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Must stop piracy and second-hand sales! Wait...what about
Trolldefender99
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Ebay
One can get many new and old games off ebay for really really cheap. I got Skyrim for 5 dollars on Ebay, I got Kingdoms of Amalur for 12 dollars and a whole bunch of other games. (edit) Also, that was in new condition as well I should add, never used (end edit)
Why are companies ignoring ebay? But going after everyone else?
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Good question...
My guess is that Ebay won't assume responsibility for any of it's postings, so long as none of them are actively breaking any real laws. Unlike youtube, who can be pressured into removing videos it hosts if a company so much as gives them the evil eye. There is probably no point in going after individual posters if the service won't take the fall for it.
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Gamming companies are idiots. The goal should be to sell as many copies at possible, not stop piracy. Piracy doesn't cost you anything, making shit DRM that turns away poeple that would have bought your game does.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Well if you pirated the game they wouldn't have bought it any ways. So what difference does it make?
This is so true. I just spent an hour trying to find a way to get Shogun 2 without having to install Steam or start a Steam account as I consider Steam to be malware.
The only possible way to play the offline version of Shogun 2 without Steam is by pirating it. Its absurd.
@ForTheCity, I was in the shop with the box in hand and money ready when the guy told me I had to create a Steam account even to play offline so I didn't buy obviously. The idea that only people who wouldn't buy would pirate is untrue.
This is not true, theres plenty of people who pirate games who would buy them if they couldnt pirate them, there called cheap assholes.
So in other words, you have absolutley no idea what malware is, gotcha.
Heres a hint, malware isnt software you dont like.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Lol hostile poster detected.
As I said I consider Steam to be malware. I consider it malware because of the way it functions internally in my computer and the potential for the steam process to conflict with other proceses in my system and to prevent me from running software I have legitimately purchased in the event that their servers are affected. Therefore I won't buy games that are steam only. I don't care what your definition of malware is. Next.
Gonna have to go with Warmaster on this one. Your attempt to misuse the word Malware is intentionally misleading and defaming just because you don't like the software... that or you have absolutely no idea what malware is...
mal·ware
[mal-wair] Show IPAnoun Computers . software intended to damage a computer, computer system, or computer network, or to take partial control over its operation:
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However, some malware is disguised as genuine software, and may come from an official company website. An example would be software used for harmless purposes that also includes tracking software to gather marketing statistics for advertising by the software producer.
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Description: SteamService.exe is located in a subfolder of "C:Program FilesCommon Files". Known file sizes on Windows 7/XP are 411,432 bytes (16% of all occurrence), 407,336 bytes and 9 more variants.
The program is not visible. It is a Verisign signed file. The file has a digital signature. SteamService.exe is not a Windows core file. SteamService.exe is able to monitor applications. Therefore the technical security rating is 21% dangerous, however also read the users reviews.
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As for defamatory remarks, I didn't say Steam IS Malware, I said I consider it malware because of the way it behaves.
Posting in a thread where steam is supposedly malware except not by the definitions the guy claiming so linked himself.
Are you denying that steam takes over partial control of your system (your ability to run your software on your system) and monitors and or collects data from your system?
As I understand it, software purchased on physical media can be re-sold by the purchaser. For example, if I sold a copy of Dungeon Siege on the original CDs that I legally purchased, it's my understanding that this is lawful (not copyright infringement since I didn't duplicate the works).
Buying one copy and selling burned CDs with my CD key wouldn't be legal, as I understand it. That infringes the copyright.
Digital download copies are another matter because there isn't physical media. I don't know how that works.
Saying it actually is malware and saying you consider it malware are one in the same. Not only that, but you're defending the accusations by posting half-definitions of the term itself. Monitoring is not damaging. And you'd figure they would monitor, there's been plenty of performance statisftics surverys I personally have participated in, and I figured the only way to gather that data was if Steam itself could monitor.
Steam is only monitoring performance statistics like most cleints do. Ever seen the crashes where they want to send the crash information? Similar to that. Steam isn't gaining access to your computer system or allowing anyone else access. They aren't disrupting your services or damaging the contents of your computer. Steam is set up to purchase titles, and have it opened when playing those titles. Steam is hostile in no way as software.
Malware isn't monitoring, it's damaging. Monitoring isn't malicious. Where do you think the Mal in malware comes from.
In the US this is correct, under the first sale doctrine, though there's a gray area thanks to recent rulings by certain judges, where they said it only applies to copyright products produced in the US. According to them, copyright products produced in foreign countries don't fall under this ruling and can't be legally resold.
The supreme court is going to visit whether it will be legal to continue reselling copyrighted products produced in foreign countries.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/scotus-first-sale-revisted/
As for reselling digital media, there is a petition to give consumers the same rights for digital media that they have with physical media. It's called Circle Section.
http://www.change.org/petitions/circle-section-copyright-registration-for-consumer-media
I will agree there are these people but, imo, the vast majority of pirate anrt them. I still say your goiong to lose more poeple that don't want to have there games online 100% of the time and/or don't want to deal with your shitty DRM, then you will gain by having that DRM. Personally there are a number of games I have not bought because of crappy DRM, after I bought a couple with DRM that either lagged my system or just didn't let me play the game.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Every company that provides computer / internet services do that. And we agree to those terms of service before signing up.
^ Truth.
And Steam doesn't take over partial system by denying you to run software without it installed. When you purchase a title through Steam, you are required to open Steam to play it. Consider it a hub.
Under that kind of thinking, I'm assuming OnLive is malware as well. It has to be. I can't play the titles I purchased unless I have it. Right? I submit statistics and they collect data, as well. It only makes sense following that logic.
So you are just using the term knowingly in the wrong context in order to sling mud, assumedly in the hope that some of it sticks.
Gotcha.
I think you are being a bit harsh on the guy for his use of the word 'malware', he may have exaggerated what he meant slightly to make his point clear.
However, I also treat steam as malware whether it meets some arbitrary definition or not and it is software which I definitely don't wish to run on my computer.
They collect data on me, without paying me for the inconvenience or the value they gain from it.
The software eats up system resources just so that I can run games I have bought, also without paying me for the inconvenience
Furthermore, they have the power to deny me access to what I've paid for with my money.
Sure, throw a few shinies my way, let me network with my buddies and compare scores...that totally makes it worthwhile for me as a service...
If you think it is a good service then good for you, personally it offers me only inconveniences and no added value in any way.
You know you can shut Steam off right? You can also disable it to run on startup. I only run Steam when I play a Steam game. You can also put Steam in "Offline Mode" and not have to connect to the Internet to play. Tell me ANY piece of malware that lets you only run it when YOU want to. You have no clue about Steam or malware.
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Didn't think I'd look at your profile and see you playig Lineage 2; doesn't seem the type of title you'd spend much time in from your post history, previous reviews, and whatnot. What server? Reinstalled it about three weeks ago myself. Been OK, but the community seems really quiet so far.
And yes, it does appear that's what Ikono was attempting to do.
There's more reasons to run Steam than just that. Their sales are second to none, really. I've purchased thousands of dollars worth of games on Steam and never actually pushed my pocketbook that much. Not to mention, the resources that it uses when it's running idle in the background are absolutely miniscule, looking at them right now. If you notice any performance effects with Steam open, it might be time to upgrade.
And can you tell me which company paid you for the data they collect from you? I've never, ever seen it done. The information they are getting from you is all related to Steam and the titles you're running. They aren't phishing your personal information. They collect data the same way most MMORPGs themself collect data; performance statistics and whatnot.
Not to mention that really, some of my favorite multiplayer titles are Valve exclusive, and Valve games are Steam exclusive, so.. yeah. Blacklisting the program because you have a misconception of it is fine, because you are the only one missing out on the sales, convenience. But it's still not an atrocious program, or different from OnLive or any other gaming hub software.
The NCSoft Launcher and similar launching programs monitor and do just as much.
If for you it is a good service then you are free to use it, but nothing that you say there is going to convince me to change my opinion of it.
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just stating that throwing the term malware at a program because you don't like the program is just falsely labeling a product that to most people does exactly what it's advertised to do. A hub for gaming, good deals, no invasive software actions. No malicious actions from the software, just monitoring basic statistics like most MMOs do automatically.
That's all. If you don't want to make use of the service and enjoy the prices, cool beans.
And I maintain that the guy who used the word 'malware' is free to use english in such a way as to emphasis his point , whether you like his use of english in such a way or not. It obviously had an effect otherwise so many of you wouldn't have jumped in to try and refute him.
I said I treat Steam as malware meaning I treat it in the same way as I would a piece of malware/spyware/adware/whatever not that it is such, just to make my view on the issue clear in case it wasn't.
Pirates are not customers.
Pirates would not likely become customers if they could not pirate.
Pirates are often fans.
Fans promote products to non fans.
Pirates do not steal, they duplicate.
Duplication is not good, but duplication does not cause damage.
Therefore, pirates are better for a game than they are bad for it.