The fact that "Story" is not part of this mmoRPG review tells me that it is not honest.
In fact, im seeing more than a few rather important MMORPG features not a part of this review...no wonder its getting a 7.7
If you leave out a lot of bad or bland, every game is good...
I'm guessing you didn't read the other four parts of his review?
I'm guessing that you didn't read this review where it says at the beginning "over the course of four previous Review in Progress articles. See exhibits A, B, C, and D"...
heh
This is a standalone review...one that doesnt even mention the WORD story in it as well as other game aspects because it would have taken the 7.7 and made it a little lower...like 5.7
Anyone rating the story higher than 1 is insane...it didnt even get good ratings in Korea, Japan or China where it may have made sense. So yeah...reviewing an mmoRPG and not even mentioning the story at all...once...
Reviews in progress are reviews that are not finished yet. Together, they make a finished review. So yes, I am guessing you didn't read those parts.
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But hey I'm not judging in fact I feel sorry for you, you are just one more victim of our governments slave class mentality agenda public education conditioning program. Sadly you may not even be the first generation, we now have 3 generations that have been educated to be non thinking, compliant, worker drones.
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I agree except giving TERA a higher score.. because of actual content.. Sure SWTOR game itself was bleh but had a ton more going for it than TERA content wise at launch and considering how long TERA has actually existed... Overall both games to me are pretty meh but i'd rate SWTOR over TERA as of now sadly.. still trying to get a bit higher in TERA to make a better observation though. But in SWTOR i really had a ton more to do at the current stage of the game I'm currently at in TERA.
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The fact that "Story" is not part of this mmoRPG review tells me that it is not honest.
In fact, im seeing more than a few rather important MMORPG features not a part of this review...no wonder its getting a 7.7
If you leave out a lot of bad or bland, every game is good...
I'm guessing you didn't read the other four parts of his review?
I'm guessing that you didn't read this review where it says at the beginning "over the course of four previous Review in Progress articles. See exhibits A, B, C, and D"...
heh
This is a standalone review...one that doesnt even mention the WORD story in it as well as other game aspects because it would have taken the 7.7 and made it a little lower...like 5.7
Anyone rating the story higher than 1 is insane...it didnt even get good ratings in Korea, Japan or China where it may have made sense. So yeah...reviewing an mmoRPG and not even mentioning the story at all...once...
Reviews in progress are reviews that are not finished yet. Together, they make a finished review. So yes, I am guessing you didn't read those parts.
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"Our Official TERA Review"
This is the offical review. Nothing else before it matters. This, is the offical word on the game.
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No, this is a summary of the previous 4 reviews in progress. This is not a standalone review, hence why the OP included the links to the 4 previous reviews in progress. Go read the other 4 articles. If you want to include story, that would get a 1 and bring the overall score down. We can do that if you want......
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The fact that "Story" is not part of this mmoRPG review tells me that it is not honest.
In fact, im seeing more than a few rather important MMORPG features not a part of this review...no wonder its getting a 7.7
If you leave out a lot of bad or bland, every game is good...
I'm guessing you didn't read the other four parts of his review?
I'm guessing that you didn't read this review where it says at the beginning "over the course of four previous Review in Progress articles. See exhibits A, B, C, and D"...
heh
This is a standalone review...one that doesnt even mention the WORD story in it as well as other game aspects because it would have taken the 7.7 and made it a little lower...like 5.7
Anyone rating the story higher than 1 is insane...it didnt even get good ratings in Korea, Japan or China where it may have made sense. So yeah...reviewing an mmoRPG and not even mentioning the story at all...once...
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"Our Official TERA Review"
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No, this is a summary of the previous 4 reviews in progress. This is not a standalone review, hence why the OP included the links to the 4 previous reviews in progress. Go read the other 4 articles. If you want to include story, that would get a 1 and bring the overall score down. We can do that if you want......
Story is included in gameplay. That's where they put it in SWTOR's and Rift's reviews, at least.
No, this is a summary of the previous 4 reviews in progress. This is not a standalone review, hence why the OP included the links to the 4 previous reviews in progress. Go read the other 4 articles.
You just called this a summary of a 4 part review...a summary.
A summary that is leaving out key gameplay elements to apply a score with a summary of a 4 part review.
And you are defending this how? Or are you supporting me in saying this is not an honest review because they are leavingout key points while applying its score...lol...afterall, this is a summary of a 4 page review and there is no mention of the story or other key gameplay issues not in...the summary...where they are giving a rating and why its getting the rating.
5 paragraph summary of gameplay for a rating of 8...a 5 paragraph summary leaving out the most negative aspects...
it isnt honest no matter the spin. There is no mention of the most negative aspects on the final, separate article, where ratings are being applied and the information about the worst parts of the game is being excluded.
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I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
No, this is a summary of the previous 4 reviews in progress. This is not a standalone review, hence why the OP included the links to the 4 previous reviews in progress. Go read the other 4 articles.
You just called this a summary of a 4 part review...a summary.
A summary that is leaving out key gameplay elements to apply a score with a summary of a 4 part review.
And you are defending this how? Or are you supporting me in saying this is not an honest review because they are leavingout key points while applying its score...lol...afterall, this is a summary of a 4 page review and there is no mention of the story or other key gameplay issues not in...the summary...where they are giving a rating and why its getting the rating.
5 paragraph summary of gameplay for a rating of 8...a 5 paragraph summary leaving out the most negative aspects...
it isnt honest no matter the spin. There is no mention of the most negative aspects on the final, separate article, where ratings are being applied and the information about the worst parts of the game is being excluded.
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Just because you're too lazy to read the rest of the review doesn't mean its dishonest or Bill didn't mention those parts. Good job defending your position with laziness though.
The score seems fair...frankly I'm not as impressed by "True Action Combat" as others...both boss fights in the video pretty much consisted of stand there, spam your best DPS/TPS rotation, stay the hell outta aoes. block whenever he looks like he's gonna swing.
Which matches my own personal experience in beta, and is why I didn't get the game. I felt the pacing was nice, and I can see the niceness of the tab key going away, but I didn't feel like the game made was much out of it's "real-time moving combat" as it could have.
All the same "slightly better than average" seems fair. Very pretty, mindbogglingly dull quests, fun combat, but I felt like it all got old fast.
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Thank you for the review. If SWTOR is a 8.7 and this is 7.7, then I would rather spend my time gargling broken glass then playing this game. I appreciate being steered away from TERA, thanks again.
This really should have been labeled something other then review. because lets face it, neither of you hit max lvl and are working on the great grind and have even seen half the dungeons. especially the higher ones that are done so well. Otherwise i find this fantastic.
really sick of reviewers not playing through a game and labeling it such and such.
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Originally posted by Vaultar Pretty much what I have expected. I never understood all those threads titled "The future is not GW2 or TSW, the future is TERA!!" or similar..
Like I always said and I will say it again: Great combat and graphics =/= an amazing long-term mmorpg like many TERA fans make it out to be.
I never understood "The future is..." threads at all. What game is really going to forever change the future of MMOs?
My favorite posts are the '7.7 is way too low, reviewer must be biased..its at least an 8.5!!' Most aspects of TERA are mediocre. If i get a bunch of Cs and Ds on exams and manage an A and a B along with them, its still going to only average out to a C+
One has to wonder if Tera had had the backing of some bigshot publisher. Would they have gotten a higher score. Blue Hole, EnMasse and Frogster are all nothing in the gaming industry. Now I don't care for the score what so ever, since I found the game not to be worth my time, but rarely does a polished game get below an 8 here.
For a mediocre run-of-the-mill completely safe and standard with a unique gimmick (combat/vanarchs) or two AAA subscription based MMO, it is very good.
i like how unique combat is labelled a gimmick here. lol
I see that things here haven't changed since the last time I posted. xD
Although I think that the review needs a couple of edits for grammar / typos, I agree with it. The combat is entertaining, the BAM fights can be amazing, the community on Celestial Hills is about average (but certainly not bad IMO), and so on. If I wrote a review for Tera, this one contains essentially what I would say.
The questing system is really, really old hat, and that's my biggest complaint with Tera. They need to do something to fix that, but that is something that's entirely possible to change for the better. It does not need voice acting, but it does need to be more dynamic.
The game play is what matters the most. There can be tons of story (ahem), but it's not going to go far without solid game play to back it up. It's like what we see on other review sites for other games. Game issues can be forgiven as long the game is fun to actually play (that ultimately being the whole point), and that's where I see Tera at right now.
edit: Speaking of grammar issues, this post needs some edits too.. but I'm too lazy and it's 2:30 AM, so it stays this way. Forever. :P
Is action combat in TERA an actual departure from DCUO?
yes, very much different. i liked Tera's and i could kill mobs of much higher level because of how skill based it is.
after the initial feeling that DCUO was different and action based, it started to play out very much like the usual RPG combat where your personal skills aren't nearly as much of a factor in combat as the level of the mobs/players you are fighting. in the end DCUO felt like just another RPG to me, and i hated it it. also there was the whole aiming assist thing in DCUO, that made evation thru player movements pretty useless.
This really should have been labeled something other then review. because lets face it, neither of you hit max lvl and are working on the great grind and have even seen half the dungeons. especially the higher ones that are done so well. Otherwise i find this fantastic.
really sick of reviewers not playing through a game and labeling it such and such.
If game does not catch you after amount of time the reviewer has put into it I don't really see a point why should he go through all this tedium to get into 'fun stuff'? To me that screams horrible and outdated game design and justifies the score.
Anyone checking out the game won't play to the max level and get to those good things unless the leveling process can keep him interested, which seemingly was not the case here.
Reviews are just opinions. Although giving scores to opinions is another really outdated thing to do, it tends to generate nice 'discussion'..
You know. People might like or not like TERA, it's really a matter of taste. But it does bring a couple of things most people want more MMO makers to be bringing in their games: Super fun engaging combat, which translates in superfun engaging healing - first game I ever play with no shortage of healers. And uncompromising top notch graphics that suck you in without catering to the lowest common denominator machines to play it. Questing we all agree is old style and something they better work with in the future.
But let's face it, 7.7 using this new score since last summer - when they gave Champions Online: The posterchild of mediocrity and sloppy carelessly put together MMOs (and I enjoyed the game too) was givena 7.8.
They can say oh, different reviewers, but they are both mmorpg reviews using the same criteria - are they going to keep deprecating the value of their reviews because it's different reviewers? Please. It's just embarrasing for them to give a game that performs well and bring solid fun stable gameplay to the table while Champs - of all games gets a 7.8
Really. C'mon. Only reason fair minded people could put those two together and not decide to reevaluate their score is pride.
For a mediocre run-of-the-mill completely safe and standard with a unique gimmick (combat/vanarchs) or two AAA subscription based MMO, it is very good.
i like how unique combat is labelled a gimmick here. lol
Just like AOC's combat gimmick.
Or Rift's gimmick of Rifts.
Same pig, new lipstick.
And that lipstick always wears off.
This genre needs some fundamental shifts in design, not 1-2 changes and the rest cut-and-paste from WoW/EQ.
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I agree except giving TERA a higher score.. because of actual content.. Sure SWTOR game itself was bleh but had a ton more going for it than TERA content wise at launch and considering how long TERA has actually existed... Overall both games to me are pretty meh but i'd rate SWTOR over TERA as of now sadly.. still trying to get a bit higher in TERA to make a better observation though. But in SWTOR i really had a ton more to do at the current stage of the game I'm currently at in TERA.
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No, this is a summary of the previous 4 reviews in progress. This is not a standalone review, hence why the OP included the links to the 4 previous reviews in progress. Go read the other 4 articles. If you want to include story, that would get a 1 and bring the overall score down. We can do that if you want......
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Story is included in gameplay. That's where they put it in SWTOR's and Rift's reviews, at least.
You just called this a summary of a 4 part review...a summary.
A summary that is leaving out key gameplay elements to apply a score with a summary of a 4 part review.
And you are defending this how? Or are you supporting me in saying this is not an honest review because they are leavingout key points while applying its score...lol...afterall, this is a summary of a 4 page review and there is no mention of the story or other key gameplay issues not in...the summary...where they are giving a rating and why its getting the rating.
5 paragraph summary of gameplay for a rating of 8...a 5 paragraph summary leaving out the most negative aspects...
it isnt honest no matter the spin. There is no mention of the most negative aspects on the final, separate article, where ratings are being applied and the information about the worst parts of the game is being excluded.
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I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Just because you're too lazy to read the rest of the review doesn't mean its dishonest or Bill didn't mention those parts. Good job defending your position with laziness though.
Lol, fight a BAM and do a dungeon. Ya nothing new with those. Really was hoping to like this game, but I would give it a 5 and thats being nice.
The score seems fair...frankly I'm not as impressed by "True Action Combat" as others...both boss fights in the video pretty much consisted of stand there, spam your best DPS/TPS rotation, stay the hell outta aoes. block whenever he looks like he's gonna swing.
Which matches my own personal experience in beta, and is why I didn't get the game. I felt the pacing was nice, and I can see the niceness of the tab key going away, but I didn't feel like the game made was much out of it's "real-time moving combat" as it could have.
All the same "slightly better than average" seems fair. Very pretty, mindbogglingly dull quests, fun combat, but I felt like it all got old fast.
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I think a lot of people saw this game somewhere between a score of 7 and 8, especially with the buzz about the old questing experience.
Thank you for the review. If SWTOR is a 8.7 and this is 7.7, then I would rather spend my time gargling broken glass then playing this game. I appreciate being steered away from TERA, thanks again.
With all due respect, and remember I said with all due respect, that ain't worth a velvet painting of a dolphin and whale getting it on.
This really should have been labeled something other then review. because lets face it, neither of you hit max lvl and are working on the great grind and have even seen half the dungeons. especially the higher ones that are done so well. Otherwise i find this fantastic.
really sick of reviewers not playing through a game and labeling it such and such.
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Like I always said and I will say it again:
Great combat and graphics =/= an amazing long-term mmorpg like many TERA fans make it out to be.
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
I never understood "The future is..." threads at all. What game is really going to forever change the future of MMOs?
My favorite posts are the '7.7 is way too low, reviewer must be biased..its at least an 8.5!!' Most aspects of TERA are mediocre. If i get a bunch of Cs and Ds on exams and manage an A and a B along with them, its still going to only average out to a C+
One has to wonder if Tera had had the backing of some bigshot publisher. Would they have gotten a higher score. Blue Hole, EnMasse and Frogster are all nothing in the gaming industry. Now I don't care for the score what so ever, since I found the game not to be worth my time, but rarely does a polished game get below an 8 here.
i like how unique combat is labelled a gimmick here. lol
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I see that things here haven't changed since the last time I posted. xD
Although I think that the review needs a couple of edits for grammar / typos, I agree with it. The combat is entertaining, the BAM fights can be amazing, the community on Celestial Hills is about average (but certainly not bad IMO), and so on. If I wrote a review for Tera, this one contains essentially what I would say.
The questing system is really, really old hat, and that's my biggest complaint with Tera. They need to do something to fix that, but that is something that's entirely possible to change for the better. It does not need voice acting, but it does need to be more dynamic.
The game play is what matters the most. There can be tons of story (ahem), but it's not going to go far without solid game play to back it up. It's like what we see on other review sites for other games. Game issues can be forgiven as long the game is fun to actually play (that ultimately being the whole point), and that's where I see Tera at right now.
edit: Speaking of grammar issues, this post needs some edits too.. but I'm too lazy and it's 2:30 AM, so it stays this way. Forever. :P
yes, very much different. i liked Tera's and i could kill mobs of much higher level because of how skill based it is.
after the initial feeling that DCUO was different and action based, it started to play out very much like the usual RPG combat where your personal skills aren't nearly as much of a factor in combat as the level of the mobs/players you are fighting. in the end DCUO felt like just another RPG to me, and i hated it it. also there was the whole aiming assist thing in DCUO, that made evation thru player movements pretty useless.
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If game does not catch you after amount of time the reviewer has put into it I don't really see a point why should he go through all this tedium to get into 'fun stuff'? To me that screams horrible and outdated game design and justifies the score.
Anyone checking out the game won't play to the max level and get to those good things unless the leveling process can keep him interested, which seemingly was not the case here.
Reviews are just opinions. Although giving scores to opinions is another really outdated thing to do, it tends to generate nice 'discussion'..
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You know. People might like or not like TERA, it's really a matter of taste. But it does bring a couple of things most people want more MMO makers to be bringing in their games: Super fun engaging combat, which translates in superfun engaging healing - first game I ever play with no shortage of healers. And uncompromising top notch graphics that suck you in without catering to the lowest common denominator machines to play it. Questing we all agree is old style and something they better work with in the future.
But let's face it, 7.7 using this new score since last summer - when they gave Champions Online: The posterchild of mediocrity and sloppy carelessly put together MMOs (and I enjoyed the game too) was givena 7.8.
They can say oh, different reviewers, but they are both mmorpg reviews using the same criteria - are they going to keep deprecating the value of their reviews because it's different reviewers? Please. It's just embarrasing for them to give a game that performs well and bring solid fun stable gameplay to the table while Champs - of all games gets a 7.8
Really. C'mon. Only reason fair minded people could put those two together and not decide to reevaluate their score is pride.
Just like AOC's combat gimmick.
Or Rift's gimmick of Rifts.
Same pig, new lipstick.
And that lipstick always wears off.
This genre needs some fundamental shifts in design, not 1-2 changes and the rest cut-and-paste from WoW/EQ.