This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
Sigh, Most people who own EA stock probably don't even know what EA does. It's a strong selling stock in a lusicious portfolio. They care about numbers. EA has such and such amount of sbuscriptions which equals an estimated so much money. That's what is important.
They aren't the only ones padding their numbers for the Spring Quarter, Rift is doing the same thing and its probably the reason why Tera is allowing betas to go straight to reality.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
Those people with millions and millions of dollars probably have no clue what an MMO is, let alone a subscription, so yes. Rich people see numbers, thats it.
Completely and totally wrong statement. Rich people know what they invest in or wouldnt be that way in the first place. If you invest in EA, you know the market. If you pay someone to invest in EA, the people you pay know the market that EA is in.
This is not a hard concept people. I'm still amazed everyone here thinks they are so clever for figuring out this ploy, yet those invested won't be able to themselves. Really folks? Think for a second before posting in the future PLEASE. This is getting utterly pathetic.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
___________________________ Have flask; will travel.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
Their original plan only rewarded people with 50s. Why? If you want to sincerely thank your fans, you just reward anyone who has stayed subscribed. Who cares what level their toons are? You only care if you're looking to create a smaller subset or you have vapor lock and don't have any forethought about the ramifications of what you're doing.
That game must be pretty amazing for all the time you've spent posting instead of playing it tonight.
___________________________ Have flask; will travel.
People who either re-rolled on more busy servers or slow paced players are still screwed. Oh well yeah they can have no life for the whole next week and hit the mark.
This is just embarrassing. It looks like one of two things: either they cannot figure out something as simple as reward all your customers who have stayed paid-up subscribers the whole time (and keep screwing it up by making it more and more complex than it needs to be), or they are nakedly trying to pad their sub numbers before the earnings report and don't really give a crap about their subscribers (throwing a token bone here to silence the outrage). Neither puts them in a positive light.
Also noted that they are giving 7 days of free time to returning players.
So even if you left you are getting more than what the more casual gamers are getting.
Yup! Time for people to zoom to end game within a week, and then quit shortly afterwards.
They still should have granted the 30 days to those who have subbed constantly from the start, or stay subbed for at least 90 days solid, then that would encourage people to quit (unsub) less
Indeed that would have been much more accepted.
Now get ready to read a post from BioWare stating how the 1.2 was welcomed and increased the subs.
I don't get how they can be so clueless, seriously that's disappointing for the least.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
Their original plan only rewarded people with 50s. Why? If you want to sincerely thank your fans, you just reward anyone who has stayed subscribed. Who cares what level their toons are? You only care if you're looking to create a smaller subset or you have vapor lock and don't have any forethought about the ramifications of what you're doing.
That game must be pretty amazing for all the time you've spent posting instead of playing it tonight.
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
You all realzie that you have until the 22nd of this month to get 50 or legacy 6 right to get the free sub? So they are even giving people an extra 10 days to meet the criteria.
How many of you that are complainging about this are actually in the situation of these hypothetical group of folks that have been subbed since launch and do not meet the criteria?
If so, why don't you go play now to go meet the criteria?
A lot of white knights on here huh? Oh wait, you guys are all just disgruntled ex-players who have nothing better to do than moan and complain atm. Come on guys, life has so much more to offer you.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
Look I've been there since beta my main is 47, my second alt 20 and my third 15.
Not only I don't have that much time to level my chars but I stopped levelling my alts when I discovered I was about to get screwed with having pre-levelled alts before 1.2.
Then I took levelling my main very slowly either because I knew there was no content post level 50.
I've been subbed since day one, kept my sub running supporting the game whenever it was and still is bugged and see the result.
I'm legacy 4 and well now I'm supposed to grind to legacy 6 in one week to be "rewarded"?
(Edit) and being a fan does not means you have the luxury to spent that much hours playing the game a week.
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
___________________________ Have flask; will travel.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
Look I've been there since beta my main is 47, my second alt 20 and my third 15.
Not only I don't have that much time to level my chars but I stopped levelling my alts when I discovered I was about to get screwed with having pre-levelled alts before 1.2.
Then I took levelling my main very slowly either because I knew there was no content post level 50.
I've been subbed since day one, kept my sub running supporting the game whenever it was and still is bugged and see the result.
I'm legacy 4 and well now I'm supposed to grind to legacy 6 in one week to be "rewarded"?
(Edit) and being a fan does not means you have the luxury to spent that much hours playing the game a week.
Grinding two legacy levels will literally take you a few hours. Go ahead and do that and get this incredibly generous gift they are offering. Or don't, stop crying and don't blame anyone but yourself.
Also it is not really grinding when you are actually progressing your characters through their story...unless you want to classify everything in any MMO ever as grinding...
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
LMAO at these hpyotheticals again.
That's not a hypothetical, it's an actual client. You do know what hypothetical means, right?
___________________________ Have flask; will travel.
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
When I used to play WoW, i downed LK Hard Mode (with the 30% debuff) while posting on forums and playing halo with my friends on the side. Im really good at multitasking.
And you seem to missed the part where you don't have to be 50 anymore. And you get until the 22nd (10 extra days) to meet the criteria. You are literally crying over a game you hate offering their fanbase free things, trying to play white knight. Go level up that 10th wow toon to 85 instead maybe eh?
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
LMAO at these hpyotheticals again.
That's not a hypothetical, it's an actual client. You do know what hypothetical means, right?
Link to this actual person? Do you not understand that people in this scenerio make up less than 1% of those that have been subbed from the beginning? And should be punished anyway for being completely ignorant on how legacy system works in the first place?
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
When I used to play WoW, i downed LK Hard Mode (with the 30% debuff) while posting on forums and playing halo with my friends on the side. Im really good at multitasking.
And you seem to missed the part where you don't have to be 50 anymore. And you get until the 22nd (10 extra days) to meet the criteria. You are literally crying over a game you hate offering their fanbase free things, trying to play white knight. Go level up that 10th wow toon to 85 instead maybe eh?
No, I didn't miss it. It's irrelevant because it doesn't explain why they picked 50s only in the first place. And why extend it to just level 6 Legacy instead of all long-term customers? Same principle; still arbitrary. Nice try with the continued insults, though. Keep flailing, you may get something to stick eventually. The only white knighting is your undying devotion to Bioware, Mrs Ohlen.
___________________________ Have flask; will travel.
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
A) It's asinine.
Why would a sincere thank you to their fans arbitrarily exclude some portion of players who have been subscribing since day one? A sincere thank you would apply to all of their long-time subscribers. You pick a subset for other reasons...like trying to pad your numbers without making them become completely unrealistic and thus suspicious.
You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
LMAO at these hpyotheticals again.
That's not a hypothetical, it's an actual client. You do know what hypothetical means, right?
Link to this actual person? Do you not understand that people in this scenerio make up less than 1% of those that have been subbed from the beginning? And should be punished anyway for being completely ignorant on how legacy system works in the first place?
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
When I used to play WoW, i downed LK Hard Mode (with the 30% debuff) while posting on forums and playing halo with my friends on the side. Im really good at multitasking.
And you seem to missed the part where you don't have to be 50 anymore. And you get until the 22nd (10 extra days) to meet the criteria. You are literally crying over a game you hate offering their fanbase free things, trying to play white knight. Go level up that 10th wow toon to 85 instead maybe eh?
No, I didn't miss it. It's irrelevant because it doesn't explain why they picked 50s only in the first place. And why extend it to just level 6 Legacy instead of all long-term customers? Same principle; still arbitrary. Nice try with the continued insults, though. Keep flailing, you may get something to stick eventually. The only white knighting is your undying devotion to Bioware, Mrs Ohlen.
What would a long term customer be defined as? Someone who has kept their sub since launch? I have unsubbed for a few days here and there between my payment periods, should i not be granted fre play time?
If you dont want that, why not offer it to all who have been subbed in the past month? Becuase why would you want to give free time to people who just started and perhaps already quit. This would be a simple ploy to beef up sub numbers. Bioware is not doing that or they would have simply went with this route.
No matter how they set the parameters, you would have been playing white knight c lown on here and saying "its arbitary!!"! bioware suxors1!1!"
They are rewarding people who have active accounts and have been playing actively. How is this so hard for you to understand?
Also LOL at the above insults. Nice showing your true colors and age guys lmao!
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
When I used to play WoW, i downed LK Hard Mode (with the 30% debuff) while posting on forums and playing halo with my friends on the side. Im really good at multitasking.
And you seem to missed the part where you don't have to be 50 anymore. And you get until the 22nd (10 extra days) to meet the criteria. You are literally crying over a game you hate offering their fanbase free things, trying to play white knight. Go level up that 10th wow toon to 85 instead maybe eh?
No, I didn't miss it. It's irrelevant because it doesn't explain why they picked 50s only in the first place. And why extend it to just level 6 Legacy instead of all long-term customers? Same principle; still arbitrary. Nice try with the continued insults, though. Keep flailing, you may get something to stick eventually. The only white knighting is your undying devotion to Bioware, Mrs Ohlen.
What would a long term customer be defined as? Someone who has kept their sub since launch? I have unsubbed for a few days here and there between my payment periods, should i not be granted fre play time?
If you dont want that, why not offer it to all who have been subbed in the past month? Becuase why would you want to give free time to people who just started and perhaps already quit. This would be a simple ploy to beef up sub numbers. Bioware is not doing that or they would have simply went with this route.
No matter how they set the parameters, you would have been playing white knight c lown on here and saying "its arbitary!!"! bioware suxors1!1!"
They are rewarding people who have active accounts and have been playing actively. How is this so hard for you to understand?
Also LOL at the above insults. Nice showing your true colors and age guys lmao!
And there it is. You know, a real fan would have had an automatic sub without letting it lapse. So the real reason you're defending this so hard is because you wouldn't actually measure up as a fan if they only considered people who actually supported the game by keeping their subs active continuously. This has nothing to do with you thinking they are right; you're just covering your ass. Thanks for outing yourself
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"As a thanks for being one of our most valued players."
Apparently, players with a level 50 character are more valuable than players that do not have a level 50 character.
Of course we are! ^^ Those of us with level 50's would typically be the ones most likely to come back to see new content. Or we would be, in just about any other game. This is one of the first games that I've reached cap in, that I really have little interest in going back. Given that I have NINE level 85's in WoW (yes, I'm quite insane...^^) thats saying something.
That just means you are a WoW fanatic posting on the SWTOR boards. And then you wonder why people call you troll? The sky is blue bro, sorry for "hating" by stating a fact.
Now thats funny... And ironic... Can you see why? ^^ WoW is and remains (in spite of his divine Dev'ness, Ghostcrawler), a good game up to level cap. Then its mainly raiding and/or PvP. Neither of which is to my taste.
I went into ToR, not only willing to give it a chance, but hoping that it would turn out to be a game that I could play for an extended period of time. It was quite enjoyable up to the high 20's early 30's. Then the cut corners and lack of polish started to pile up. I'll always suspect that EA pressured Bioware to release it too soon, to make their quarterly reports look sweet.
But what really turned me off was some of the plot wagoning that was involved in the later game. To be specific, on the Republic side (trooper) it was the class chain on the Empires ultimate weapon ship, which limited my use of which of my companions could be used. I finished the chain in spite of that. But it left a very bad taste in my mouth.
From then on, it was all down hill. I finished to level 50 because I'd already been charged for the first month, and I hate to leave a game with out getting to level cap. But once I reached level 50, there wasn't all that much to do (like WoW as I said).
I can't say that I hate ToR, as I quite enjoyed the first part of the game. But I play these games as a hobby. For many reasons, it became no longer entertaining. So I moved on. If they manage to fix many of the cut corners, and take a different direction in terms of the games later content, I may try it again. But with Tera and D3 next month, and Firefall (some time in the fall, winter perhaps), its not even on my secondary list at this point. To each their own.
Yeah but it also might be intended as a preemptive strike to tempt some more people to stay, looking at the imminent releases of D3, GW2 and TSW.
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MMO's are looking at retention rates.
After initial release,they get a number. Out of X players who try, Y players stay playing. So if 1000 try it, lets say only 300 stay. So games are throwing out promotionals. Using the preceding example, if they wanted 1000 players, they'd put out a promotional that would draw 3000 or so in (meaning 1000 or so would stay).
I think this is exactly what rift has done, and I believe it is what has stabilized their population.
Expect more of this. You think WoW is free up to lvl 20 for no reason?
and you think comparing a 4 month old game to a 9 year old game is biofandrome for no reason. LOL
I'm comparing WoW as it is in this current market to SWToR as it is in this current market........
My theory is that all mmo's are experiencing low retention rates, now.
If I had said something like, 'WoW has far more content than SWToR' that would be an unfair comparison based on their age.
If the current market is that games have a huge number who try but only a few who sub, then I don't care how old or new the game is, they both want to expose as many people as they can to their game to maximize the number of people who stay.
But what do you mean, biofandrome? That wasn't a theory showing I'm a fan of bioware, it was a theory on how all mmo's are doing promotionals the likes of which we have never seen, and this was my theory why.......it was a theory explaining WoW's free play to 20, Rift's multi-million # of promotionals, AoC and LotRO and EQ and EQ2's f2p models.....it was an all encompassing theory I was applying to explain what I see ALL games doing....
And I wasn't even refuting DarkPony, just adding an additional theory, gee whiz.
I really have no idea where you got that from.....
This is a plan to pad the numbers when they present to their investors.
Do you guys honestly think investors are less in sync with what is going on than people on this message board? This ploy can't work on some disgruntled mmo players but it can work on people with millions and millions of dollars? Really?
So not only do you all have this asinane hate in your heart for a decent company like bioware, but you also have this incredible superiority complex?
Here is a hint folks. It is not a ploy. It is a sincere thank you to their fans. Crazy huh?
Those people with millions and millions of dollars probably have no clue what an MMO is, let alone a subscription, so yes. Rich people see numbers, thats it.
Some do, some do not. Most (if not all) investors are in it for the ROI. If the corps suits can spread enough elephant dust around, they can make it seem like a good investment. Thats true in just about any field, not just MMO's. Look at the banking and related sectors, and the consequences of a LOT of people being sucked into that. Usually, all it takes is some version of "Its just like World of Warcraft" to make investors eyes light up with dollar signs. Or it did, until the slide began.
Stockholders are people who look af graphs and bank balances. They dont care about the game quality or how many people enjoy it. They care about the graphs and how much money that line is going to make them in the next 5 years.
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Sigh, Most people who own EA stock probably don't even know what EA does. It's a strong selling stock in a lusicious portfolio. They care about numbers. EA has such and such amount of sbuscriptions which equals an estimated so much money. That's what is important.
They aren't the only ones padding their numbers for the Spring Quarter, Rift is doing the same thing and its probably the reason why Tera is allowing betas to go straight to reality.
Completely and totally wrong statement. Rich people know what they invest in or wouldnt be that way in the first place. If you invest in EA, you know the market. If you pay someone to invest in EA, the people you pay know the market that EA is in.
This is not a hard concept people. I'm still amazed everyone here thinks they are so clever for figuring out this ploy, yet those invested won't be able to themselves. Really folks? Think for a second before posting in the future PLEASE. This is getting utterly pathetic.
A) It's asinine.
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You know how hard it is to be subbed from this game from day 1 and not have legacy level 6? We are talking about a hypothetical that makes up at most a significantly small percentage of the overall fanbase. They are going to reward those that have been playing, not those that have been subbed and not playing. Very simple, reward the ACTUAL FANS.
Their original plan only rewarded people with 50s. Why? If you want to sincerely thank your fans, you just reward anyone who has stayed subscribed. Who cares what level their toons are? You only care if you're looking to create a smaller subset or you have vapor lock and don't have any forethought about the ramifications of what you're doing.
That game must be pretty amazing for all the time you've spent posting instead of playing it tonight.
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Also noted that they are giving 7 days of free time to returning players.
So even if you left you are getting more than what the more casual gamers are getting.
Indeed that would have been much more accepted.
Now get ready to read a post from BioWare stating how the 1.2 was welcomed and increased the subs.
I don't get how they can be so clueless, seriously that's disappointing for the least.
Again, it is called multitasking people. Im literally playing as a type right now.
Also, they did the lvl 50 idea to reward the actual fans who were playing. After listening to their fans reaction to this, they fix the mistake. How is extending the subset attempting to a create a smaller one? That is completely backwards logic.
So basically you saying the following player is not a fan (taken from the official forums from a former rather dedicated Bioware/SWTOR player).
This player , has a 30 something on a RP-PVP server to play with their former guild some.
A 20 something on a PVE server helping a new mmorpg player friend.
Two low 30's on a RP server to play , slowly taking in the scenery type deal on an RP server (lots of RP folks played this way).
And wait for it , they have a low 30's on the test server to gasp, help test content.
Yes , I can see how not giving said player 30 free days makes sense. Obviously not an actual fan.
You all realzie that you have until the 22nd of this month to get 50 or legacy 6 right to get the free sub? So they are even giving people an extra 10 days to meet the criteria.
How many of you that are complainging about this are actually in the situation of these hypothetical group of folks that have been subbed since launch and do not meet the criteria?
If so, why don't you go play now to go meet the criteria?
A lot of white knights on here huh? Oh wait, you guys are all just disgruntled ex-players who have nothing better to do than moan and complain atm. Come on guys, life has so much more to offer you.
LMAO at these hpyotheticals again.
Look I've been there since beta my main is 47, my second alt 20 and my third 15.
Not only I don't have that much time to level my chars but I stopped levelling my alts when I discovered I was about to get screwed with having pre-levelled alts before 1.2.
Then I took levelling my main very slowly either because I knew there was no content post level 50.
I've been subbed since day one, kept my sub running supporting the game whenever it was and still is bugged and see the result.
I'm legacy 4 and well now I'm supposed to grind to legacy 6 in one week to be "rewarded"?
(Edit) and being a fan does not means you have the luxury to spent that much hours playing the game a week.
Multitasking? Doesn't sound like the game requires much effort if you can play it while camping threads here. Amazing!
The backwards logic is not understanding a very simple matter: level 50 players are not all of your actual fans. You're telling me for a company than runs its mouth every chance it gets about how many metrics they have and how they know everything about everything that happens in their game they didn't know a substantial proportion of their long-paying customers didn't have level 50 characters? Again, this is not a complex concept: if you want to reward your fans who were playing, you reward fans who are playing regardless of their level, not some arbitrarily picked subset of them.
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Grinding two legacy levels will literally take you a few hours. Go ahead and do that and get this incredibly generous gift they are offering. Or don't, stop crying and don't blame anyone but yourself.
Also it is not really grinding when you are actually progressing your characters through their story...unless you want to classify everything in any MMO ever as grinding...
That's not a hypothetical, it's an actual client. You do know what hypothetical means, right?
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When I used to play WoW, i downed LK Hard Mode (with the 30% debuff) while posting on forums and playing halo with my friends on the side. Im really good at multitasking.
And you seem to missed the part where you don't have to be 50 anymore. And you get until the 22nd (10 extra days) to meet the criteria. You are literally crying over a game you hate offering their fanbase free things, trying to play white knight. Go level up that 10th wow toon to 85 instead maybe eh?
Link to this actual person? Do you not understand that people in this scenerio make up less than 1% of those that have been subbed from the beginning? And should be punished anyway for being completely ignorant on how legacy system works in the first place?
Keep white knighting tho. Looks good on you lol
No, I didn't miss it. It's irrelevant because it doesn't explain why they picked 50s only in the first place. And why extend it to just level 6 Legacy instead of all long-term customers? Same principle; still arbitrary. Nice try with the continued insults, though. Keep flailing, you may get something to stick eventually. The only white knighting is your undying devotion to Bioware, Mrs Ohlen.
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There we go folks, intelligence at it's best.
No kidding. And people wonder why games keep getting dumbed down. There's the target demographic.
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What would a long term customer be defined as? Someone who has kept their sub since launch? I have unsubbed for a few days here and there between my payment periods, should i not be granted fre play time?
If you dont want that, why not offer it to all who have been subbed in the past month? Becuase why would you want to give free time to people who just started and perhaps already quit. This would be a simple ploy to beef up sub numbers. Bioware is not doing that or they would have simply went with this route.
No matter how they set the parameters, you would have been playing white knight c lown on here and saying "its arbitary!!"! bioware suxors1!1!"
They are rewarding people who have active accounts and have been playing actively. How is this so hard for you to understand?
Also LOL at the above insults. Nice showing your true colors and age guys lmao!
And there it is. You know, a real fan would have had an automatic sub without letting it lapse. So the real reason you're defending this so hard is because you wouldn't actually measure up as a fan if they only considered people who actually supported the game by keeping their subs active continuously. This has nothing to do with you thinking they are right; you're just covering your ass. Thanks for outing yourself
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Now thats funny... And ironic... Can you see why? ^^ WoW is and remains (in spite of his divine Dev'ness, Ghostcrawler), a good game up to level cap. Then its mainly raiding and/or PvP. Neither of which is to my taste.
I went into ToR, not only willing to give it a chance, but hoping that it would turn out to be a game that I could play for an extended period of time. It was quite enjoyable up to the high 20's early 30's. Then the cut corners and lack of polish started to pile up. I'll always suspect that EA pressured Bioware to release it too soon, to make their quarterly reports look sweet.
But what really turned me off was some of the plot wagoning that was involved in the later game. To be specific, on the Republic side (trooper) it was the class chain on the Empires ultimate weapon ship, which limited my use of which of my companions could be used. I finished the chain in spite of that. But it left a very bad taste in my mouth.
From then on, it was all down hill. I finished to level 50 because I'd already been charged for the first month, and I hate to leave a game with out getting to level cap. But once I reached level 50, there wasn't all that much to do (like WoW as I said).
I can't say that I hate ToR, as I quite enjoyed the first part of the game. But I play these games as a hobby. For many reasons, it became no longer entertaining. So I moved on. If they manage to fix many of the cut corners, and take a different direction in terms of the games later content, I may try it again. But with Tera and D3 next month, and Firefall (some time in the fall, winter perhaps), its not even on my secondary list at this point. To each their own.
I'm comparing WoW as it is in this current market to SWToR as it is in this current market........
My theory is that all mmo's are experiencing low retention rates, now.
If I had said something like, 'WoW has far more content than SWToR' that would be an unfair comparison based on their age.
If the current market is that games have a huge number who try but only a few who sub, then I don't care how old or new the game is, they both want to expose as many people as they can to their game to maximize the number of people who stay.
But what do you mean, biofandrome? That wasn't a theory showing I'm a fan of bioware, it was a theory on how all mmo's are doing promotionals the likes of which we have never seen, and this was my theory why.......it was a theory explaining WoW's free play to 20, Rift's multi-million # of promotionals, AoC and LotRO and EQ and EQ2's f2p models.....it was an all encompassing theory I was applying to explain what I see ALL games doing....
And I wasn't even refuting DarkPony, just adding an additional theory, gee whiz.
I really have no idea where you got that from.....
Some do, some do not. Most (if not all) investors are in it for the ROI. If the corps suits can spread enough elephant dust around, they can make it seem like a good investment. Thats true in just about any field, not just MMO's. Look at the banking and related sectors, and the consequences of a LOT of people being sucked into that. Usually, all it takes is some version of "Its just like World of Warcraft" to make investors eyes light up with dollar signs. Or it did, until the slide began.
Who cares SWTOR is a dull and boring MMO.
Stockholders are people who look af graphs and bank balances. They dont care about the game quality or how many people enjoy it. They care about the graphs and how much money that line is going to make them in the next 5 years.