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  • HricaHrica Member UncommonPosts: 1,129
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I want to apologize to all of you. 
     
    But I just can’t seem to stop having a great deal of fun playing SWTOR.  I’ve tried to be mainstream and hate it like the rest of you, but I have failed.  I simply love the game.
     
    I just finished leveling my third character to 50 and couldn’t wait to start my 4th (Gunslinger baby!). 
     
    I promise I will double my efforts being a hater and do whatever it takes to not have fun playing.  I won’t disappoint you!
     
     
     
    Ion,
    Leader of ION on the Giradda the Hutt server.

    ..ok so you like the game. You got some good stuff coming!

    server transfers, which leads to server merges and a CEO who says the game is not a top priority for development, so don't expect a xpac..sorry about that one.

    also the rumors of 200-300 mil spent to make this game? I believe a extra 0 was added through all the paid A++ reviews offical reviews

    But enjoy the game! I am glad you do..there are still people who love Warhammer online, paid or not they still play.

  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237
    Originally posted by BigHatLogan

    I couldn't make it past level 30 on 1 character.   So what exactly do you like about the game?   That was a very vague opening post.  I'm guessing not PVP or the side quests since those are blatently horrible.  My personal least favorite feature was the self resurrection.  Why even bother playing a game that easy...

    I know its hard to grasp, but just maybe he actually enjoys the game and thats why he plays. I know its hard to wrap your mind around the fact that people may find enjoyment in something you dont.

    Good for him I say.

  • KwonKwon Member UncommonPosts: 56

     

    I’ve been playing MMO’s pretty much from day 1 (Asherons Call beta anyone?) and I have played just about all of them.
     
    Some are great, some aren’t.  SWTOR is as good as any that I have played.  The game isn’t perfect, but none of them are or were.
     
    The problem with SWTOR isn’t the game itself, it’s the players.  I call them the “WoW Generation”.  WoW was their first MMO and they think they know what a good game is.  They don’t.  WoW invented just about nothing, nearly every feature of WoW (certainly so at launch) had been done before. And for full disclosure I played WoW for 6 years just like everybody else.
     
    What WoW did (and lucked into) that made it special wasn’t game quality, it was an idiot proof interface as well as being the first real MMO of the Broadband generation.  People played MMO’s primarily on dialup before WoW.  WoW was the first big game to go huge as a result.  Not because it was better than its peers or the games before it.  You old schoolers know what I mean.
     
    Now we have all these gamers running around thinking they know what a good game is, they play an MMO for a couple of months and then rage quit because it isn’t their beloved WoW.  Their “woobie” blanket.  There are/were more people playing WoW for their first MMO as all MMO players before them combined.  They are vocal and like to complain and fill these forums.  But they have no clue what a real MMO is and what to appreciate, they will continue to NEVER find a game they love because it’s never going to exist.  Nothing is as good as your first.  Unfortunately their first was a huge innovationless game that born 10 million gamers to the genre.
     
    The cold hard fact is, is there will never be a WoW type of success again, it was a onetime thing.  There is too much parity and competition for our attention now in MMO’s.  Now all games that aren’t as big as WoW are failures?  BAH!
     
    What’s the point?  Find a game you like and play it, stop whining on forums all day about games you hate when you really don’t have any idea what a good MMO is.
     
    How is that for a rant?
  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278

    I plan on levelling through at least 8 toons myself, all 16 different classes if I can stomach it to see the variations, but once all that is done, then there is nothing left to play the game for, as after that it is just throwing money away hand over fist repeating stuff and being stuck in Groundhog Day. Unless of course some real adequate content gets added, that makes the most of all those toons.

    If it gets boring or takes too long I am not going to be paying the monthly fee when can get the same enjoyment from many other single player games that do not have a monthly fee. Also with the closure of SWG before its time, it does not motivate much to go spend more time and money on game where LA is fickle, and SWTOR could be shut down just as easily too.

    SWG was worth subbing to monthly as there was more to the game than just levelling up toons, and it took a while to achieve stuff.

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  • GajariGajari Member Posts: 984

    By now, the "mainstream" crowd isn't hating on the game. The "mainstream" crowd has forgotten entirely about it.

  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I’ve been playing MMO’s pretty much from day 1 (Asherons Call beta anyone?) and I have played just about all of them.
     
    Some are great, some aren’t.  SWTOR is as good as any that I have played.  The game isn’t perfect, but none of them are or were.
     
    The problem with SWTOR isn’t the game itself, it’s the players.  I call them the “WoW Generation”.  WoW was their first MMO and they think they know what a good game is.  They don’t.  WoW invented just about nothing, nearly every feature of WoW (certainly so at launch) had been done before. And for full disclosure I played WoW for 6 years just like everybody else.
     
    What WoW did (and lucked into) that made it special wasn’t game quality, it was an idiot proof interface as well as being the first real MMO of the Broadband generation.  People played MMO’s primarily on dialup before WoW.  WoW was the first big game to go huge as a result.  Not because it was better than its peers or the games before it.  You old schoolers know what I mean.
     
    Now we have all these gamers running around thinking they know what a good game is, they play an MMO for a couple of months and then rage quit because it isn’t their beloved WoW.  Their “woobie” blanket.  There are/were more people playing WoW for their first MMO as all MMO players before them combined.  They are vocal and like to complain and fill these forums.  But they have no clue what a real MMO is and what to appreciate, they will continue to NEVER find a game they love because it’s never going to exist.  Nothing is as good as your first.  Unfortunately their first was a huge innovationless game that born 10 million gamers to the genre.
     
    The cold hard fact is, is there will never be a WoW type of success again, it was a onetime thing.  There is too much parity and competition for our attention now in MMO’s.  Now all games that aren’t as big as WoW are failures?  BAH!
     
    What’s the point?  Find a game you like and play it, stop whining on forums all day about games you hate when you really don’t have any idea what a good MMO is.
     
    How is that for a rant?

     It's pretty hypocritical to make the comments you did about WoW and "those players" yet feel the need to get up in arms about this game and those that don't care for it.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Member RarePosts: 2,749
    Originally posted by elocke

    What is your trick to slogging through all of the same content and combat style that many times?  The stories aren't THAT good. 

    Neither are the stories in any other MMO and they force you to slog through the same content and combat style many times as well.  If you're going to be obnoxious about a game that others like and you don't, at least pick an argument that doesn't have gaping holes in its logic.

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  • KrimzinKrimzin Member UncommonPosts: 687

    50 Sniper
    50 Powertech
    50 Sorc
    50 Operative
    50 Juggernaut
    24 Marauder

    But I just cant do it anymore. Completely bored with the game. If there was a better end game then I would still be playing.
    I loved leveing all the toons and the different story lines.
    I play to raid and swtor developers dont have a grasp on end game content.

    As much as I despise Blizzard.. atleast they had an abundance of Raid Content.

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  • KwonKwon Member UncommonPosts: 56

    Slacker!

    50 Guardian

    50 Sage

    50 Shadow

    50 Commando

    50 Vanguard

    50 Operative

    46 Juggernaut

    43 Sorcerer

    45 Scoundrel

    Glad to see you are enjoying yourself.

    I better pick up the pace!

  • GhabboGhabbo Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I’ve been playing MMO’s pretty much from day 1 (Asherons Call beta anyone?) and I have played just about all of them.
     
    Some are great, some aren’t.  SWTOR is as good as any that I have played.  The game isn’t perfect, but none of them are or were.
     
    The problem with SWTOR isn’t the game itself, it’s the players.  I call them the “WoW Generation”.  WoW was their first MMO and they think they know what a good game is.  They don’t.  WoW invented just about nothing, nearly every feature of WoW (certainly so at launch) had been done before. And for full disclosure I played WoW for 6 years just like everybody else.
     
    What WoW did (and lucked into) that made it special wasn’t game quality, it was an idiot proof interface as well as being the first real MMO of the Broadband generation.  People played MMO’s primarily on dialup before WoW.  WoW was the first big game to go huge as a result.  Not because it was better than its peers or the games before it.  You old schoolers know what I mean.
     
    Now we have all these gamers running around thinking they know what a good game is, they play an MMO for a couple of months and then rage quit because it isn’t their beloved WoW.  Their “woobie” blanket.  There are/were more people playing WoW for their first MMO as all MMO players before them combined.  They are vocal and like to complain and fill these forums.  But they have no clue what a real MMO is and what to appreciate, they will continue to NEVER find a game they love because it’s never going to exist.  Nothing is as good as your first.  Unfortunately their first was a huge innovationless game that born 10 million gamers to the genre.
     
    The cold hard fact is, is there will never be a WoW type of success again, it was a onetime thing.  There is too much parity and competition for our attention now in MMO’s.  Now all games that aren’t as big as WoW are failures?  BAH!
     
    What’s the point?  Find a game you like and play it, stop whining on forums all day about games you hate when you really don’t have any idea what a good MMO is.
     
    How is that for a rant?

     

    Yes, yes, let the hate flow through you... image

     

    Haven't played SWTOR so I don't have a clue if its good or not (don't like the play 'solo'  idea though), but what I do know is that your sarcasm is a form of whining... if fact, you're whining against WoW.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050

    If there was no sub fee I probably would have leveled 4 chars to the cap.  Leveling was a lot of fun in that game.  I'm sure haters would still have been there had it been B2P, but I wouldn't of had a single complaint if that was its model.

  • gladosrev2gladosrev2 Member CommonPosts: 203

    Hey, some are huge fans of The Phantom Menace :) Not everyone has to think it sucks. ;)

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  • GajariGajari Member Posts: 984
    Originally posted by Kwon
    Originally posted by Gajari

    By now, the "mainstream" crowd isn't hating on the game. The "mainstream" crowd has forgotten entirely about it.

    And by "mainstream" you are reffering to the WoW Generation who has no idea what a real MMO is.  Please continue to enjoy your iPhone and Starbucks latte...Dubstep anyone?

    By mainstream I was actually referring to most customers who have bought the game and didn't like it and set it aside. A small minority of people would ever come to forums to complain for extended period of time, and thus, people who do are not the mainstream.

    So, the OP saying that hating on the game is the 'mainstream' way to go is kinda dumb. Especially since over a million people seem to be liking it anyway.

     

  • ZylaxxZylaxx Member Posts: 2,574
    Originally posted by elocke

    What is your trick to slogging through all of the same content and combat style that many times?  The stories aren't THAT good. 

    I actually loved the main storylines.  But it got boring the 4th time through and ended my time in TOR before I could finish my 4th level 50.

     

    The lack of any endgame content didnt help either.

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  • buegurbuegur Member UncommonPosts: 457

    Still enjoying the game and will play until I enjoy it no more.  Stories, graphics and skill trees are my favorite parts of the game.  End game isn't to my liking, so I play Alts instead.  I sure wish they could of done something like DAoC did with their realm combat, but guessing its too late in the game for that. :(  Since doing Alts is my main attraction it would be nice for new content leveling them up.

    Another nice thing would be a more open enviroment with freedom to explore including the space game.  Hopefully in the future they can address that.

  • SchockeySchockey Member UncommonPosts: 58

    Well it is a good thing they made companions lol.

  • TyvolusNextTyvolusNext Member Posts: 192
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I want to apologize to all of you. 
     
    But I just can’t seem to stop having a great deal of fun playing SWTOR.  I’ve tried to be mainstream and hate it like the rest of you, but I have failed.  I simply love the game.
     
    I just finished leveling my third character to 50 and couldn’t wait to start my 4th (Gunslinger baby!). 
     
    I promise I will double my efforts being a hater and do whatever it takes to not have fun playing.  I won’t disappoint you!
     
     
     
    Ion,
    Leader of ION on the Giradda the Hutt server.

    hopefully the recent round of layoffs dont throw a wet blanket on your fun times.  glad your having fun --

  • OziiusOziius Member UncommonPosts: 1,406
    Originally posted by Hrica
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I want to apologize to all of you. 
     
    But I just can’t seem to stop having a great deal of fun playing SWTOR.  I’ve tried to be mainstream and hate it like the rest of you, but I have failed.  I simply love the game.
     
    I just finished leveling my third character to 50 and couldn’t wait to start my 4th (Gunslinger baby!). 
     
    I promise I will double my efforts being a hater and do whatever it takes to not have fun playing.  I won’t disappoint you!
     
     
     
    Ion,
    Leader of ION on the Giradda the Hutt server.

    ..ok so you like the game. You got some good stuff coming!

    server transfers, which leads to server merges and a CEO who says the game is not a top priority for development, so don't expect a xpac..sorry about that one.

    also the rumors of 200-300 mil spent to make this game? I believe a extra 0 was added through all the paid A++ reviews offical reviews

    But enjoy the game! I am glad you do..there are still people who love Warhammer online, paid or not they still play.

    Can you show where the CEO said that? I'm not saying he did or didn't, as I didn't see anything like that, but I'd like to see if he actually said that.  Be sure to post where you read about no xpacs also. Thanks. 

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910

    I haven't read the entire thread. Has anyone made a hipster joke yet?

    I'm not going to make one because that's mainstream and I don't do that.

    ha ha

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by Kwon

     

    I want to apologize to all of you. 
     
    But I just can’t seem to stop having a great deal of fun playing SWTOR.  I’ve tried to be mainstream and hate it like the rest of you, but I have failed.  I simply love the game.
     
    I just finished leveling my third character to 50 and couldn’t wait to start my 4th (Gunslinger baby!). 
     
    I promise I will double my efforts being a hater and do whatever it takes to not have fun playing.  I won’t disappoint you!
     
     
     
    Ion,
    Leader of ION on the Giradda the Hutt server.

    Eh? Be a man and stand for your opinion! Don't let yourself be thwarted even in the face of thousands opposing you!

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  • MMOarQQMMOarQQ Member Posts: 636

    OP must play with a good group of people. That's all I can think of to explain his resolve without any negative bias.

  • KwonKwon Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    I haven't read the entire thread. Has anyone made a hipster joke yet?

    I'm not going to make one because that's mainstream and I don't do that.

    ha ha

    Thats actually pretty good.

  • MetentsoMetentso Member UncommonPosts: 1,437

    Damn, the OP just owned all of us.

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  • elockeelocke Member UncommonPosts: 4,335
    Originally posted by Vorthanion
    Originally posted by elocke

    What is your trick to slogging through all of the same content and combat style that many times?  The stories aren't THAT good. 

    Neither are the stories in any other MMO and they force you to slog through the same content and combat style many times as well.  If you're going to be obnoxious about a game that others like and you don't, at least pick an argument that doesn't have gaping holes in its logic.

    No, your logic fails here.  None of the other games touted STORY as their 4th pillar and reason for being new and innovative, the way SWTOR has and did.  Try again.

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