Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
"Time-Saving Convenience Items" and "Time Skippers". The New Pay to Win in Guild Wars 2, What will y
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
The best part of this whole debate... I've forgotten about the cash shop because I've been too busy having fun so far. I've received two keys in game, one as a personal story reward and one for completing a map. I've also found a handful of chests in game. So far, every chest has had a key in it (I'm sure that'll change) and I think I've received one of each buff. I might even try using one. But, I have to admit... I feel bad for the sorry bastages dumb enough to try and speed past the content in this game.
Oderint, dum metuant.
Cash Shops can be done in a good way (for example League of Legends, The Secret World) and in a bad way.
Unfortunately GW2 has a bad cash shop.
What will I do?
Wait it out and buy the game if it's worth it.
If it's not worth it, people won't buy it. If people aren't buying it, then ANET will re-evaluate the usefulness of it. Same with all items. If all those items in the cash shop is worthless and can be gotten without much more effort in game, then people won't spend money in the cash shop. ANET will then have to put items/buffs worthwhile in the cash shop or else they won't make any money from it.
Yet honestly, would I blame them? They're not charging a subscription fee and are delivering a AAA title. They need to make money some how, and a cash shop is the alternate to subscription fees. I personally was just hoping they'd make money off of downloadable content packs or something along those lines. But I can't complain regardless if the game is free after the box price.
You dont put "TSW", "good" and "cash shop" in the same sentence because i am not convinced all the boosters in GW2's cash shop is worth $15 per month.
WOW: The Most Well Known Non-Free Non-Browser Client-Based 3D Fantasy MMORPG In Some Parts of the World.
The thing is I'm not sure why you are making such a fuss over this...Reason is you have the choice and you do not have to buy any of the fluff that is on offer as for others taking advantage of what's on offer. This would make me learn to play harder and I bet if we did a poll on people who buy fron cash shops you would find they are people who don't get the chance to play often or are lazy and what a quick fix. I have a friend like this who buys gold in every game and still never gets any where near the level I am or through the content.
Again while I can see your point not sure why you are trying to make others join your crusade... Look at this from the other persons prospective, they may well have money to burn and they have the right to spend their money on what they please or want and it's not for us to tell them otherwise... Look how much it cost for a good night out these days and it's easy for people like me who do not drink or smoke to take advantage of this type of system. I do not normally bother with this type of thing but I have to confess that I recently logged back into EQI and had loads of free cash from being in game from day one so spent the points I had on a mount and massive bads for my new level one toon. Normally you could not get this until higher level, however I ended up playing it for a few days and felt no sense of achievment and stopped playing again.
One thing that does annoy me about games and if I had built an MMO I would do this too is to make the bank space small and then sell slots for bags and bank space to make buckets loads of money from them wanting to make money from crafting as there will always be people who make shit loads from crafting early in game. So you can not blame companies from doing this to get their investment back.
To give a bit of credit to GW2 they have got bank space to buy in game however the fact that they provided the option to send dropped crafting components to your shared bank is great Kudos for them and I feel this will make many players happy and encourage them to use it all.
Cash shops are not a game killer for me as I do not tend to use them, however if I saw something which I could take advantage of and did not pay a monthly fee to play that game then I might be more tempted to use this if I felt it gave me options or help with what I'm trying to achieve with cosmetic items like they have.
From what I have seen so far the game drops boxes and you can also get keys for completing certain things which allow you to open them, they give you exp increases for a short time and these are normally what you see in cash shops anyway.
Right loads of ranting from me in short it's all about players should be able to decide for them selves and options and choice are better then not having them, so if you feel that strongly about them you do not have to invest in their product or if you do like the product then don't use them your self, but sadly you will never stop others from exercising their choice.
Bandit
Asbo
Go play a genuine power-selling game like Allods, Runes of Magic, Atlantica.. then come back here and try to tell us with a straight face that GW2 has "a bad cash shop".
No worries. I always enjoy the read. More power to your cause. Anyway, I don't think you'd be doing that if it doesn't make you happy.
But please don't view us like we are "bowing down" to the system. We are intelligent too. We just know enough about the game's design to determine that the things you are worried about aren't really worth worrying about at all. We also have our reservations about the cash shop. We are not blind.
Honestly this topic is beaten to death nearly every day on these forums. The closest thing to the way the shop is setup in this game is league of legends. You can save a little time by investing money (hell ALOT of time in that game,lol) and you can also get some cosmetic items. Hell, you are essentially directly buying statistical advantages within your account profile in that game by speeding up the process, which is only something you can take advantage of in PvE in GW2. (Which is coop btw, not competitive) At this point you are just beating a dead horse because it only really matters to the rampant defenders of GW2 (ie: myself) and the rampant haters of GW2 (ie: some of the people in this thread).
Fact is that Riot is making a crap load of money off a very comparable cash shop and the cash shop they have is more pay to win then this one. Nothing anyone says here will change ArenaNet's stance on this matter and if you don't like it...tough. They will make money off tons of people with this system and the average player (ie: no one on this forum) will not notice the difference. Thats kind of the point of micro transactions. Sorry, you won't ever find an MMO where the cash shop has 0 items that people want in it because they won't make money off it. Thats kind of the point of the cash shop. Be glad that ArenaNet is offering a way to buy the items without actually spending money.
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Why would anyone think that paying money to get to end game faster is winning ? I think the world is upside down.
I miss DAoC
All that text to still get it wrong. Saving time is not winning. If the game were a race, then yeah, you could say time saving items could be considered pay to win. But the game is not a race, and saving time gives you no advantage over other players in the game which is what 'pay to win' actually means. Doubt this will be read but screw it, I wanna beat the horse too dammit.
#TeamVainlash
Why did Marceline's dad eat her fries? I mean...cause she bought them and they were hers...
What is winning?
That's exactly what i have been saying. And what exactly are they winning?
That's a very good question that should probably be answered before the more complex ones are dealt with
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
I'm wondering because I keep hearing over and over that _____ is not winning.
One person can't win anything on their own.
I'm wondering because I'm hearing over and over that GW2 is Pay to "win" and I think those people don't know what win mean
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Ok that's a little too deep...
What's winning as defined by pay to win. Does GW2 have does paying cash in GW2 help you achieve achieve "winning as defined by pay to win?
Winning is referring to competition. As in between players. That is why reaching end game is not referred to as winning because the game is not in competition with you. If you can pay to win the competition between you and other players, it's pay to win. Simple really
Edit: This is where OP is mistaken. GW2 is not a race, if it was, then reaching end game would be a competition between players and buying time saving items would help you win that competition making it pay to win.. But it's not, so it aint pay to win.
#TeamVainlash
Why did Marceline's dad eat her fries? I mean...cause she bought them and they were hers...
Urban Dictionary
"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."
What do you think?
By name and definition the game is in competition with you. Player vs Enviornment, correct?
it doesn't make the game unbalanced and you can't buy better gear.
Well it doesn't make the game unbalanced in any way so I'd say nope it's not something that can be applied in any way in GW2
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Yeah, GW2 doesn't fit that definition because it is designed in a way that removes the balance and "better gear" from the equation.
I really don't get certain idividuals disagreement with how GW2 is being run. For the most part the people complaining are in fact MMO players and have played many other MMOs, so they know about difference cash shops, subs, memberships, etc.
Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee, that's +$15 a month in your pocket versus other MMOs. The stuff in the shop is optional.
If you are someone like me that binges on mmos, well then you will never buy any of those boosters and jazz 'cause you won't need em.
If you are Joey Rockbutt, father of 3, husband of troll wife who works a 48 week and trolls around town with your family on saturday, leaving sunday and a few weeknights for you to play your games, well..yeh you will probably invest in a couple lovely boosters. Now what? You're still spending less than another mmo with a sub and getting the same play time.
Oh, shit what is this? Your buddies level a lot faster than you? Cool beans, they can be level 80 and you can be level 23 and you can all still play with the same synergy.
If you are going to complain because you spend 500 hours playing the game, and Joe Schmoe plays 200 hours and is at the same progression level as you, whelp son, get a life. In the end it doesn't affect you at all in game. In your twisted little heads yeh it will annoying you because you're an elitist douche whose self entitled to your right of being an internet troll who thinks everyone should have to work as hard as you?
Whelp, see you at launch anyway.
Originally posted by Arskaaa
"when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".