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Roleplayers, please..
azrael466
Member Posts: 365
Let me start off by saying, this isn't a "troll" or a "flamebait", Yes it may piss off or annoy some people: I'm well aware of this and I will do my best to use word and phrase choices that may minimize this when possible but also note there are a few things that if censored defeat the entire purpose.
PLEASE STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR IMMERSION.
It seems, anytime anything goes on in a game, the RPers complain about "but mah imerzons". Yes, people who have names like "moar dotz" are idiots, but no one but you cares about your precious immersion, frankly if your immersion can be broken so easily, you're probably not a very good RPer go begin with.
Now, you might be thinking "Oh I bet he doesn't even RP" or "I bet all his character names are stupid things like lolroguelol"
You're wrong on both counts. Every MMO that I like the story and feel of, I roleplay in - I roleplayed in EQ, I roleplayed in city of heroes, I roleplayed in SWTOR and I will roleplay in TSW, also even if I'm not roleplaying - like in WoW - I still KIND of roleplay. I give my characters personalities, and names that fit that personality, I answer questions in game as if I were my character, passive roleplay, rather then active if you will.
HOWEVER, "but, but, my immersion" is the weakest excuse to ask for something in an MMO, even worse then PVPers bitching about balance or PVErs bitching about everything else.
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
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in these next gen games the problem with immersion is,when you see that xxSuperTurboxx player,problem is you cant attack them anymore you cant smash their head to pieces right away,role players are not allowed to express themselves anymore in any way and which is really sad ,WoW is starting to look like true Hardcore sandbox these days.
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But like I said, if your immersion can be broken simply by someone having a name that doesn't fit YOUR standards of naming convension, that means you're bad at roleplaying.
If I changed my name, my REAL NAME to "lawlzusux" or "lock N' dotz" will your real life immersion be broken? what will you do then?
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
In the guild Im part of in Mortal Online, we have a RPK division, an army division, a crafter division, and a roleplay division. The people in the guild are mature enough to respect each others playstyle and often rely on each other to enhance their gameplay.
I am part of the roleplay division and we make an appoint not to make it too heavy when the non-rp'ers are participating in some event and even invite them to join in if they feel compelled. All too often roleplayers are too stuffy and rely on rules instead of breaking the tension and opening up their roleplay so it can actually become immersive.
So perhaps OP, you are in the wrong game. Or are surrounding yourself with the wrong people. It helps alot if you find people who are somewhat like you and can respect and foster your style of gameplay without trying to push their style of play on you.
EDIT :Let me give you an example... We recently held duel-night with light-RP. 90% of the participants were non-RP-ers. The ringmaster(who was an RP'er) said a prayer to our god and then was announcing matchups in character by giving the names and weights of who was fighting next. The fighters actually got into it and began roleplaying a bit also. In total it was a light RP event we held to bring both playstyles together and both groups ended up having fun because of it.
Just something I noticed in my time in MMOs, and being a part of the community as a whole. Yes the stupid people are often the loudest, but perhaps the decent folk are now the minority? I purpose that if you have to look that hard for the "right type of people", then they must be the minority.
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
Others being stupid is relative to your own intelligence. If you are more intelligent than most than you will find more stupid people around you. If you are less intelligent you will find alot of smart people around you.
Intelligence is not only IQ though,,, there is emotional intelligence, social intelligence, etc. I think tolerence sometimes comes with age, and may fall into the social intelligence realm. Mature RP'ers and non-rp'ers can learn to respect each other and even rely on each other to enhance their own gameplay.
You can test that,try if you want to.
change you real name to "Baby Raper" and try how it works out. "Nazi Hitler " if you live at EU , or "king Osama Bin Laden" might work really well at USA,just use your imagination.
World is bit different than computer game worlds.
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and, isn't the entire point of getting immersed to feel like your actually a part of the world the game takes place in? People name their kids stupid things in real life too, you know Like ABCDE or nevaeh - and they ALWAYS tell you that its "heaven" spelled backwords. Thats my entire point.
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
Like someone said above, the best roleplayers make their own immersion. In addition, the best roleplayers are usually down to earth and you can also have normal conversations with them as it becomes 2nd nature to jump in and out of character.
Well I didnt think it was just role players that complained about something breaking their immersion. Not at all. So I dont know why the OP is calling out role players for primarily making this an issue.
When gamers play a game, with a good one, you can get totally lost in it. To an extent you can forget you are sitting in a chair. You forget you are in a room. You arent even paying attention to anything around you except whats on screen. You've been sucked into the world. You've escaped. Your brain is totally engaged. This can take awhile too.
First you sit down, and start playing. You are sipping on a cola or tea. You are aware of this. Half an hour later that drink has been forgotten as well as just about everything else.
That is until that loading screen occurs. Suddenly you snap back into reality. Which can be kind of unpleasant because then it takes you awhile longer to really get back into the game, until something else happens that whack. Snaps you back out of it. That can be arguably healthy actually......or not. Thats another discussion.
Regardless, imagine if you were enjoying an amazing hologram session in the Star Trek universe. You're defending the Alamo. Man this is intense. Then the door opens and your wife says dinner is in half an hour. " Okaaay.....sigh....thanks." then back to the battle. Dinner forgotten. 2 min later your wife peaks her head back in as you are in mid fight with a Mexican soldier and she says, " Hon did you take out the trash?" . " YES I TOOK IT OUT! ". After a stern look from her you got back to firing the cannon as the surge comes towards the walls. " Hon? Dinner is ready. " .
Immersion broken 3 times. Sucks. And while its not as intense as that its close. Immersion can be a problem for roleplayers or anyone. Its not role player specific in any way. When a game does something that causes you to sit there blinking and taken out of the world, its never a good thing. I've never found it game breaking in the least. Just sometimes a little unpleasant.
Well... at least you said please... But bitching about people that bitch is really silly. On top of that, people aren't professional actors so I would expect tons of different things to break their immersion.
Mostly when I read about people complaining about immersion there are very specific elements they wish to be addressed. For me, if I'm playing a game claiming to be an RPG but there is no actual room for me to perform any of my characters rolls or the tools are absent to allow me to perform them then, I think that's a problem.
Like in SWTOR you can choose the smuggler class, but can you really be a smuggler?
Kind of annoying.
Mostly these games that claim they are RPG's, MMO's or not, usually have very little immersion. I've already started table top D&D, and guess who doesn't have to deal with invisible walls and fake buildings with no entrance... Rhetorical of course.
Most people are of average intelligence so I'm guessing that when someone complains about something, there's actually something wrong. Basically if someone has concerns, I want to hear about it, even if it might not concern me.
I care as much about your opinion as you do about my immersion.
I swear by your pretty little floral bonnet that 3 times is the charm. After that I'd be a little more than upset if the 4th wasn't important.
Well ,in real world im able to to express my self in infinite ways.
But in todays RPG´s theres no tools for that,only way could be to name my avatar " i hate Osama Bin Laden".
And im not really getting immersed by that kind of playing.
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Just out of curiosity, OP, are you playing on a RP server? If not, ignore the rest of this.
If you are, keep in mind that you're in the part of the game that was intentionally set aside for the RPers, and if you're not a RPer yourself, you're pretty much a guest. Now, I understand that in the past, non-RPers will play on RP servers just because they're generally low on the douchebaggery. Not all of them, but certainly not like, say, PvP servers. There's usually an unspoken agreement there. RPers do their thing and non-RPers do their's, and everyone gets along. Naming conventions have always been a big deal on RP servers, and it's not unreasonable to ask that people respect them. It's sort of a "house rule" thing. It's like showing up at a restaurant with a dress code wearing a t-shirt, hat, and flipflops. Does it directly interfere with the other patrons' meal? Probably not, but it's still annoying.
Again, if this isn't a specific RP server, disregard. RPers also need to respect that if they're playing on a non-RP specific server, they're subject to the mores and tendencies of the server community at large as well.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
"Let me start off by saying, this isn't a "troll" or a "flamebait", Yes it may piss off or annoy some people: I'm well aware of this and I will do my best to use word and phrase choices that may minimize this when possible but also note there are a few things that if censored defeat the entire purpose."
Stopped reading here as it was clear it was definitely intended as a flamebait post and should be shut down.
Well its a legit point of opinion thats at least worth discussing. However Im puzzled why the OP thought to target role players with this immersion fussing. Because as far as I know thats hardly the case.
Gamers of all sorts complain about that issue. Its a kind of partially universal issue with some games regarding gamers opinons of it in general.
In other words "immersion" is not just a role player factor. Its a factor for gamers in general. More so, its a fairly important one. Role player or not.
* ** *** ******** Next gen vs Old school immersion killer name simulator V1.0 (beta) *********** *** ** *
1.next gw2 beta test,name your character as GWplayersaregay.
2.play as normal,do quests and stuff.
3.you will notice that people likes you,they help you with quests ,they wont attack you because they like you,or? because they cant or ?
1.Make account to Ultima Online,name your character as UltimaOnlineplayersaregay.
2.play as normal,do stuff.
3.You will notice that it doesnt work like it in GW2,because people have tools to express themselves.
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Thats kind of ignorant. I put that there because it seems like everytime I speak my opinion someone whines to a mod saying "mommy, mommy, the big man is trolling!', so I've started putting such disclaimers because it seems to minimize that.
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
Personally, I've never ONCE heard a non roleplayer complain about "breaking immersion" normally its a roleplayer complaining about a game lacking features they want because "not being able to do X breaks my immersion" OR just complaining about name policies "Someone being able to name their character whatever they want breaks my immersion!"
The last point is the one that honestly pisses me off the most, because YOU do not dictate my character nor his backstory. For instance, say I'm playing world of warcraft on a roleplay server. I write a NOVEL LENGTH BACKSTORY that explains -everything- about the character, his name, his history with the world, everything - Part of that history includes him being named..Lets say, table - His an orc or a troll who is apart of a tribe that names their children after the first thing that child "kills", this child broke a table as his first "kill", so thats what they named him.
Due, largely to people with poor sense of immersion, I may be FORCED to change my characters name, there by forcing me to change a key part of his story.
Just an example. I am, however, also annoyed by RPers who straight up DEMAND something be put into the game or taken away from the game just to facilitate them - Just as I'm annoyed by PVPers who demand nerfs/buffs to facilitate their class under the guise of "BALANCE!!!"
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WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
Would be nice if role players had a server with a strictly enforced ruleset. Not only would it permanently kick people who create characters with names such as "chunknorrrrriz9001", but would also include such gems as removing things such as experience bars from the UI, no more floating names above any person or NPCs heads, and no global chat options at all.
I mean that sounds like a role players paradise to me. Don't like it, well then go play on the regular PVE server or what have you.
Also I find role playing in an MMORPG silly as the entire game from the menus, to stats, to how many weapons fit in a small pouch to be terrible for immersion.
I know, right? Role playing in a role playing game... Silliest thing I ever heard.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
A bad post. I cannot think of any MMORPG that does role playing well, especially in the ways I describe above what you quoted.
Sure, the acronym has Role Playing covered. I can name my pet turtle Elvis but I don't think that will make him a hit singer.
So yeah, just because it sounds like it should be good, doesn't mean it is. Silliest thing you ever heard, I know.
"PLEASE STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR IMMERSION."
And you said my post calling you out as to why you REALLY posted this was ignorant. HA. yeah, you might want to not insult people and not post flamebait posts and then people won't call you a troll. Simple really.