I don't think that WoW is superior. It might be the most popular MMO in the universe but that doesn't make it superior. I know too many MMOs that were more fun than WoW tbh...
You can't convince people that WoW is better than Guild Wars 2. You have to CONVINCE them not to buy it instead. As soon as they play Guild Wars 2; it's over. People will have a VERY hard time to find the value in paying 15$ per month for WoW. I had a hard time justifying that stupid subscription fee without knowing Guild Wars 2 even existed.
I do not come as a WOW fanboy. There are tons of things I dislike about WOW, but GW2 choose to follow WOW in a lot of features and design. It's another themepark, but WOW imo is still the better MMORPG choice of what's avaliable until the end of this year.
As a veteran, hardcore MMORPG player I also did not buy into the hype and voting pools I've been seeing that are in favor over WOW. There are tons of reasons why GW2 might look like most wanted MMORPG on these forums and I'll name some.
#1 Guild Wars 2 is new, upcoming MMORPG, WOW is 8 years old. Just like when you get a new g/f, its so exciting!
#2 Guild Wars 2 is only B2P without subscription. [mod edit]
#3 Majority of the posters here probably are waiting and hoping for GW2 to be the next big thing since "their last MMORPG failed them" or they simply failed to entertain themself in it.
#4 Many are not as experienced in the genre and are easily "bought" into the hype. I honestly do like to see GW2 launch strong and get bizillions of sales, but the more experienced gamers like me will take advantage of the GW2 launch date. There will be a full month before MOP comes to also see how well this game will perform and get further info about it.
Comparing the two WOW is superior over GW imo in:
User Interface
System requirements
Higher skill cap
Cash shop design
Customer Support
PvE endgame
I'm sure there are a lot of others "debatable" things, but these are the top 5-6 that come in my mind that are definite from what we know about GW2.
WoW maybe the most popular MMO in the world however, it is by far, not the best one after all these years, and comparing it to Guild Wars 2 is kinda too lame. Just like comparing a ferrari from the 70s to Ferarri 2012 ..
You can't convince people that WoW is better than Guild Wars 2. You have to CONVINCE them not to buy it instead. As soon as they play Guild Wars 2; it's over. People will have a VERY hard time to find the value in paying 15$ per month for WoW. I had a hard time justifying that stupd subscription fee without knowing Guild Wars 2 even existed.
I think this is absolutely true.
When you see the quality of the content in GW2 and realize that there is no sub fee, ever, it makes you question what you are paying for in other games.
Just think, since November of 2011, people who have been paying for WoW have literally had no content updates and have been stuck with the same 8 boss raid in one of the most poorly designed raids ever (only ToC was worse IMO). And lets not even get into the fact that they seem to keep reusing resources to make this content. Or that once you've done the raid once you're just doing the same thing over and over and over for months, hoping for that one piece of BIS gear.
That's 9 months of NOTHING at $15 a month (patch 5.0 should hit late August), and in order to get the new content, you have to shell out another $40.
What have these people been purchasing? Access to their character? Is that all?
Now of course, we don't know what levels 35-80 look like in GW2, so it's hard to compare. But I've spent at least 100 hours in GW2 and barely scratched the surface. For one box price.
Now I can envision a scenario where people will play WoW for a month after each content patch, finish the set of dungeons and/or the raid (because let's be honest, there are a lot of folks like that gear treadmill content) and then unsub to play GW2.
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Both games suck. WoW has 8 years of content which makes it better, but I wouldn't play either game because wow ruined the mmo genre with simplistic mediocrity and supporting free to play games with cash shops is about as stupid as jumping infront a of speeding train.
WoW wrecked an entire genre, and Gw2 will be the final nail in the genres coffin.. MMO's are officialy failed and dead as of aug 28th 2012. GG everyone. GJ supporting crap, and GJ on apparently supporting it well into the future.
Both games suck. WoW has 8 years of content which makes it better, but I wouldn't play either game because wow ruined the mmo genre with simplistic mediocrity and supporting free to play games with cash shops is about as stupid as jumping infront a of speeding train.
WoW wrecked an entire genre, and Gw2 will be the final nail in the genres coffin.. MMO's are officialy failed and dead as of aug 28th 2012. GG everyone. GJ supporting crap, and GJ on apparently supporting it well into the future.
+1 I thought this was funny
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
I'm sure there are a lot of others "debatable" things, but these are the top 5-6 that come in my mind that are definite from what we know about GW2.
I'm not even going to address #1-4 as they are irrelevant to the actual game.
User Interface: How is taking up 60% of your screen real estate in mods good UI design because the game allows the UI to play for you rather than giving you only the important information like GW2's? GW2's UI is minimalistic compared to WoW's. Even the default UI in WoW (which is utter crap without mods) is more cluttered than GW2's. Good UI design is as minimalistic as possible. That's Game Design 101.
System Requirements: I don't see how this is important unless you are running a computer than is more than 6 years old. GW2 looks far superior to WoW and has far more technology behind it, of course it is going to have higher system requirements. That's like calling games that push system requirements bad off the bat like Crysis just because their system requirements are high. Focus on the merits of the gameplay, not the requirements to play the game.
Higher Skill Cap: NO. Just NO. GW2 requires way more effort to play than WoW. There is a lot more strategy involved in everything from WvWvW, PvE, and SPvP. Proper dodging and condition removal alone puts the skill ceiling way higher. In WoW many classes can spam the same abilities over and over with the ocassional difference in rotation from pure situational use skills. More hotkeys does not equal higher skill cap, if this were the case FPS and Fighting Games would have low skill caps, but we all know that's not true. WoW is one of the easiest MMOs to hit the skill ceiling on, at which point you are mostly just grinding gear and relying on FoM combinations to win over your opponent.
Cash Shop Design: GW2 is free to play so of course it's going to rely more heavily on the cash shop. At least we aren't paying $25 for Sparkle Ponies... yet.
Customer Support: It can take a week to resolve through Blizzard's customer support and GMs tend to use canned and unhelpful responses when you petition them in my experience. Using NCSoft's support I've had to wait a day max and they always reply with helpful responses that attempt to address my problem immediately.
PvE Endgame: Maybe. WoW has a lot more of it that's for sure and it has raiding. I can understand giving credit to WoW here, but GW2 has plenty of potential here. I do find GW2's PvE to be more enjoyable thus far and everything is essentially endgame (past the now easy mode starter zones anyway) with the scaling down system. It's a bit hard to compare "endgame" when very few of the population has experienced GW2's "endgame" anyway. What about the PvE aside from the endgame too?
Absent the entire existance of GW2... people still shouldn't be playing WoW. It's okay if you had fun with it for a little while, but come on, 8 years? Move on.
Thanks for that OP... you go back to enjoying playing WoW. When you get bored of the gear grind come pay us a visit in GW2 and see what you are missing.
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
It's hard for me to judge a game that has yet to be released in full. If I were to take a step back and actually judge Guild Wars 2 based on the content played, I would agree that WoW is a better choice to have simply because I know what WoW has to offer in its entirety (heck, I even have the MoP beta).
Though ultimately it's a game that has had eight years of polish and feedback in which to make it a casual friendly game with a few hardcore aspects thrown in there for good measure. It has had the benefit of multiple expansions and the positive factor of other games releasing with new ideas that could be transfered over and iterated upon by the WoW team.
It would be pretty sad if a game that has a subscription and such an advantage to be of poorer quality than a fresh game just off of the presses.
That said, with how tired people seem to be of WoW lately, many people are just looking for "that game" that isn't wow. This is why TSW has (in my opinion) done so well. It came out the right time (especially after SWTOR) and there is enough about it that doesn't remind peopel of WoW. I'm fairly certain the half of the people who enjoy the game now wouldn't of even attempted TSW if it wasn't for this redundancy in the genre of getting WoW clone after WoW clone; that is not to say it wouldn't be a good game (for those claiming it is), but that it wouldn't have been given as much views as it has. This is especially since it has the dreaded three (Box price / sub / in-game cash shop) as a finance model.
The MMORPG community (in general, not this site) I know would not have stood for the dreaded three all in one game. Yet because of these conditions more people were open to it, and wanted to support a company that didn't take the route that everyone else seems to be taking.
Guild Wars 2 is somewhat like this as well. Though it's big clinch is the lack of a subscription, as well as being an adventurous and fairly non-linear game that is chaotic in nature. You simply do not know what's going to happen next most of the time (even if you've done the area several times before). That is, of course, making note again that this is in beta and I am in no way qualified to make assumptions on the game as it stands.
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Thanks for that OP... you go back to enjoying playing WoW. When you get bored of the gear grind come pay us a visit in GW2 and see what you are missing.
Agreed. What's a shame is that many people will refuse to even try GW2; it's sad sometimes what stubbornness can make people do.
This Pizza tastes good, but this Sausage tastes better and one of the main reasons is that the Pizza has cheese and doesnt cost extra like the peppers do when I get this Sausage...the Sausage is older and more refined as well...that Pizza though is freshly made.
Originally posted by Badaboom After playing GW2 de's I couldn't fathom going back to a "quest hub exclamation marked npc's" mmo ever again.
Same here
I gave up on TERA exactly for that reason...
Quest hub > kill everything around > back to quest hub > kill all the mothers of the ones before > back to quest hub > Kill their cousins > Back to the quest hub > move to next quest hub
I do not come as a WOW fanboy. There are tons of things I dislike about WOW, but GW2 choose to follow WOW in a lot of features and design. It's another themepark, but WOW imo is still the better MMORPG choice of what's avaliable until the end of this year.
As a veteran, hardcore MMORPG player I also did not buy into the hype and voting pools I've been seeing that are in favor over WOW. There are tons of reasons why GW2 might look like most wanted MMORPG on these forums and I'll name some.
#1 Guild Wars 2 is new, upcoming MMORPG, WOW is 8 years old. Just like when you get a new g/f, its so exciting!
#2 Guild Wars 2 is only B2P without subscription. [mod edit]
#3 Majority of the posters here probably are waiting and hoping for GW2 to be the next big thing since "their last MMORPG failed them" or they simply failed to entertain themself in it.
#4 Many are not as experienced in the genre and are easily "bought" into the hype. I honestly do like to see GW2 launch strong and get bizillions of sales, but the more experienced gamers like me will take advantage of the GW2 launch date. There will be a full month before MOP comes to also see how well this game will perform and get further info about it.
Comparing the two WOW is superior over GW imo in:
User Interface
System requirements
Higher skill cap
Cash shop design
Customer Support
PvE endgame
I'm sure there are a lot of others "debatable" things, but these are the top 5-6 that come in my mind that are definite from what we know about GW2.
Thx for the info on why WoW is better. You must have been up for weeks working this and have at least 6-12 of your grade school chums helping out.
OMG no one can counter what you stated. Your word must be LAW or something.
Lets see if I can try:
User interface - The 2 are somewhat simular and I had no problem finding my way around the GW2 interface. Then again I looked where everything was and figured it out since I know its not a WoW interface why would I assum it would be just like it.
System Requirments - WoW has a few notches about what I call Saturday cartoon graphics (not a bad thing) , GW2 has a much nicer look an IF you have the hardware you can crank it up (makes WoW look very cartoonish) its very impressive. So your issue is that your PC can run WoW with all setting on high but not GW2. So in a nutshell your upset about this right? Why else would you have brought this up?
Higher Skill Cap - You do know a skill cap can be as small or big as they want depending how much XP per level they want to have. So in reality Higher Skill Cap means nothing at all, but you already knew that since your so brilliant.
Cash Shop Design - The game is not offically out so changes can still occure, also if you feel a WoW design is far superior then GW2 you should write them and tell them why. They might give you a big ol' sack of cash for helping them understand what you say is true.
Customer Support - If the game is not out how can you rate customer support? I did beta for WoW and there was little to no support during many betas and for about 3mo after the game was out.
PVE Endgame - Its not out so your shooting wildly into the air once again.
You failed to mention how awesome WoW's idea of arenas are far better also their World PVP is amazing.Don't forget how certain races can be only certain classes.
The list goes on why GW2 is D00M3D..... we're all F00LZ to think other wise.
Thx again Super WoW Fan Boy for clearing the air for us who are not as glorious as you think you are.
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I don't think that WoW is superior. It might be the most popular MMO in the universe but that doesn't make it superior. I know too many MMOs that were more fun than WoW tbh...
You can't convince people that WoW is better than Guild Wars 2. You have to CONVINCE them not to buy it instead. As soon as they play Guild Wars 2; it's over. People will have a VERY hard time to find the value in paying 15$ per month for WoW. I had a hard time justifying that stupid subscription fee without knowing Guild Wars 2 even existed.
good post. i agree
WoW maybe the most popular MMO in the world however, it is by far, not the best one after all these years, and comparing it to Guild Wars 2 is kinda too lame. Just like comparing a ferrari from the 70s to Ferarri 2012 ..
Am I reading this right or does OP really think WoW has better CS than GW2?
Everything else is subjective, but really?
I think this is absolutely true.
When you see the quality of the content in GW2 and realize that there is no sub fee, ever, it makes you question what you are paying for in other games.
Just think, since November of 2011, people who have been paying for WoW have literally had no content updates and have been stuck with the same 8 boss raid in one of the most poorly designed raids ever (only ToC was worse IMO). And lets not even get into the fact that they seem to keep reusing resources to make this content. Or that once you've done the raid once you're just doing the same thing over and over and over for months, hoping for that one piece of BIS gear.
That's 9 months of NOTHING at $15 a month (patch 5.0 should hit late August), and in order to get the new content, you have to shell out another $40.
What have these people been purchasing? Access to their character? Is that all?
Now of course, we don't know what levels 35-80 look like in GW2, so it's hard to compare. But I've spent at least 100 hours in GW2 and barely scratched the surface. For one box price.
Now I can envision a scenario where people will play WoW for a month after each content patch, finish the set of dungeons and/or the raid (because let's be honest, there are a lot of folks like that gear treadmill content) and then unsub to play GW2.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Both games suck. WoW has 8 years of content which makes it better, but I wouldn't play either game because wow ruined the mmo genre with simplistic mediocrity and supporting free to play games with cash shops is about as stupid as jumping infront a of speeding train.
WoW wrecked an entire genre, and Gw2 will be the final nail in the genres coffin.. MMO's are officialy failed and dead as of aug 28th 2012. GG everyone. GJ supporting crap, and GJ on apparently supporting it well into the future.
+1 I thought this was funny
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
Aren't you a rain of sunshine, metatronic.
Hey OP, good news. WoW is still there and is waiting for you. So you can go play that.
That makes a girly big difference when comparing the two as TS has.
I'm not even going to address #1-4 as they are irrelevant to the actual game.
User Interface: How is taking up 60% of your screen real estate in mods good UI design because the game allows the UI to play for you rather than giving you only the important information like GW2's? GW2's UI is minimalistic compared to WoW's. Even the default UI in WoW (which is utter crap without mods) is more cluttered than GW2's. Good UI design is as minimalistic as possible. That's Game Design 101.
System Requirements: I don't see how this is important unless you are running a computer than is more than 6 years old. GW2 looks far superior to WoW and has far more technology behind it, of course it is going to have higher system requirements. That's like calling games that push system requirements bad off the bat like Crysis just because their system requirements are high. Focus on the merits of the gameplay, not the requirements to play the game.
Higher Skill Cap: NO. Just NO. GW2 requires way more effort to play than WoW. There is a lot more strategy involved in everything from WvWvW, PvE, and SPvP. Proper dodging and condition removal alone puts the skill ceiling way higher. In WoW many classes can spam the same abilities over and over with the ocassional difference in rotation from pure situational use skills. More hotkeys does not equal higher skill cap, if this were the case FPS and Fighting Games would have low skill caps, but we all know that's not true. WoW is one of the easiest MMOs to hit the skill ceiling on, at which point you are mostly just grinding gear and relying on FoM combinations to win over your opponent.
Cash Shop Design: GW2 is free to play so of course it's going to rely more heavily on the cash shop. At least we aren't paying $25 for Sparkle Ponies... yet.
Customer Support: It can take a week to resolve through Blizzard's customer support and GMs tend to use canned and unhelpful responses when you petition them in my experience. Using NCSoft's support I've had to wait a day max and they always reply with helpful responses that attempt to address my problem immediately.
PvE Endgame: Maybe. WoW has a lot more of it that's for sure and it has raiding. I can understand giving credit to WoW here, but GW2 has plenty of potential here. I do find GW2's PvE to be more enjoyable thus far and everything is essentially endgame (past the now easy mode starter zones anyway) with the scaling down system. It's a bit hard to compare "endgame" when very few of the population has experienced GW2's "endgame" anyway. What about the PvE aside from the endgame too?
On a scale of 1 - 100
GW2 125
WoW -25
Totally disagree.
User Interface
Well wow is a mess compared to clean Gw2´s UI...
but after all WoW is about playing the UI & GW2 is about actually playing attention to the game´s world.
System requirements
WoW is 7 years old..... lol what the hell do you expect!?
Higher skill cap
WOW lvl 85 after 7 years.... GW2 80 lvls at Launch....
Anyway...GW2 is not about leveling that much...still 80 lvls at launch simply doubles what WoW launched with.
Cash shop design
All you can buy in GW2´s shop you can also obtain by playing, without spending real money on it. Ah! and no Sub.
You have to pay with real cash in WoW´s shop. Nuff said. Ah! and you are paying a Sub too...
Customer Support
Plz share your experience with both....
Mine have been great in both.
PvE endgame
Raids & daylies ever grinding Vs Totally replayable game because of the use of the sidekicking system.
All still challenging!
Plus WvWvW another game inside the game...
You must be kidding....
I don't think he was talking about level cap. I think what the OP was claiming is that WoW is requires more skill than GW2...
Absent the entire existance of GW2... people still shouldn't be playing WoW. It's okay if you had fun with it for a little while, but come on, 8 years? Move on.
A picture is worth a thousands words :-)
He must be trolling hard then XDDD
In wow you just need Gear to be god without hands....
In GW2 you directly needs hands since Gear doesn´t make you significantly more powerfull that anyone else.
I didn´t (or couldn´t) believe he was referring to that! ^^
Thnx for pointing
Lol, WoW's picture reminds me on my healer's days back then
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
*Bangs Head Repeatedly on Desk*
Thanks for that OP... you go back to enjoying playing WoW. When you get bored of the gear grind come pay us a visit in GW2 and see what you are missing.
Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom
It's hard for me to judge a game that has yet to be released in full. If I were to take a step back and actually judge Guild Wars 2 based on the content played, I would agree that WoW is a better choice to have simply because I know what WoW has to offer in its entirety (heck, I even have the MoP beta).
Though ultimately it's a game that has had eight years of polish and feedback in which to make it a casual friendly game with a few hardcore aspects thrown in there for good measure. It has had the benefit of multiple expansions and the positive factor of other games releasing with new ideas that could be transfered over and iterated upon by the WoW team.
It would be pretty sad if a game that has a subscription and such an advantage to be of poorer quality than a fresh game just off of the presses.
That said, with how tired people seem to be of WoW lately, many people are just looking for "that game" that isn't wow. This is why TSW has (in my opinion) done so well. It came out the right time (especially after SWTOR) and there is enough about it that doesn't remind peopel of WoW. I'm fairly certain the half of the people who enjoy the game now wouldn't of even attempted TSW if it wasn't for this redundancy in the genre of getting WoW clone after WoW clone; that is not to say it wouldn't be a good game (for those claiming it is), but that it wouldn't have been given as much views as it has. This is especially since it has the dreaded three (Box price / sub / in-game cash shop) as a finance model.
The MMORPG community (in general, not this site) I know would not have stood for the dreaded three all in one game. Yet because of these conditions more people were open to it, and wanted to support a company that didn't take the route that everyone else seems to be taking.
Guild Wars 2 is somewhat like this as well. Though it's big clinch is the lack of a subscription, as well as being an adventurous and fairly non-linear game that is chaotic in nature. You simply do not know what's going to happen next most of the time (even if you've done the area several times before). That is, of course, making note again that this is in beta and I am in no way qualified to make assumptions on the game as it stands.
Agreed. What's a shame is that many people will refuse to even try GW2; it's sad sometimes what stubbornness can make people do.
Yawn.
This Pizza tastes good, but this Sausage tastes better and one of the main reasons is that the Pizza has cheese and doesnt cost extra like the peppers do when I get this Sausage...the Sausage is older and more refined as well...that Pizza though is freshly made.
Thats basically what the OP said.
Same here
I gave up on TERA exactly for that reason...
Quest hub > kill everything around > back to quest hub > kill all the mothers of the ones before > back to quest hub > Kill their cousins > Back to the quest hub > move to next quest hub
lol
Thx for the info on why WoW is better. You must have been up for weeks working this and have at least 6-12 of your grade school chums helping out.
OMG no one can counter what you stated. Your word must be LAW or something.
Lets see if I can try:
User interface - The 2 are somewhat simular and I had no problem finding my way around the GW2 interface. Then again I looked where everything was and figured it out since I know its not a WoW interface why would I assum it would be just like it.
System Requirments - WoW has a few notches about what I call Saturday cartoon graphics (not a bad thing) , GW2 has a much nicer look an IF you have the hardware you can crank it up (makes WoW look very cartoonish) its very impressive. So your issue is that your PC can run WoW with all setting on high but not GW2. So in a nutshell your upset about this right? Why else would you have brought this up?
Higher Skill Cap - You do know a skill cap can be as small or big as they want depending how much XP per level they want to have. So in reality Higher Skill Cap means nothing at all, but you already knew that since your so brilliant.
Cash Shop Design - The game is not offically out so changes can still occure, also if you feel a WoW design is far superior then GW2 you should write them and tell them why. They might give you a big ol' sack of cash for helping them understand what you say is true.
Customer Support - If the game is not out how can you rate customer support? I did beta for WoW and there was little to no support during many betas and for about 3mo after the game was out.
PVE Endgame - Its not out so your shooting wildly into the air once again.
You failed to mention how awesome WoW's idea of arenas are far better also their World PVP is amazing.Don't forget how certain races can be only certain classes.
The list goes on why GW2 is D00M3D..... we're all F00LZ to think other wise.
Thx again Super WoW Fan Boy for clearing the air for us who are not as glorious as you think you are.
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Look up Agenda 21 as well.