Do we really need 3 mil sales to have an enjoyable and fun game? If I can play with my friends/guild and have fun and if there is a steady stream of content updates, I don't care about 1mil or 3mil or 10mil players.
i feel the same way - GW2 could sell 200,000 and id still be happy
that said, I do like debate but I agree that predictions dont mean much
Do we really need 3 mil sales to have an enjoyable and fun game? If I can play with my friends/guild and have fun and if there is a steady stream of content updates, I don't care about 1mil or 3mil or 10mil players.
i feel the same way - GW2 could sell 200,000 and id still be happy
that said, I do like debate but I agree that predictions dont mean much
The game definitly needs to sell enough boxes to remain viable. The "sales are not important if the game is fun" argument is cute, but not very realistic if you want to play it for a longer time
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But seriously, where is everyone getting the 1 million pre-orders? I haven't seen any hard numbers from Anet.
I doubt Anet cares to fuel the speculation.
All this "hype" people get upset about, isn't coming from the company.
Recent example of how not to handle your fans, still in the corporate short-term memory.
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If this is real and the pre-orders are 1 million so far .. which is kinda crazy since there are 6 weeks until release and many people will be paying after BWE3 and during the first day without pre-order, the numbers chould be up in the sky, though I don´t really think that it will happen.
However .. if the game, without any warning, turned out to blow the world, though this doesn´t usually happen with MMOs, GW2 could en up setting high records. Remember, GW2 sales are in NA and EU '' ONLY '', no Asia and other countries and the keys via pre-purchase/pre-order/box are all ip-connected, which means that u can´t buy a EU version and play it in USA.
They already have over 1 million pre-orders. It's obvious they gonna pass the 3 million mark before the end of the year, easily. The B2P model will also attract people who usually don't play such games because of the monthly fee. They gonna sell a lot for xmas too.
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Originally posted by Fendel84M the F2P is gonna get a lot of people to try it out. I know i'll prly pick it up just cause it has no sub.
It isn't F2P any more than... pretty much any game is F2P. Is Battlefield 3 F2P? How about Mass Effect? Skyrim? No, you have to buy those (with money) to play them, just like GW2. A $60-price tag isn't going to get a lot of people to just "try it out" unless they've been playing nothing but subscription MMOs for years upon years. Only $60 to play? That's so much cheaper than... however many hundred people spend to play WoW all the time.
@Shroom_Mage: Ahumm, excuse me sir? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh I see you just readed the first sentence only.
Music is the science of manipulating people trough sound.
I've not preordered, but I got to get like 4 boxes soon after it releases. Typically whenever that happens for me with a game release I hear it sells at least a couple million by the time I get around to it.
I think Anet's in a pretty good position. 3 months in word of mouth, if it's still favorable, 3 million will be an easy goal.
anyone have any doubt that GW2 before end of year will not gonna sell at leats 3M copies of game? lol. obvious that number will be very easy to reach, hype/attention on this game in just amazing only match by WoW (SWTOR look a "baby" near GW2 hype/attention ).
even GW2 week hits already pass TSW hits....
no will not cure cancer, isntsecond coming of JC and other BS some morrons like to say, i never seee someone say GW2 is perfect, for some reason official forums had lot of suggestions.
i just need GW2 sell copies enough so we can play the game for many years, if sell 10M or 20M or just 5M i dont care much. game is already on Beta is by far the best MMORPG i ever play so just need server be up for many years
Yes. But it is, in fact, the only actual claim he made (and one that is not difficult to google up a source for).
Whether or not you consider his source particularly credible, well, that part's open to argument at least.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
anyone have any doubt that GW2 before end of year will not gonna sell at leats 3M copies of game? lol. obvious that number will be very easy to reach, hype/attention on this game in just amazing only match by WoW (SWTOR look a "baby" near GW2 hype/attention ).
Do you have any hard numbers to indicate the pure amount of people on earth that have an interest in GW2? I know it will sell 1 million. I believe it can reach 2 million either in the first month maybe or atleast beyond. 3 million, i'm not sure. I'm notsaying i don't believe it at all. It's just that i don't have any numbers to analyze it to that level. SWTOR had tons of hype and anticipation, but only went to 2 million.
The difference is that i don't make claims or facts. Anybody can pull any kind off numbers they want. I can easly say Pandari will sell 4 million do to the 10 million subs and the fact that each expansion only kept selling more and more. but i don't believe it will.
Preditctions are just that. When we get the number of copies sold after release, or financial income or whatever, then we can have a much better discussion.
The difference is that i don't make claims or facts.
Prediction requires neither.
That's why we'll get another ten pages from this thread (at least). Some people desperately want you to believe their prediction, others desperately want you to believe a different one.
It's an old game here on mmorpg.com, we play it every release-time.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
anyone have any doubt that GW2 before end of year will not gonna sell at leats 3M copies of game? lol. obvious that number will be very easy to reach, hype/attention on this game in just amazing only match by WoW (SWTOR look a "baby" near GW2 hype/attention ).
Do you have any hard numbers to indicate the pure amount of people on earth that have an interest in GW2? I know it will sell 1 million. I believe it can reach 2 million either in the first month maybe or atleast beyond. 3 million, i'm not sure. I'm notsaying i don't believe it at all. It's just that i don't have any numbers to analyze it to that level. SWTOR had tons of hype and anticipation, but only went to 2 million.
The difference is that i don't make claims or facts. Anybody can pull any kind off numbers they want. I can easly say Pandari will sell 4 million do to the 10 million subs and the fact that each expansion only kept selling more and more. but i don't believe it will.
Preditctions are just that. When we get the number of copies sold after release, or financial income or whatever, then we can have a much better discussion.
hits numbers of this site is a good point to start. GW1 sell 7M right? just need 50% of playerbase GW1 to buy GW2 to pass those 3M.
The difference is that i don't make claims or facts.
Prediction requires neither.
Yup. But somebody claims future events as facts without any level of source, i isn't something to take seriously. Like i said, anybody can make any prediction. Hell, i can say GW2 will sell less than 1 million simply because.
anyone have any doubt that GW2 before end of year will not gonna sell at leats 3M copies of game? lol. obvious that number will be very easy to reach, hype/attention on this game in just amazing only match by WoW (SWTOR look a "baby" near GW2 hype/attention ).
even GW2 week hits already pass TSW hits....
no will not cure cancer, isntsecond coming of JC and other BS some morrons like to say, i never seee someone say GW2 is perfect, for some reason official forums had lot of suggestions.
SWTOR had as much or even more hype(it's just that after they bungled everyone dropped the subject). although i could see GW 2 selling 3m by the end of the year sure. holiday sales will be good if it's well received.
Even if ANet officially announces 3.5M sales in e.g. December, some will still dispute it... those who aren't here to argue, but only to spread negativity.
So... *shrug*
EDIT: and a precision... GW2 sold 7 million... of the initial original game, that's not counting expansions. ANet has a customer base of 7+ million gamers.
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hits numbers of this site is a good point to start. GW1 sell 7M right? just need 50% of playerbase GW1 to buy GW2 to pass those 3M.
GW1 doesn't have a sub. There as never been a way to determine how many core players it really as. If i'm not mistaken out of the 4 games (originala nd expansions) each sold 1 million, most likely bought by the same player, so that cuts off 4 million righ there. And of course that doesn't include the number of multi boxers, the ones who bought it just because of GW2, and the ones who simply hated it and never touched it again.
Using GW1 as an indicator isn't a good idea. Oh, and there's of course those who love GW1, but don't like the sequel. of course, the question is, out of all these possibilties, how many exist for each one?
Remember, i'm not syaing the game won't sell well, just that there's nothing to accuratly mesure the amount of future sales.
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Dont be burnout on the excitment people... It's barely half the year and we are still having MMOs like planetside to expect .....
i feel the same way - GW2 could sell 200,000 and id still be happy
that said, I do like debate but I agree that predictions dont mean much
EQ2 fan sites
A korean analyst said there was 1 million pre-orders, there have been no numbers from Anet other than "hundreds of thousands".
I seriously doubt PS2 will be released this year. The beta hasn't even started yet.
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its mentioned in Ops link and has not been validated by ANET
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/wjn6x/korean_times_more_than_1_million_preorders_so_far/
EQ2 fan sites
The game definitly needs to sell enough boxes to remain viable. The "sales are not important if the game is fun" argument is cute, but not very realistic if you want to play it for a longer time
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I agree, they said that the beta will not be a demo and you should expect bugs and problems with the game.
I doubt Anet cares to fuel the speculation.
All this "hype" people get upset about, isn't coming from the company.
Recent example of how not to handle your fans, still in the corporate short-term memory.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
If this is real and the pre-orders are 1 million so far .. which is kinda crazy since there are 6 weeks until release and many people will be paying after BWE3 and during the first day without pre-order, the numbers chould be up in the sky, though I don´t really think that it will happen.
However .. if the game, without any warning, turned out to blow the world, though this doesn´t usually happen with MMOs, GW2 could en up setting high records. Remember, GW2 sales are in NA and EU '' ONLY '', no Asia and other countries and the keys via pre-purchase/pre-order/box are all ip-connected, which means that u can´t buy a EU version and play it in USA.
Do you have sources to back up your claims?
Predictions, not claims.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
@Shroom_Mage: Ahumm, excuse me sir? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh I see you just readed the first sentence only.
Music is the science of manipulating people trough sound.
I've not preordered, but I got to get like 4 boxes soon after it releases. Typically whenever that happens for me with a game release I hear it sells at least a couple million by the time I get around to it.
I think Anet's in a pretty good position. 3 months in word of mouth, if it's still favorable, 3 million will be an easy goal.
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"They already have over 1 million pre-orders."
That isn't a claim?
anyone have any doubt that GW2 before end of year will not gonna sell at leats 3M copies of game? lol. obvious that number will be very easy to reach, hype/attention on this game in just amazing only match by WoW (SWTOR look a "baby" near GW2 hype/attention ).
even GW2 week hits already pass TSW hits....
no will not cure cancer, isntsecond coming of JC and other BS some morrons like to say, i never seee someone say GW2 is perfect, for some reason official forums had lot of suggestions.
i just need GW2 sell copies enough so we can play the game for many years, if sell 10M or 20M or just 5M i dont care much. game is already on Beta is by far the best MMORPG i ever play so just need server be up for many years
I don't care about sales one bit.. I'd run around tyria completely on my own and probably still be pretty happy. More into PvE anyway.
Yes. But it is, in fact, the only actual claim he made (and one that is not difficult to google up a source for).
Whether or not you consider his source particularly credible, well, that part's open to argument at least.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Do you have any hard numbers to indicate the pure amount of people on earth that have an interest in GW2? I know it will sell 1 million. I believe it can reach 2 million either in the first month maybe or atleast beyond. 3 million, i'm not sure. I'm notsaying i don't believe it at all. It's just that i don't have any numbers to analyze it to that level. SWTOR had tons of hype and anticipation, but only went to 2 million.
The difference is that i don't make claims or facts. Anybody can pull any kind off numbers they want. I can easly say Pandari will sell 4 million do to the 10 million subs and the fact that each expansion only kept selling more and more. but i don't believe it will.
Preditctions are just that. When we get the number of copies sold after release, or financial income or whatever, then we can have a much better discussion.
Prediction requires neither.
That's why we'll get another ten pages from this thread (at least). Some people desperately want you to believe their prediction, others desperately want you to believe a different one.
It's an old game here on mmorpg.com, we play it every release-time.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
No, it really isn't
" It's obvious they gonna pass the 3 million mark before the end of the year, easily"
hits numbers of this site is a good point to start. GW1 sell 7M right? just need 50% of playerbase GW1 to buy GW2 to pass those 3M.
Yup. But somebody claims future events as facts without any level of source, i isn't something to take seriously. Like i said, anybody can make any prediction. Hell, i can say GW2 will sell less than 1 million simply because.
SWTOR had as much or even more hype(it's just that after they bungled everyone dropped the subject). although i could see GW 2 selling 3m by the end of the year sure. holiday sales will be good if it's well received.
Even if ANet officially announces 3.5M sales in e.g. December, some will still dispute it... those who aren't here to argue, but only to spread negativity.
So... *shrug*
EDIT: and a precision... GW2 sold 7 million... of the initial original game, that's not counting expansions. ANet has a customer base of 7+ million gamers.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
GW1 doesn't have a sub. There as never been a way to determine how many core players it really as. If i'm not mistaken out of the 4 games (originala nd expansions) each sold 1 million, most likely bought by the same player, so that cuts off 4 million righ there. And of course that doesn't include the number of multi boxers, the ones who bought it just because of GW2, and the ones who simply hated it and never touched it again.
Using GW1 as an indicator isn't a good idea. Oh, and there's of course those who love GW1, but don't like the sequel. of course, the question is, out of all these possibilties, how many exist for each one?
Remember, i'm not syaing the game won't sell well, just that there's nothing to accuratly mesure the amount of future sales.