the ending as well. These aren't people just bashing the game... They are people who have obviously played it already and are truly disappointed.
Like I said I haven't tried it personally so until I do I will reserve my personal judgement but to say these people's opinions don't matter is just pure fanboyism in it's most ugliest form. If it was 10 or even 50 low scores I may believe what some of you are spewing but 600+? No way that is just people bashing to bash. There is obviously something seriously wrong here with ME 3.
From what I read most of the low scores came from people who gave very descriptive reasons why they gave it such a low score. Very few mention the day 1 DLC at all. At least half of them state that they were huge fans of ME and ME 2 but found ME 3 seriously lacking in a lot of ways. From serious plot holes to having your imported character's past decisions not meaning a thing it's all there. Most were highly disappointed in the ending as well. These aren't people just bashing the game... They are people who have obviously played it already and are truly disappointed.
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? Right. I look at the first 10 0/1 ratings, and I see 4 times mentioning of the DLC, 1 of them even saying that he hasn't played the game but gives a 0 out of EA hatred and wanting to see EA/BW burn. Also a lot of EA/BW ranting and, ironically enough, people complaining about the same-sex relationship options that are ingame. A hell of a lot newly created accounts as well that just happened to find metacritic and just happened to register to post a 0/1 rating review. I guess it's creating a whole set of additional accounts ftw on that site -_-
imo, ratings of 0/1/2 are just as moronic and completely emotionally biased as ratings as 10, but hey, to each their own, like I said, some people rate politically/ideologically/out of a grudge, and not from a balanced, objective point of view.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.
That no matter how good you game is, the internet will still hate it.
I mean FFS since when did optional content mean the difference between one of the greatest games ever made and a 2.2 on metacritic?
You guys did a good job coming up with excuses for TOR and Ill give you DA2, but FUCK YOU INTERNET ME3 is right up there with Skyrim and Half-Life 2.
What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.
Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP. He can't be serious. If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is. Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them.
Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3? Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was. Just a troll, move a long folks.
I haven't played ME1, or ME2, or ME3, or Dragon Age, or DragonAge 2...
But I have played SWTOR. And many people said SWTOR was exactly like ME's in terms of getting companions and flying on your ship planet to planet.
Don't ever compare a bethesda sandbox RPG to your themepark Bioware bullshit. Thats insulting.
Well let's be honest. Skyrim itself was pretty damn insulting to hardcore Bethesda fans. It seemed to please the call of duty market, but so much of the rest of the gameplay suffered for it.
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The problem is that a gaming company hired a former car salesman as head of their marketing strategy department. At least that is what it seems to me.
Games are not cars and I won't pay more for extra's which should have been on the standard version in the first place. I already hated the DLC trend, (as it stimulates selling low on content games) but offering it at launch is simply an appaling money grab at the cost of what was left of their reputation after Swtor and its VIP lounge and vendors.
/boycott
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Game was pirated days ago + some ppl could unlock using Korean proxy earlier as well.
Besides DLC thing is inexcluseable - boycott.
Oh - ONE MORE THING.
People are grading a PRODUCT on metacritic not just gameplay part of this product - so yeah DLC crap , business models, and all those things DO matter.
You will have to swallow that honey.
If game will have bul**it , leech business model then it will AFFECT what people think and how they grade this game.
I don't know why you see it as wrong and / or surprise.
The problem here is that GW1 offered a great deal more content for that initial purchase as well as offering additional Mission packs.
The idea that a game that ships content lite for $60-$70 dollars and puts you into a position in the first day or 2 that you are considering buying additional content, is the same as what you stated is idiotic.
Nothing to do with DLC, its day 1 DLC that has a strong aspect of the story line.
Day 1 DLC should never be accepted, i dont care if a dev has tons of stuff avail for DLC they need to hold off a month before they start releasing it.
I love everything Mass Effect but i hate the idea of what EAoware has done with this day 1 DLC and i will not purchase the game nor will i endorse this behavior of devs/publishers.
The more you buy into the thinking that a game should cost 70,80,90,100 the mroe EA and Activision thinking will be come the norm and you just keep filling there heads that this is ok.
Sometimes you need to stick to your decisions and not give in no matter how good something is.
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This is actually one of the reasons I buy games on Console before I buy them for PC. If it's not worth the money I paid then I can take that console game and turn it in for 30-40 depending on what promotions going on and get something else. That way I don't feel like I've wasted $60, ME3 with what it ships with is worth about $20-30 bucks, but definitely not worth the current price tag.
The mission pack was a DLC which was available at launch to encourage people to buy from the store. Bioware are doing exactly the same thing. With the day 1 DLC they are encouraging people to buy the CE edition. IF you bought the CE edition, you get the DLC for free. Buying from their store DID make the purchase more expensive. Because the retail game was about 10 pounda cheaper than what was on their store. So you would end up paying 10 pounds more if you bought from their store which can be considered to be the cost of the mission pack (DLC).
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I totally agree OP. Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game... I really don't understand the basis for all the constant bashing. It just seems like there are a ton of people who apparently get all their enjoyment from hating on games rather than enjoying them...
All they do is whine and QQ and trash other peoples' hard work. Its really quite pathetic and it makes me very sad.
I would call that a bait and switch, choosing kinder words to describe that kind of scheme.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
So the people who think Metacritics users are wrong about ME3...must also think they are wrong about ME1 and 2, because they get rather good user reviews. They must be wrong about that then, if they are wrong about ME3.
See where I'm going with that?
You guys do realize that the OP is really Snaylor who is the biggest BW fanboi around, just saying..........................
I was reading that ME3's meta-critic score is such because of something called a critic-bomb which is an organized group bent on giving low score to certain publisher games etc.
Not sure of how valid this is but seems to make some sense. I am no where near completion but ME3 seems pretty darn good so far.
I've stopped to care about the anger on metacritic. At first I thought "These guys are insane, the moderators really should do something". But now I don't give a damn anymore and realize that those people simply disqualify themselfs and their user reviews mean nothing, especially cause 9 out of 10 negative reviewers post only plain nonsense.
Hmm, it's kinda funny but I think the same thing about the "official" big time site reviewers.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Really? Did you see an offiicial reviewer post something like "f*ck you BioWare" x10 or only rant about Bioware or EA and don't mention the game at all? Rants about just the DLC? Thats not something I've seen by any official reviewers. The most hilarious are about 'the officials getting paid' or 'that they just made an account to "review" the game' (which is in reality spitting their disgrunted opinion). Thats what I meant with nonsense.
For me personally, I prefer open and honest expression instead of deceitful, rose-colored spew from compromised sources. That's just me though, helps me cut through the BS.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
the same people who hate this are the same ones who hate SWTOR, they have no patience for story or cut scenes or voice overs, they skip over everything and then say " hey what happened the game was'nt very long"
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
yeah this is what is scaring me and what scares me about people saying its no big deal. when does buying a launch day DLC a big deal.
take skyrim for example ....
you buy the game for 60 bucks but you get basic skills one handed, 2 handed and shield ... all the other skills are DLC that you unlock for say 5 bucks a skill. now technically all those skills are optional and you can do just fine in the game with those three skills i mentioned. is that too far?
what if you had to buy the additional "guild quests" theives guild, companions guild, dark brotherhood and mage guild for 10 bucks each would that be too far? those are completely optional.
I mean when do we as gamers say enough is god damn enough?
I LOVE Mass Effect hell I replayed 1 and 2 and didn't get tired of it. but I REFUSE to buy ME3 for one because of the DLC nonsense and two the bullcrap ending that i have heard about.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory. You're suggesting that there's an organized group of gamers (a large one at that) who just want to badmouth certain companies?
Who would put forth the effort to pull this together for zero personal gain? I'm not saying it's impossible, just a bit far fetched.
What's more likely is that expectations and value played a large role in how people reviewed the game.
The more you expect a game to fulfill all your wildest gaming dreams, the harder you're crushed when it fails to live up to expectations. Same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels. Before they came out, fans everywhere were hyped to no end (myself included), but the anger, confusion, and resentment that came after episode 1 was so large you'd think a terrorist attack just happened.
On top of that you have value. At $60 + sub MMO's, in general, have a lot to live up to value-wise. And these players who were fully expecting to spend the next 3-5 years playing this game discovered that they didn't want to spend more than a few weeks playing are now questioning everything they thought and are upset that they let themselves get suckered. So they lash out, even if they aren't being totally realistic, because they're comparing what they got to what they wanted to get.
Take a game like Trine. At $10-$15 it's a great indie game, very fun. But if it were priced at $50-$60, then it would be considered extremely shallow and a fairly pathetic offering as it would be compared to other powerhouse titles that release at that price.
Look at some smart devs, those of Torchlight 2. It's not going to cost as much as D3, because if it does, then it will be compared directly (meaning, with a greater degree of scrutiny) with D3 than it currently will be. And if D3 doesn't deliver, then you'll have a huge mass of people wanting blood (probably myself included) for not living up to the franchise.
Torchlight 2 has a much lower bar to pass, it just has to be better than the first Torchlight, which was okay, but overall fairly average (below D2 imo). And due to its lower cost, even someone like me who is clearly a Diablo fan, will still want to buy and enjoy T2. Basically, it's difficult for them to screw up.
That's why you see people say, "Don't overhype!" Once you do, people will compare your product to the expectations you set for them instead of reality. A great example is Xyson. If they had been honest and said, help us grow to achieve these things, but it will be rough at first. They might have had a cult following rooting for them. Instead they post their insane laundry list of features, and fail at launching.
Now first off I haven't played ME 3 so I won't comment on the game directly but I think some of you may be looking at Bioware and ME 3 through some seriously rose tinted glasses here. I personally read through probably the first 50 or so player reviews and I think some of you are way off base. From what I read most of the low scores came from people who gave very descriptive reasons why they gave it such a low score. Very few mention the day 1 DLC at all. At least half of them state that they were huge fans of ME and ME 2 but found ME 3 seriously lacking in a lot of ways. From serious plot holes to having your imported character's past decisions not meaning a thing it's all there. Most were highly disappointed in the ending as well. These aren't people just bashing the game... They are people who have obviously played it already and are truly disappointed.
Like I said I haven't tried it personally so until I do I will reserve my personal judgement but to say these people's opinions don't matter is just pure fanboyism in it's most ugliest form. If it was 10 or even 50 low scores I may believe what some of you are spewing but 600+? No way that is just people bashing to bash. There is obviously something seriously wrong here with ME 3.
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? Right. I look at the first 10 0/1 ratings, and I see 4 times mentioning of the DLC, 1 of them even saying that he hasn't played the game but gives a 0 out of EA hatred and wanting to see EA/BW burn. Also a lot of EA/BW ranting and, ironically enough, people complaining about the same-sex relationship options that are ingame. A hell of a lot newly created accounts as well that just happened to find metacritic and just happened to register to post a 0/1 rating review. I guess it's creating a whole set of additional accounts ftw on that site -_-
imo, ratings of 0/1/2 are just as moronic and completely emotionally biased as ratings as 10, but hey, to each their own, like I said, some people rate politically/ideologically/out of a grudge, and not from a balanced, objective point of view.What you call "optional content" is something that, 8 years ago would have been included in the main game. And I'd hardly call Mass Effect one of the greatest games ever. Not by a long shot. And Skyrim isn't even in the same atmosphere as Half Life 2. If Skyrim is your barometer for what's a masterpiece then you must fine a new "BEST GAME EVARRR" every day.
Right up there with Skyrim?
Ummm no.
I haven't played ME1, or ME2, or ME3, or Dragon Age, or DragonAge 2...
But I have played SWTOR. And many people said SWTOR was exactly like ME's in terms of getting companions and flying on your ship planet to planet.
Don't ever compare a bethesda sandbox RPG to your themepark Bioware bullshit. Thats insulting.
Lol I wouldn't bother responding to the OP. He can't be serious. If someone can put Mass Effect 3 in the same league as Half Life 2 they have a warped sense of what a good video game is. Fun is always subjective, always, but there are some things that are generally accepted as being great, and HL2 is one of them.
Does anyone think in ten years we are going to be talking about this game, ME3? Maybe about how EA nickel and dimed the game, but not how great it was. Just a troll, move a long folks.
Well let's be honest. Skyrim itself was pretty damn insulting to hardcore Bethesda fans. It seemed to please the call of duty market, but so much of the rest of the gameplay suffered for it.