I have a feeling Trion is taking a wait and see attitude. They probably don't want ot rush something out the door to have it provide a temporary revenue boost but fall off the charts very soon after, to compete with GW.
If they rush something out the door and miss the boat, they are screwed. Instead, it makes sense to wait and see what impact GW2 has 1st, then respond. By seeing how the market responds to GW2s direction, Trion will be in a better position to chart their own game.
I think in the long run, it makes more sense to develop their expansion around what changes are generally accepted by the community rather than come up with some some stop-gap measure to try some futile attempt to prevent population drop due to GW2s release.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
With only 32 Western Servers I would bet that mmodata's number of 250k is very close you just cant have many more with so few servers.
Also god stop claiming 100 mil in proft it is not PROFIT. Also the 83 mil they have secured is most likely for their MMO shooter and End of Nations development speaking of that why isnt it out yet ? I remember during rifts beta they were talking about it being almost done and over a year later its till in beta ?
Anyways the fanboy ignores my point in my reply because he doesnt want to accept that a game with this low of sub numbers cannot maintain its current pace of releasing new content and make money.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
With only 32 Western Servers I would bet that mmodata's number of 250k is very close you just cant have many more with so few servers.
Also god stop claiming 100 mil in proft it is not PROFIT. Also the 83 mil they have secured is most likely for their MMO shooter and End of Nations development speaking of that why isnt it out yet ? I remember during rifts beta they were talking about it being almost done and over a year later its till in beta ?
Anyways the fanboy ignores my point in my reply because he doesnt want to accept that a game with this low of sub numbers cannot maintain its current pace of releasing new content and make money.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
title is completly random, there is no telling when an expansion will hit
the second, MS is likely milestone
No, the board that was posted clearly indicates no expansion before 2013. Patch 1.11 is in november. That means by november no expansion yet (hence 1.11 not 2.0 etc). While its possible Trion pushes the expansion out in december, its very unlikely that they would release it that fast after a patch.
So no, title is pretty accurate, unless they hold off til 2014 or dont release one at all.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
With only 32 Western Servers I would bet that mmodata's number of 250k is very close you just cant have many more with so few servers.
Also god stop claiming 100 mil in proft it is not PROFIT. Also the 83 mil they have secured is most likely for their MMO shooter and End of Nations development speaking of that why isnt it out yet ? I remember during rifts beta they were talking about it being almost done and over a year later its till in beta ?
Anyways the fanboy ignores my point in my reply because he doesnt want to accept that a game with this low of sub numbers cannot maintain its current pace of releasing new content and make money.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
EQ2 doesnt release content patches every other month infact the only real content you ever get from EQ2 is the 1 expansion a year they make you pay 40$ for. Thats sorta my point that you guys just dont get. Trion cannot continue to support Rift with this many content patches with such a low population.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
Especially considering EQ2 is a better PVE game with 10 times the content and I wont even compare the crafting and race selection.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
Ive played about 6 months worth of Rift. I have an active account, but havent logged in in two weeks and am leaning towards cancelling it. Its clear Trion is content with giving people just bite sized pieces of content meant to be EXTREMELY repetitious in nature. The current community seems to love it, but I am sick and tired of the same 3 high end zones and the same dungeons. Thats a result, to me, of the bite size piece content model. Its why I stopped playing WoW, and its why Im done hoping Rift turns the corner into something beyond the wow endgame model.
And yes, Rift had a period of growth. Obviously increased server activity was enormously impacted by the server closing, but theres a good 6-8 weeks of minor growth.
However, observe how the servers did last week, when the game was free to everyone:
EQ2 doesnt release content patches every other month infact the only real content you ever get from EQ2 is the 1 expansion a year they make you pay 40$ for. Thats sorta my point that you guys just dont get. Trion cannot continue to support Rift with this many content patches with such a low population.
EQ2 has, over its lifetime, historically released a fair amount of content between expansions. In what most people consider EQ2's worst year since its first year it still put out more content than Rift. And for the smart customer that takes advantage of triple station cash days, EQ2, even with expansion costs, is quite a bit cheaper than Rift
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
Yes Rift is the spiritual success or to EQ2. With Hartsman running the show and many EQ2 devs they have patterned Rift after EQ2 as a difficult raiding game. Thye have also used the EQ2's post release development philosphy. EQ2 had a terrible launch with little content but rebounded under Hartsman by continuining to add content despite declining sub numbers until eventually it was viewed as a game with great content and the game recieved a 2nd chance with increased subs. Rift has done the same thing pumping dev resources and money into the game for the long run while continuing its emphasis on high end raid content.
In an era where most new games essentially stop development after release and run and hide. Rift and EQ2 are very good role models for what a compnay should do post release.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
In an era where most new games essentially stop development after release and run and hide. Rift and EQ2 are very good role models for what a compnay should do post release.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
EQ2 actually grew a bit its second and third year after a rocky first year. EQ2's ftp is a result of the successes of turbine's f2p success. It wasnt a dieing game when it went f2p, just as Rift isnt a dieing game. There are enough people that will keep the game around a long time.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
EQ2 actually grew a bit its second and third year after a rocky first year. EQ2's ftp is a result of the successes of turbine's f2p success. It wasnt a dieing game when it went f2p, just as Rift isnt a dieing game. There are enough people that will keep the game around a long time.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
EQ2 actually grew a bit its second and third year after a rocky first year. EQ2's ftp is a result of the successes of turbine's f2p success. It wasnt a dieing game when it went f2p, just as Rift isnt a dieing game. There are enough people that will keep the game around a long time.
Sorry, but you're wrong. SOE seen EQ2s sub numbers drop so they went with the original EQ2 F2P which was on seperate servers this was a test to see how successful it would be it had nothing to do with how succesful Turbine was with its games. EQ2s sub numbers were getting VERY close to under EQs and SOE had to act so F2P was the solution and its worked out nice for them so far. You can argue all you want that EQ2 wasnt dieing, but it was the sub numbers were going under 150k and would of been under 100k if they didnt act. Is Rift dieing ? No, but the sub numbers are at a critical point the game either needs to start growing or it will slowly start losing people that it cant replace and every new game out hurts them. Rift cannot afford to go 2 years after release without an expansion.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
Yes Rift is the spiritual success or to EQ2. With Hartsman running the show and many EQ2 devs they have patterned Rift after EQ2 as a difficult raiding game. Thye have also used the EQ2's post release development philosphy. EQ2 had a terrible launch with little content but rebounded under Hartsman by continuining to add content despite declining sub numbers until eventually it was viewed as a game with great content and the game recieved a 2nd chance with increased subs. Rift has done the same thing pumping dev resources and money into the game for the long run while continuing its emphasis on high end raid content.
In an era where most new games essentially stop development after release and run and hide. Rift and EQ2 are very good role models for what a compnay should do post release.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
In EQ2's it case it did work. The total subs had dropped to 100k about a year or so after release and thanks to all the new content the game had a revival a few years after release where they more than doubled their subs going over 200k for a number of years. Like EQ2 Rift has had a substantial rise in population the first quater of this year. Will that hold out with the 3 new hyped games being released? it is doubtful. Rifts number shave been trending down the last 1-2 weeks on Rift Status as people await the new patch. The summer MMOs IMO will not give Rift the population boost that ToR did as my guess is people that are unhappy with the new games are lesslikely to choose Rift as an alternative than the ToR players. But that remains to be seen.
But likely Rift will recieve a revival a few years after release like EQ2 did. Investing money into a game for long term subs gives a game a good rep and will work. At some point people will look at Rift not as the narrow game that released but a game full of content, Just as EQ2's rep changed from an unfinished unpolished poorly made game at release to a quality game full of content.
EQ2 went F2P with a sub plan 7 years after release. If Rift can go that long before going F2P in todays market that will be a pretty successful long term game.
Like EQ2 Rift has had a substantial rise in population the first quater of this year.
Substantial? Source? Yes, the servers got substantially more active, but thats because they closed servers and finally hit the right amount. Some people came back from SWTOR or wherever they wandered off too, but I dont think it was this huge jump.. Only trion knows though.
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
With only 32 Western Servers I would bet that mmodata's number of 250k is very close you just cant have many more with so few servers.
Also god stop claiming 100 mil in proft it is not PROFIT. Also the 83 mil they have secured is most likely for their MMO shooter and End of Nations development speaking of that why isnt it out yet ? I remember during rifts beta they were talking about it being almost done and over a year later its till in beta ?
Anyways the fanboy ignores my point in my reply because he doesnt want to accept that a game with this low of sub numbers cannot maintain its current pace of releasing new content and make money.
I think you are offbase a little bit. My post has said nothing about profit or 100mil. A nice bit of buildup to say I think you are offbase on sub numbers too. It appears you are taking any post as a reason to tear off on a rant. Further proof would be your use of "Fanboy."
You are speculating blindly and it is really not very persuasive. Expansions into China and Korea, reported profits, massive additional investments, months of growth... outside of an act of God is there anything that will convince you that you are declaring a perfectly healthy game as otherwise?
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
Ive played about 6 months worth of Rift. I have an active account, but havent logged in in two weeks and am leaning towards cancelling it. Its clear Trion is content with giving people just bite sized pieces of content meant to be EXTREMELY repetitious in nature. The current community seems to love it, but I am sick and tired of the same 3 high end zones and the same dungeons. Thats a result, to me, of the bite size piece content model. Its why I stopped playing WoW, and its why Im done hoping Rift turns the corner into something beyond the wow endgame model.
And yes, Rift had a period of growth. Obviously increased server activity was enormously impacted by the server closing, but theres a good 6-8 weeks of minor growth.
However, observe how the servers did last week, when the game was free to everyone:
Jumping the gun a bit. A week or two of variation does not a trend make. The current community does love the game and its content. The developer does respond to our requests, though maybe not perfectly what I want they have been closer overall than anyone else. The reason the game is going the way it is can be directly related to customer interest and requests. Hard to find fault with that.
I don't blame you for being bored of running dungeons or raiding, but face it, that is the genre. To go after Rift for doing exactly what it was designed to do seems a bit silly. Have you beat HK with your guild? I assume yes to GSB and RoS, how about RotP? I'll guess you don't enjoy PA farming in Ember due to the repetitive nature of killing things. What is it you enjoy doing? What solves your unhappiness?
Where do you guys get your information from? Never mind, don't answer, I think I already know.
People come in here with some personal vendetta and start making things up, spewing baseless opinions and ill will as though they were factual.
Rift experienced an increase in population recently .(and that's probably about the only factual information there is on the topic) What because some people said Rift was doomed and it's not? People come out of the woodwork with made up garbage to dismiss it as some kind of "false positive" and make statements that Rift is heading to F2P? Really? I never read any announcements that Trion was going that way with Rift? Nor does Rift really seem to be losing subscribers to warrent such an assumption. (At least just yet anyway)
Claiming Trion can't afford to keep releaseing updates at it's current pace is based on what data?
Claiming that Rift had server population decline because of a snapshot? Does tha tsnapshot also account for server transfers? Everyone's been moving from lesser to denser populations. Is that reflected in this? (Honestly, I don't know, but I would think it should) It also includes Servers that are tagged as Trial. I saw Estrael on that list. You can't make a toon on it, but you can log in and move a toon off if you had one there. There is not enough info.
I play Rift. It doesn't rock my world but I still log in and enjoy it from time to time. And I can even understand where someone explained why they are thinking of not renewing their Subscription. Those were valid points. Even I have to admit that everything I do in Rift, even if it's the 1st time.....It isn't really the 1st time. It's all stuff I've done for years. But What Rift does do, it does well. That hardly justifies statements of gloom and doom for Trion.
The reason the game is going the way it is can be directly related to customer interest and requests.
9 months of decline, followed by a month and a half of growth, now what looks like decline again?
People think I'm bashing rift im not.
I'm saying the game cannot sustain its current content release schedule without starting to see growth Trion will not continue to invest heavily in the game if the numbers dont start rising they're not making the profit people think they're.
Where do you guys get your information from? Never mind, don't answer, I think I already know.
The information in the thread title is indirectly from Trion. Its pretty obvious to anyone who analyzes it.
As far as my prediction for Rift falling under 200k by year end, its just that: a prediction. Come back in december and youll see if Im right.
Yeah, OK, I wasnt' referring to the title, That I accepted, I was more or less talking about what had been said about where Trion is going and what they can and cannot do and where they will end up.
And you may be right abbout the subs in Dec, but you may not be. So my question is...How do you know what the future of Rift is?
Was it in this thread? I forget, But someone said that Rift will take a serious beating come GW2's release.
I'd be a fool to say people playing Rift aren't gonna go try GW2 and this wouldn't be reflected ingame.
But again, nothing is determined yet.
People in the GW2 boards are flaming the crap outta some beta tester who failed to grasp the mechanics of GW2, subsequently dies and then says GW2 needs work.
And you know what? They are probably correct (not the beta tester, the people flaming him). But what people don't seem to be considering is...Just who exactly is going to make GW2 the game that kills WoW or just another decent niche game that should have been more than it was?
It's all those millions who play WoW. Those who have known nothing but macro'd button mashing. Those who's extent of "dodging" stops at "If the boss poops, don't stand it it" Do you think the majority of them aren't going to have a similar 1st experience as that beta tester? and when they do, are they going to stick around to try to relearn everything they knew about MMO combat? Maybe...Who knows?
I only bring this up because for all we know there is as much chance of Rift going F2P as there is of GW2 not living up to the hype.
That chance is....Who knows? No one does. We can only guess.
Who would have predicted years ago that Madoff was a Ponzi?
Hmm the way this thread changed topic is very amusing.
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I have a feeling Trion is taking a wait and see attitude. They probably don't want ot rush something out the door to have it provide a temporary revenue boost but fall off the charts very soon after, to compete with GW.
If they rush something out the door and miss the boat, they are screwed. Instead, it makes sense to wait and see what impact GW2 has 1st, then respond. By seeing how the market responds to GW2s direction, Trion will be in a better position to chart their own game.
I think in the long run, it makes more sense to develop their expansion around what changes are generally accepted by the community rather than come up with some some stop-gap measure to try some futile attempt to prevent population drop due to GW2s release.
Rift population is fine, its been on an upswing for months. There is no validated source for sub numbers.
http://www.riftstatus.net/shards/na/trends
Teakbois do you even play the game? Not to be negative but your post history shows a constant trend against Rift with a bias to EQ. It begins to be a bit suspect that you've posted again. Also, calling out PureMallace as a fanboi whether true or not is considered inappropriate.
With only 32 Western Servers I would bet that mmodata's number of 250k is very close you just cant have many more with so few servers.
Also god stop claiming 100 mil in proft it is not PROFIT. Also the 83 mil they have secured is most likely for their MMO shooter and End of Nations development speaking of that why isnt it out yet ? I remember during rifts beta they were talking about it being almost done and over a year later its till in beta ?
Anyways the fanboy ignores my point in my reply because he doesnt want to accept that a game with this low of sub numbers cannot maintain its current pace of releasing new content and make money.
Only 32 serevrs? Eq2 at its peak only had 16 serevrs and they had over 200k subs. Rift is doing very well. It is the spiritual successor to EQ2 with Hartsman and population wise it is doing better than EQ2.
No, the board that was posted clearly indicates no expansion before 2013. Patch 1.11 is in november. That means by november no expansion yet (hence 1.11 not 2.0 etc). While its possible Trion pushes the expansion out in december, its very unlikely that they would release it that fast after a patch.
So no, title is pretty accurate, unless they hold off til 2014 or dont release one at all.
'spiritual successor'?
No game with subpar crafting, no housing, and only 4 races is a spiritual successor to eq2.
EQ2 doesnt release content patches every other month infact the only real content you ever get from EQ2 is the 1 expansion a year they make you pay 40$ for. Thats sorta my point that you guys just dont get. Trion cannot continue to support Rift with this many content patches with such a low population.
Especially considering EQ2 is a better PVE game with 10 times the content and I wont even compare the crafting and race selection.
Ive played about 6 months worth of Rift. I have an active account, but havent logged in in two weeks and am leaning towards cancelling it. Its clear Trion is content with giving people just bite sized pieces of content meant to be EXTREMELY repetitious in nature. The current community seems to love it, but I am sick and tired of the same 3 high end zones and the same dungeons. Thats a result, to me, of the bite size piece content model. Its why I stopped playing WoW, and its why Im done hoping Rift turns the corner into something beyond the wow endgame model.
And yes, Rift had a period of growth. Obviously increased server activity was enormously impacted by the server closing, but theres a good 6-8 weeks of minor growth.
However, observe how the servers did last week, when the game was free to everyone:
http://www.riftstatus.net/shards/na/stats
All servers but 2 were down in population.
EQ2 has, over its lifetime, historically released a fair amount of content between expansions. In what most people consider EQ2's worst year since its first year it still put out more content than Rift. And for the smart customer that takes advantage of triple station cash days, EQ2, even with expansion costs, is quite a bit cheaper than Rift
Yes Rift is the spiritual success or to EQ2. With Hartsman running the show and many EQ2 devs they have patterned Rift after EQ2 as a difficult raiding game. Thye have also used the EQ2's post release development philosphy. EQ2 had a terrible launch with little content but rebounded under Hartsman by continuining to add content despite declining sub numbers until eventually it was viewed as a game with great content and the game recieved a 2nd chance with increased subs. Rift has done the same thing pumping dev resources and money into the game for the long run while continuing its emphasis on high end raid content.
In an era where most new games essentially stop development after release and run and hide. Rift and EQ2 are very good role models for what a compnay should do post release.
Except in EQ2s case it didnt work the game was dieing and almost had lower subs then EQ1 which says a lot and that is why it went F2P even though its a fake F2P.
Just like EQ2 Rift is slowly losing people and the current path isnt working to stop that and start growth. You know how EQ2 started growing ? it went F2P and that is what Rift is headed for.
EQ2 actually grew a bit its second and third year after a rocky first year. EQ2's ftp is a result of the successes of turbine's f2p success. It wasnt a dieing game when it went f2p, just as Rift isnt a dieing game. There are enough people that will keep the game around a long time.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. SOE seen EQ2s sub numbers drop so they went with the original EQ2 F2P which was on seperate servers this was a test to see how successful it would be it had nothing to do with how succesful Turbine was with its games. EQ2s sub numbers were getting VERY close to under EQs and SOE had to act so F2P was the solution and its worked out nice for them so far. You can argue all you want that EQ2 wasnt dieing, but it was the sub numbers were going under 150k and would of been under 100k if they didnt act. Is Rift dieing ? No, but the sub numbers are at a critical point the game either needs to start growing or it will slowly start losing people that it cant replace and every new game out hurts them. Rift cannot afford to go 2 years after release without an expansion.
In EQ2's it case it did work. The total subs had dropped to 100k about a year or so after release and thanks to all the new content the game had a revival a few years after release where they more than doubled their subs going over 200k for a number of years. Like EQ2 Rift has had a substantial rise in population the first quater of this year. Will that hold out with the 3 new hyped games being released? it is doubtful. Rifts number shave been trending down the last 1-2 weeks on Rift Status as people await the new patch. The summer MMOs IMO will not give Rift the population boost that ToR did as my guess is people that are unhappy with the new games are lesslikely to choose Rift as an alternative than the ToR players. But that remains to be seen.
But likely Rift will recieve a revival a few years after release like EQ2 did. Investing money into a game for long term subs gives a game a good rep and will work. At some point people will look at Rift not as the narrow game that released but a game full of content, Just as EQ2's rep changed from an unfinished unpolished poorly made game at release to a quality game full of content.
EQ2 went F2P with a sub plan 7 years after release. If Rift can go that long before going F2P in todays market that will be a pretty successful long term game.
Substantial? Source? Yes, the servers got substantially more active, but thats because they closed servers and finally hit the right amount. Some people came back from SWTOR or wherever they wandered off too, but I dont think it was this huge jump.. Only trion knows though.
I think you are offbase a little bit. My post has said nothing about profit or 100mil. A nice bit of buildup to say I think you are offbase on sub numbers too. It appears you are taking any post as a reason to tear off on a rant. Further proof would be your use of "Fanboy."
You are speculating blindly and it is really not very persuasive. Expansions into China and Korea, reported profits, massive additional investments, months of growth... outside of an act of God is there anything that will convince you that you are declaring a perfectly healthy game as otherwise?
Jumping the gun a bit. A week or two of variation does not a trend make. The current community does love the game and its content. The developer does respond to our requests, though maybe not perfectly what I want they have been closer overall than anyone else. The reason the game is going the way it is can be directly related to customer interest and requests. Hard to find fault with that.
I don't blame you for being bored of running dungeons or raiding, but face it, that is the genre. To go after Rift for doing exactly what it was designed to do seems a bit silly. Have you beat HK with your guild? I assume yes to GSB and RoS, how about RotP? I'll guess you don't enjoy PA farming in Ember due to the repetitive nature of killing things. What is it you enjoy doing? What solves your unhappiness?
Do not say houses or flying mounts.
Where do you guys get your information from? Never mind, don't answer, I think I already know.
People come in here with some personal vendetta and start making things up, spewing baseless opinions and ill will as though they were factual.
Rift experienced an increase in population recently .(and that's probably about the only factual information there is on the topic) What because some people said Rift was doomed and it's not? People come out of the woodwork with made up garbage to dismiss it as some kind of "false positive" and make statements that Rift is heading to F2P? Really? I never read any announcements that Trion was going that way with Rift? Nor does Rift really seem to be losing subscribers to warrent such an assumption. (At least just yet anyway)
Claiming Trion can't afford to keep releaseing updates at it's current pace is based on what data?
Claiming that Rift had server population decline because of a snapshot? Does tha tsnapshot also account for server transfers? Everyone's been moving from lesser to denser populations. Is that reflected in this? (Honestly, I don't know, but I would think it should) It also includes Servers that are tagged as Trial. I saw Estrael on that list. You can't make a toon on it, but you can log in and move a toon off if you had one there. There is not enough info.
I play Rift. It doesn't rock my world but I still log in and enjoy it from time to time. And I can even understand where someone explained why they are thinking of not renewing their Subscription. Those were valid points. Even I have to admit that everything I do in Rift, even if it's the 1st time.....It isn't really the 1st time. It's all stuff I've done for years. But What Rift does do, it does well. That hardly justifies statements of gloom and doom for Trion.
The information in the thread title is indirectly from Trion. Its pretty obvious to anyone who analyzes it.
As far as my prediction for Rift falling under 200k by year end, its just that: a prediction. Come back in december and youll see if Im right.
9 months of decline, followed by a month and a half of growth, now what looks like decline again?
People think I'm bashing rift im not.
I'm saying the game cannot sustain its current content release schedule without starting to see growth Trion will not continue to invest heavily in the game if the numbers dont start rising they're not making the profit people think they're.
Yeah, OK, I wasnt' referring to the title, That I accepted, I was more or less talking about what had been said about where Trion is going and what they can and cannot do and where they will end up.
And you may be right abbout the subs in Dec, but you may not be. So my question is...How do you know what the future of Rift is?
Was it in this thread? I forget, But someone said that Rift will take a serious beating come GW2's release.
I'd be a fool to say people playing Rift aren't gonna go try GW2 and this wouldn't be reflected ingame.
But again, nothing is determined yet.
People in the GW2 boards are flaming the crap outta some beta tester who failed to grasp the mechanics of GW2, subsequently dies and then says GW2 needs work.
And you know what? They are probably correct (not the beta tester, the people flaming him). But what people don't seem to be considering is...Just who exactly is going to make GW2 the game that kills WoW or just another decent niche game that should have been more than it was?
It's all those millions who play WoW. Those who have known nothing but macro'd button mashing. Those who's extent of "dodging" stops at "If the boss poops, don't stand it it" Do you think the majority of them aren't going to have a similar 1st experience as that beta tester? and when they do, are they going to stick around to try to relearn everything they knew about MMO combat? Maybe...Who knows?
I only bring this up because for all we know there is as much chance of Rift going F2P as there is of GW2 not living up to the hype.
That chance is....Who knows? No one does. We can only guess.
Who would have predicted years ago that Madoff was a Ponzi?
Hmm the way this thread changed topic is very amusing.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.