The number as I mentioned in my previous post is most probably comlete nonsense. However, looking at the server list and the population listed, I noticed that all EU server except one are listed as heavy, while the US servers are not as populated, according to that list.
Of course, it could also be the diferent interpretation of population and what EN Masse and Frogster consider "high". I very much doubt that EN Masse has somehow a different server structure that allows for more people into their servers than the Frogster ones.
1.7 million dropping to 1.3 million in the first 4 months....is a failure. any mmo that had drops in subs in the first year has failed. If TERA has 700k in USA now, and either retains that number or increases it, then it is a success. If it drops it will fail plain and simple. mind you i am speaking of the number not the current people. SWTOR dropping 400k Subs means they failed to retain those 400k, and failed to replace them.
tera would still be just fine with 250k subs i bet probly have to merge a server or 2 but what ever floats people boat
3.5 mill at 14 a month i just rounded it between subs if they cant afford there staff with that then theres problems also what ever bills they have
You know TERA is doomed as it has the front page advertisment of mmorpg.com
I've seen Diablo and GW2 advertisements there, also WoW ones. In fact, I can't think of a game that was not advertised here, even relatively smaller titles are advertised.
As Ive said before my guild is 3rd rated on our server and yesterday we had 8 people total log on out of 380.
Many have already left and moved on... I promise you with D3 in 2 days, and TSW and GW2 to follow, by next month the game has maybe 100k paying for that first month sub if even.
Ahh yes.. this just validates the trend of this generation. They have the attention span of gnats riding the latest fad and following friends to the next fad and wanting instant gratification.
Since when a number by completely random gm said to a completely random user is a reliable source?
First of all it's not even half a month since launche so i'm a bit "skeptical" at the op's claim "it was a mid-sized launch with an increase in population as time goes on."
Increase? do you have daily subs data?
But the biggest laugh comes from the 717000 subscriptions.
11 servers. The count is based on the subscriptions since the population doesn't go up and down during different times of the day.
It lists 2 high, 3 medium and 6 low population servers. Is this a situation with 717k subscriptions?
Just by going 717k / 11 we would have 65k player subscriptions per server!!!
A server holding 65k players? (and even more for the really crowded servers)
And since most of the players log in in the evening after work (or school for others) that would mean that there had to be 30-40k players online at the same time per server?
And btw if the launch was good Enmasse or Frogster would have boasted like crazy like every other company does.
I think it's better to wait for the official and extremely lower numbers.
You forgot EU has 10 servers all of which are high.
I'd also like to add once again Sorrow is a load of lies, don't take that post seriously.
Since when a number by completely random gm said to a completely random user is a reliable source?
First of all it's not even half a month since launche so i'm a bit "skeptical" at the op's claim "it was a mid-sized launch with an increase in population as time goes on."
Increase? do you have daily subs data?
But the biggest laugh comes from the 717000 subscriptions.
11 servers. The count is based on the subscriptions since the population doesn't go up and down during different times of the day.
It lists 2 high, 3 medium and 6 low population servers. Is this a situation with 717k subscriptions?
Just by going 717k / 11 we would have 65k player subscriptions per server!!!
A server holding 65k players? (and even more for the really crowded servers)
And since most of the players log in in the evening after work (or school for others) that would mean that there had to be 30-40k players online at the same time per server?
And btw if the launch was good Enmasse or Frogster would have boasted like crazy like every other company does.
I think it's better to wait for the official and extremely lower numbers.
You forgot EU has 10 servers all of which are high.
I'd also like to add once again Sorrow is a load of lies.
Since when a number by completely random gm said to a completely random user is a reliable source?
First of all it's not even half a month since launche so i'm a bit "skeptical" at the op's claim "it was a mid-sized launch with an increase in population as time goes on."
Increase? do you have daily subs data?
But the biggest laugh comes from the 717000 subscriptions.
11 servers. The count is based on the subscriptions since the population doesn't go up and down during different times of the day.
It lists 2 high, 3 medium and 6 low population servers. Is this a situation with 717k subscriptions?
Just by going 717k / 11 we would have 65k player subscriptions per server!!!
A server holding 65k players? (and even more for the really crowded servers)
And since most of the players log in in the evening after work (or school for others) that would mean that there had to be 30-40k players online at the same time per server?
And btw if the launch was good Enmasse or Frogster would have boasted like crazy like every other company does.
I think it's better to wait for the official and extremely lower numbers.
You forgot EU has 10 servers all of which are high.
I'd also like to add once again Sorrow is a load of lies, don't take that post seriously.
Oh yes i'm 100% sure that Frogster has more subscriptions than Emasse. Really
So the 717k in NA and and even more in EU (let's say 750k).... right now Tera has almost 1,5 M subscriptions? more than Swtor
Or maybe the random gm from Enmasse had access to the exact total subscriptions number (na+eu) from a different company (Frogster) and was casually giving out that reserved info in a chat to a random guy?
yeaaaah
Pretty obvious that the 700k + subscriptions is complete bullshit.
So 1.7 and 1.2 million are considered failures when SWTOR is the subject.
But when TERA is the subject, somehow 700k is considered a success.
Irony...
Both are neither yet.
But considering how much more money EA put into commercials while Tera put so little, 700K still impressive, I would have guessed on half that number a month ago.
While TORs current trend isn´t good we wont know if either of the games are successes or not until they have been out at least a year. If either of them have a million subs then it is a huge successes and over half a million is doing fine.
TOR needs at least that half million, Tera have a lot less to do okay since it is a licensed Korean game, the real cost of developing it is in South Korea so it can probably do fine with 150K players.
Since when a number by completely random gm said to a completely random user is a reliable source?
First of all it's not even half a month since launche so i'm a bit "skeptical" at the op's claim "it was a mid-sized launch with an increase in population as time goes on."
Increase? do you have daily subs data?
But the biggest laugh comes from the 717000 subscriptions.
11 servers. The count is based on the subscriptions since the population doesn't go up and down during different times of the day.
It lists 2 high, 3 medium and 6 low population servers. Is this a situation with 717k subscriptions?
Just by going 717k / 11 we would have 65k player subscriptions per server!!!
A server holding 65k players? (and even more for the really crowded servers)
And since most of the players log in in the evening after work (or school for others) that would mean that there had to be 30-40k players online at the same time per server?
And btw if the launch was good Enmasse or Frogster would have boasted like crazy like every other company does.
I think it's better to wait for the official and extremely lower numbers.
You forgot EU has 10 servers all of which are high.
I'd also like to add once again Sorrow is a load of lies, don't take that post seriously.
Oh yes i'm 100% sure that Frogster has more subscriptions than Emasse. Really
So the 717k in NA and and even more in EU (let's say 750k).... right now Tera has almost 1,5 M subscriptions? more than Swtor
Or maybe the random gm from Enmasse had access to the exact total subscriptions number (na+eu) from a different company (Frogster) and was casually giving out that reserved info in a chat to a random guy?
yeaaaah
Pretty obvious that the 700k + subscriptions is complete bullshit.
717458... the gm trolled you hard.
I meant the 750k could be both EME and Frogsters combined subs... -.-
I also never said I believe it but made a post at the top of 9th page stating why it is plausible. En Masse customer support are notorious jokers and fun guys to talk to so it could have been a joke, one that may get him in some trouble if true.
So 1.7 and 1.2 million are considered failures when SWTOR is the subject.
But when TERA is the subject, somehow 700k is considered a success.
Irony...
Both are neither yet.
But considering how much more money EA put into commercials while Tera put so little, 700K still impressive, I would have guessed on half that number a month ago.
While TORs current trend isn´t good we wont know if either of the games are successes or not until they have been out at least a year. If either of them have a million subs then it is a huge successes and over half a million is doing fine.
TOR needs at least that half million, Tera have a lot less to do okay since it is a licensed Korean game, the real cost of developing it is in South Korea so it can probably do fine with 150K players.
It would be an amazing number for TERA. Unfortunately, it's bullshit.
I mean the 750k could be both EME and Frogsters combined subs... -.-
I also never said I believe it but made a post at the top of last page stating why it is plausible.
I really trust a random Enmasse gm to have the exact numbers down to the single digit about the subscriptions of a different company (Frogster).
Get a clue if 717k numbers were true the western Tera would dwarf K-Tera meaning we would be the main market for bluehole studio. Not to mention that if 717k wasn't bullshit right now Enmasse and Frogster would boast like crazy with proclaims and notes to the press about their huge success (and to advertise the game more) otherwise they would be complete morons.
Because of this and many other reasons the op is 100% bullshit.
I mean what do you trust more? logic and numbers or a random guy on a forum?
it seems to be all about the numbers.....i play it every now and then and loving it......no matter how many people are on it is almost always possible to find a party.
it seems to be all about the numbers.....i play it every now and then and loving it......no matter how many people are on it is almost always possible to find a party.
but hey, i just play for fun......aint that weird
You are an odd one indeed!
@Otacu - One again, may it be noted I did not say I believed it but posted why it is plausible.
I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
What... 700k would be the shit.
I'd be stoked if I was part of the team that brought in 700k.
I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
What... 700k would be the shit.
I'd be stoked if I was part of the team that brought in 700k.
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Descreth you have 20 posts and many are anti-TERA, we get you don't like the game but you can't deny 700k for a niche title would not be amazing.
That's 42m from box/online sales.
Rift has 300k subs and is doing great with regular content updates, you could also look towards Eve, you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a game needs more than 700k subs.
I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
What... 700k would be the shit.
I'd be stoked if I was part of the team that brought in 700k.
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Descreth you have 20 posts and almost all are anti-TERA, we get you don't like the game but you can't deny 700k for a niche title would not be amazing.
That's 41m from box/online sales.
Rift has 300k subs and is doing great, you could also look towards Eve, you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a game needs more than 700k subs.
I can deny that, simply because there are ads everywhere for TERA advertising it's "TRUE COMBAT" and it being "A NEW BREED OF MMO," which all are complete bull. 700k subs seems about right for this game right now, you're right that it's impressive for a pretty terrible game, but to boast about it like the OP was thinking that's the best thing in the world and looking at it in a positive way thinking the MMO will last is just not true at all.
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WoW has 10 million players and that game is terrible, but people play it over Tera because it's THE SAME GAME, only with more players - Fact.
I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
What... 700k would be the shit.
I'd be stoked if I was part of the team that brought in 700k.
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Descreth you have 20 posts and almost all are anti-TERA, we get you don't like the game but you can't deny 700k for a niche title would not be amazing.
That's 41m from box/online sales.
Rift has 300k subs and is doing great, you could also look towards Eve, you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a game needs more than 700k subs.
I can deny that, simply because there are ads everywhere for TERA advertising it's "TRUE COMBAT" and it being "A NEW BREED OF MMO," which all are complete bull. 700k subs seems about right for this game right now, you're right that it's impressive for a pretty terrible game, but to boast about it like the OP was thinking that's the best thing in the world and looking at it in a positive way thinking the MMO will last is just not true at all.
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WoW has 10 million players and that game is terrible, but people play it over Tera because it's THE SAME GAME, only with more players - Fact.
I'm pretty sure people just play WoW because it's WoW and it's also marketed beyond compare. People play WoW over almost every other game on the market for who knows how many reasons and it's not just exclusive to TERA considering every other subcription MMO combined probably just barely beats out WoW
Don't know why you all think the number is so high to be honest, 700k for the NA servers seems reasonable to me - I would only expect 300-400k on the European servers.
TERA might not have had massive publicity but it has been covered for years and there are a lot of people who like to buy to try games.
I sincerely doubt the GM lied about the numbers. And if he was giving a global count it would be well over 700k..
I'm the Hero Arborea deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Don't know why you all think the number is so high to be honest, 700k for the NA servers seems reasonable to me - I would only expect 300-400k on the European servers.
TERA might not have had massive publicity but it has been covered for years and there are a lot of people who like to buy to try games.
I sincerely doubt the GM lied about the numbers. And if he was giving a global count it would be well over 700k..
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The number as I mentioned in my previous post is most probably comlete nonsense. However, looking at the server list and the population listed, I noticed that all EU server except one are listed as heavy, while the US servers are not as populated, according to that list.
Of course, it could also be the diferent interpretation of population and what EN Masse and Frogster consider "high". I very much doubt that EN Masse has somehow a different server structure that allows for more people into their servers than the Frogster ones.
You know TERA is doomed as it has the front page advertisment of mmorpg.com
tera would still be just fine with 250k subs i bet probly have to merge a server or 2 but what ever floats people boat
3.5 mill at 14 a month i just rounded it between subs if they cant afford there staff with that then theres problems also what ever bills they have
I've seen Diablo and GW2 advertisements there, also WoW ones. In fact, I can't think of a game that was not advertised here, even relatively smaller titles are advertised.
Ahh yes.. this just validates the trend of this generation. They have the attention span of gnats riding the latest fad and following friends to the next fad and wanting instant gratification.
You forgot EU has 10 servers all of which are high.
I'd also like to add once again Sorrow is a load of lies, don't take that post seriously.
Which would still put that number at ridiculous.
Oh yes i'm 100% sure that Frogster has more subscriptions than Emasse. Really
So the 717k in NA and and even more in EU (let's say 750k).... right now Tera has almost 1,5 M subscriptions? more than Swtor
Or maybe the random gm from Enmasse had access to the exact total subscriptions number (na+eu) from a different company (Frogster) and was casually giving out that reserved info in a chat to a random guy?
yeaaaah
Pretty obvious that the 700k + subscriptions is complete bullshit.
717458... the gm trolled you hard.
Both are neither yet.
But considering how much more money EA put into commercials while Tera put so little, 700K still impressive, I would have guessed on half that number a month ago.
While TORs current trend isn´t good we wont know if either of the games are successes or not until they have been out at least a year. If either of them have a million subs then it is a huge successes and over half a million is doing fine.
TOR needs at least that half million, Tera have a lot less to do okay since it is a licensed Korean game, the real cost of developing it is in South Korea so it can probably do fine with 150K players.
I meant the 750k could be both EME and Frogsters combined subs... -.-
I also never said I believe it but made a post at the top of 9th page stating why it is plausible. En Masse customer support are notorious jokers and fun guys to talk to so it could have been a joke, one that may get him in some trouble if true.
It would be an amazing number for TERA. Unfortunately, it's bullshit.
I really trust a random Enmasse gm to have the exact numbers down to the single digit about the subscriptions of a different company (Frogster).
Get a clue if 717k numbers were true the western Tera would dwarf K-Tera meaning we would be the main market for bluehole studio. Not to mention that if 717k wasn't bullshit right now Enmasse and Frogster would boast like crazy with proclaims and notes to the press about their huge success (and to advertise the game more) otherwise they would be complete morons.
Because of this and many other reasons the op is 100% bullshit.
I mean what do you trust more? logic and numbers or a random guy on a forum?
I trust logic more.
I have no clue either way. Lets wait for some official numbers. I think they will tell us pretty soon if the numbers are good.
Agreed. Lets wait for some official numbers.
You don't think a random GM giving out an exact number for both EU and NA sounds absolutely farcicle?
Maybe, but he could have gotten an official "Wohooo!" mail from the devs with the numbers so it is not totally impossible.
it seems to be all about the numbers.....i play it every now and then and loving it......no matter how many people are on it is almost always possible to find a party.
but hey, i just play for fun......aint that weird
You are an odd one indeed!
@Otacu - One again, may it be noted I did not say I believed it but posted why it is plausible.
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I see this game going f2p regardless, because a subscription base with JUST THAT MANY? It's seriously destined to fail once the numbers decline.
Between this and swtor, and probably TSW, these games are proof that the MMORPG genre is dying and people don't want to be playing the same game over and over again, because that's all it is nowadays.
What... 700k would be the shit.
I'd be stoked if I was part of the team that brought in 700k.
Descreth you have 20 posts and many are anti-TERA, we get you don't like the game but you can't deny 700k for a niche title would not be amazing.
That's 42m from box/online sales.
Rift has 300k subs and is doing great with regular content updates, you could also look towards Eve, you clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a game needs more than 700k subs.
I can deny that, simply because there are ads everywhere for TERA advertising it's "TRUE COMBAT" and it being "A NEW BREED OF MMO," which all are complete bull. 700k subs seems about right for this game right now, you're right that it's impressive for a pretty terrible game, but to boast about it like the OP was thinking that's the best thing in the world and looking at it in a positive way thinking the MMO will last is just not true at all.
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WoW has 10 million players and that game is terrible, but people play it over Tera because it's THE SAME GAME, only with more players - Fact.
I'm pretty sure people just play WoW because it's WoW and it's also marketed beyond compare. People play WoW over almost every other game on the market for who knows how many reasons and it's not just exclusive to TERA considering every other subcription MMO combined probably just barely beats out WoW
Don't know why you all think the number is so high to be honest, 700k for the NA servers seems reasonable to me - I would only expect 300-400k on the European servers.
TERA might not have had massive publicity but it has been covered for years and there are a lot of people who like to buy to try games.
I sincerely doubt the GM lied about the numbers. And if he was giving a global count it would be well over 700k..
I'm the Hero Arborea deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Oh, so now it's 1 - 1.1 mil... with 21 servers.