Pay To Win

Naiper

This game is pay to win unfortunetly. You can buy ammo for cash, where ammo is rarer than weapons (ha thats perfect way to make money off ingame shop). You can also buy some supplies and weapon attachments. Despite the fact you will lose your loot whether you paid for it or not what stops crazy maniacs from rebuying it non stop? Some pople do have cash to do this, some people don't but are just too stupid to realize this is not the meaning of life.

Developers claimed this game was in development before Day Z (it was a lie)

Developers claimed this game this game will not have items giving you any advantage in ingame store whatsoever. (it is was a lie too)

Developers claimed numerous other smaller things that they decided to forget about.

Their team keeps deleting huge number of posts and topics on their forums and facebook that they don't like. The team has lost a lot of trust in my opinion so please keep away. Regards their trust nothing stops them making this game free to play month after release and putting in large stock of P2W items in their ingame store.

All of above information comes from alpha footage provided by developers not own experience in the alpha. Although I cannot confirm that this is different in alpha release for players.

I was hoping this would be some fun game. I am sorry for being quite negative and I don't try to troll in any way. I simply am getting upset with the amount of lies and greedy tactics adapted by large medium small and indie developers. For last years I believe there have been no game released I would consider worthy paying that silly full price for. Some games had made good effort and had some good ideas but these were either not executed well enough or very soon adapted some kind of mechanics that would put you at disadvantage if you did not pay.

When I express my self here I mainly talk about MMO or multiplayer games as i don't play singleplayer games much. Find them too repetitive and lacking the competition.

 

RogueTroopa

Been banned for asking that constructive negative threads be left on their forum. Anyone can see this game even in its alpha stage is an unpolished turd. The devs are just unprofessional . 

Youngg

After playing Day Z in its first stages and also playing War Z in its alpha stage in my honest opinion War Z is simply an extremely shitty version of Day Z so i would say dont buy this game

Zadawn

Many of the current items in the marketplace will be taken out and replaced with fluff and stuff which you can still find in the game.At the moment those are for testing.

 

Also most of the stuff in the marketplace is buyable with in game cash(dollars) which are not available at this time.GC(gold coins,real money currency) will be obtainable in game as well by killing special zombies that spawn only at night ,extracting their stem cells and selling them on the market place.

Cakeisyummeh

It really isn't pay to win, but okay.. Whatever you say ^-^

AdamTM

Originally posted by Zadawn

Many of the current items in the marketplace will be taken out and replaced with fluff and stuff which you can still find in the game.At the moment those are for testing.

 

Also most of the stuff in the marketplace is buyable with in game cash(dollars) which are not available at this time.GC(gold coins,real money currency) will be obtainable in game as well by killing special zombies that spawn only at night ,extracting their stem cells and selling them on the market place.

So wait.

1. During alpha testing, the cash-shop store offers performance enhancing items (ammo) for "testing"

2. The ability to generate cash-shop currency is not in the game yet

3. The items are ergo not obtainable ingame, only with real money

4. The developers promise those items will be gone at launch and replaced by fluff items.

 

Sounds legit.

Please proceed to my partyvan out back.

Istavaan

what do you win?

Hahhns

it is obvious the op has not visited the warz  forums at all, all the game changing stuff will be removed. the ah/marketplace will be for fluff stuff only,, wish you would read up before you troll

sk8chalif

Originally posted by Youngg
After playing Day Z in its first stages and also playing War Z in its alpha stage in my honest opinion War Z is simply an extremely shitty version of Day Z so i would say dont buy this game

see i did the same thing , but  for me its the other way around,

has for me i dont said dont buy this game but look into it ,

wait until the DNA is lifted  , people will be posting video of it and then you wil be able to see if its worth it or not,

 

 

Vyeth

So if you generally suck at the game but endulge yourself in spending thousands on the game you could basically supply the population with nice guns and plenty of ammo?

I'm down.. I'd hunt the millionaiires all night long to gear up..

I'd call this method Pay to Lose actually because the "poor" guy with no money to buy much kills the rich kid and actually makes the rich kid lose money in the process because his items are then gone (unless he finda and kills the guy to get them back, which by then they could be lost to yet another killer)

So in essence, you are paying to lose your items (or have a chance to lose them).. It seems pretty hardcore.. Almost like gambling..

 

voltt

this is an alpha build if you read the forums you would know alot of things have been removed in this build. In my opnion i think your jumping the gun. I would at least wait till beta begins to make a decision.

Im having a blast with war z right now

voltt

everything that will be in cash shop will can be found in game. I dont see the pay to win

sk8chalif

its not like the ammo you bought in the cash shop have extra damage on it ,

 

GrayGhost79

Originally posted by kiersteadmo
it is obvious the op has not visited the warz  forums at all, all the game changing stuff will be removed. the ah/marketplace will be for fluff stuff only,, wish you would read up before you troll

I just don't buy it, I mean... if it's just going to be fluff stuff in the store why aren't they testing the fluff stuff in the store? Why test with stuff that isn't even going to be in the store? To me that doesn't make any sense. Combine this with the fact that they are saying "Oh we promise to take all the game changing stuff out before launch so don't worry, buy the Legends pack now!" just reaks of something fishy. 

 

Take all of the above and look at the fact that they are charging $50 for 16 days of Alpha testing when beta access is only going to cost $20 and I start to feel nervous. 

 

The current quality of the game has me even more concerned. 

 

All in all I'm going to steer clear for awhile and I'm glad the OP brought this to my attention. These aren't good signs at all. 

 

If you are looking forward to the game don't take this as bashing, these are merely things that give me reason to be concerned. 

aRtFuLThinG

Originally posted by Istavaan
what do you win?

Good question. I'd like to know the answer from the OP as well.

 

Sora2810

Originally posted by Naiper

This game is pay to win unfortunetly. You can buy ammo for cash, where ammo is rarer than weapons (ha thats perfect way to make money off ingame shop). You can also buy some supplies and weapon attachments. Despite the fact you will lose your loot whether you paid for it or not what stops crazy maniacs from rebuying it non stop? Some pople do have cash to do this, some people don't but are just too stupid to realize this is not the meaning of life.

Hi! I find your pay-to-win idea flawed. Serg stated he doubts anyone will actually use the cash shop; with that said, all items bought will be dropped upon death (You did state this, but I'll go on). You can buy ammo, weapon attachments, melee weapons, and basic supplies. In any other game I'd say this would be P2W; however the fact that you can lose all those items you purchased with real or IN GAME cash (notice the word IN GAME (Definition: Virtual currency of which no physical money [Definition: Ex: USD, Euro's. . .] is used to obtain, I'd say this is fair. In a full-loot PVP enviorment, if; for EXAMPLE (note the word example) someone paid for a pretty gun--he now just became the #1 target to kill and loot. If store purchases were permanent--that would be pay 2 win.

Second; p2w is usually 'paying actual currency to obtain items that are exclusive to paid users'. You can argue that cosmetic items are also p2w, but meh.

 

Developers claimed this game was in development before Day Z (it was a lie)

Correct! WarZ was far from in development. A lot of our guesses are 5-8 months. 

 

Developers claimed this game this game will not have items giving you any advantage in ingame store whatsoever. (it is was a lie too)

Incorrect; The goal of ingame shops are to give players temporary advantages over others. Such as the shortcut packs in battlefield series, or the using MS points to obtain 'packs' in ME3. Some shops can argue that cosmetics are the only way to go; but a lot of games follow these 'shortcut' trends now (GW2 being a popular example with xp bonus potions). The devs did say no guns will be sold, they are exclusively saved as loot.

 

Developers claimed numerous other smaller things that they decided to forget about.

Their team keeps deleting huge number of posts and topics on their forums and facebook that they don't like. The team has lost a lot of trust in my opinion so please keep away. Regards their trust nothing stops them making this game free to play month after release and putting in large stock of P2W items in their ingame store.

This is actually a popular tactic for anti-warz fans. The smoke and mirrors of a downhill rolling game which clearly it's a scam! You've heard all that before, In fact the 'War Z support' facebook page is a troll page. Go ahead and read their 'About' section;  Hi, I dont work for The War Z, but I'm willing to answer almost all questions!

 

All of above information comes from alpha footage provided by developers not own experience in the alpha. Although I cannot confirm that this is different in alpha release for players.

Right, no one can really confirm or deny your information--only give you personal feedback and source updates.

 

I was hoping this would be some fun game. I am sorry for being quite negative and I don't try to troll in any way. I simply am getting upset with the amount of lies and greedy tactics adapted by large medium small and indie developers. For last years I believe there have been no game released I would consider worthy paying that silly full price for. Some games had made good effort and had some good ideas but these were either not executed well enough or very soon adapted some kind of mechanics that would put you at disadvantage if you did not pay.

First, being lied too about the game's development time sent a lot of us players back a bit. We watched out steps. We do subtely scrutinize every word the devs say from now own and find half-truths and what not--but we haven't yet. They came out and said we're sorry we failed you. The alpha wasn't supposed to be this bad--but they apologized and said we're fixing it. On top of that, they had a billing error--if you bought the game you could recieve more than 1 key, sometimes 10 keys. They said, because it was there fault, we will not try and regain those keys, but we only ask that you don't sell them. Give them to who ever you want.

Content is coming. Tons of great features already have small hints in the game. 

 

When I express my self here I mainly talk about MMO or multiplayer games as i don't play singleplayer games much. Find them too repetitive and lacking the competition.

 

 

TheCrow2k

Originally posted by Istavaan

what do you win?

 

The ability to experience even more boredom ?

Grunty

Originally posted by sk8chalif

its not like the ammo you bought in the cash shop have extra damage on it ,

 

They bought more ammo and thus more damage and survivability than they could get otherwise in the same amount of time.

Opapanax

Originally posted by Vyeth

So if you generally suck at the game but endulge yourself in spending thousands on the game you could basically supply the population with nice guns and plenty of ammo?

I'm down.. I'd hunt the millionaiires all night long to gear up..

I'd call this method Pay to Lose actually because the "poor" guy with no money to buy much kills the rich kid and actually makes the rich kid lose money in the process because his items are then gone (unless he finda and kills the guy to get them back, which by then they could be lost to yet another killer)

So in essence, you are paying to lose your items (or have a chance to lose them).. It seems pretty hardcore.. Almost like gambling..

 

 This one right here..

adam_nox

What if someone literally spent a million dollars and gave away ammo for free to everyone.  good or bad?

Grunty

Originally posted by adam_nox
What if someone literally spent a million dollars and gave away ammo for free to everyone.  good or bad?

A good opportunity for someone to kill him and take that ammo?

adam_nox

Originally posted by Grunty

Originally posted by adam_nox
What if someone literally spent a million dollars and gave away ammo for free to everyone.  good or bad?

A good opportunity for someone to kill him and take that ammo?

no you don't understand, you don't have to kill him.  You just ask him for it, because he has a million dollars.  And eventually everyone in the game has more ammo than they can ever shoot off lol.

Grunty

Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by Grunty

Originally posted by adam_nox
What if someone literally spent a million dollars and gave away ammo for free to everyone.  good or bad?

A good opportunity for someone to kill him and take that ammo?

no you don't understand, you don't have to kill him.  You just ask him for it, because he has a million dollars.  And eventually everyone in the game has more ammo than they can ever shoot off lol.

Killing him keeps that ammo out of someone else's hand who could then kill me.

aRtFuLThinG

Originally posted by Grunty

Originally posted by sk8chalif

its not like the ammo you bought in the cash shop have extra damage on it ,

 

They bought more ammo and thus more damage and survivability than they could get otherwise in the same amount of time.

"Same amount of time" is very circumstantial in zombie games.

 

I could be lucky or be brave and get more ammo then you buy wiht cash in 1 hour, or I could be unlucky and die getting it.

 

Even if you bought it you could be unlucky and run into a guy with a sniper gun while you are just walking around in the wilderness, and those "things" that you bought won't help you one bit when you get shot in the head.

 

There is no defence against that in these games, probably why it is not everyone's cup of tea.

Ichmen

its an alpha wait until open beta (if there is one) or a gold release before calling it p2w.  WoT gave people RMT gold and thousands of XP during its closed betas to test gold rounds and tanks. all of that was wiped before open release.  very easy for  warz devs to do the same.  (putting it in the shop makes it more accessible for balance testing as people can see/buy/use it easier then putting it on some randomly placed npc they have to maybe hopefully find.

i personally do not pay to test games (dont feel my money is fairly paid for when i have to invest money and personal time to test a game... if it was free testing fine. but paid for testing is stupid. )

 

long story short.. keep your pants on and relax.  they will most likely make it a p2w anyway if their FPS they have on steam is pretty much their early attempt at warz... >>" 

Caldrin

i would think everything in the cash shop at the moment are basically place holders.. wait until later beta states before you start throwing around stuff like this OP...