Music festivals, no. Manufactured pop icons, absolutely.
I don't see modern computer games as necessarily being all that different - other than a cost of entry that does more to actively drive out those willing to risk failure in the name of 'art' or 'vision.' The Kevin O'leary's of the world aren't going to back the projects I'd like to see made; the risk is too high for them.
You're right about a lot of things. Despite my posts in this thread, I'm not 100% against crowdfunding. I'm more ambivalent than anything else and -- let's be honest -- I love a good argument. The Kevin O'learys of the world aren't going to take chances; that's why we see so many remakes, sequels, and clones in games and film. Without a way past the money-men, some projects just won't ever happen. But, for all that, I still can't shake my concerns about accountability and fan exploitation.
I'm not all that surprised; opinions are definately mixed on the subject. And to be perfectly honest, if it had been someone like Rihanna or Kelly Clarkson, I'd probably react the same as you.
As more Kickstarters get mainstream attention, I wonder how long it'll be before the Rihannas of the world join in. Marketers know the value of fake indie cred. From record labels to craft beer, they've been doing it for years.
So why do I give RG the benefit of the doubt on this one, and trust he's going to make a game I'll actually be interested in instead of blowing it on strippers and ice sculptures? I can't really say.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
He is just scamming people with his old reputation.
But again, more power to him if he can get people to cough up money.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
He is just scamming people with his old reputation.
But again, more power to him if he can get people to cough up money.
Given all of the enjoyment I've had from most of the Ultima series, and also Tabula Rasa (I really enjoyed aspects of the game), I have no problems giving this a shot. If it doesn't work out, I'm only out a little money, which I can always get more of.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
He is just scamming people with his old reputation.
But again, more power to him if he can get people to cough up money.
Given all of the enjoyment I've had from most of the Ultima series, and also Tabula Rasa (I really enjoyed aspects of the game), I have no problems giving this a shot. If it doesn't work out, I'm only out a little money, which I can always get more of.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
He is just scamming people with his old reputation.
But again, more power to him if he can get people to cough up money.
Given all of the enjoyment I've had from most of the Ultima series, and also Tabula Rasa (I really enjoyed aspects of the game), I have no problems giving this a shot. If it doesn't work out, I'm only out a little money, which I can always get more of.
He is counting on it.
More power to him to get you to think that way.
You seem rather certain of that. Are you by chance a long distance telepath? ^^ Only time will tell this tale. As I stated, given how much I've enjoyed some of his earlier work, taking a minimal risk on having another entertaining game to play, is more valuable to me, than the minimal money I've backed it with.
Unfortunately these days, many seem to know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
You seem rather certain of that. Are you by chance a long distance telepath? ^^ Only time will tell this tale. As I stated, given how much I've enjoyed some of his earlier work, taking a minimal risk on having another entertaining game to play, is more valuable to me, than the minimal money I've backed it with.
Unfortunately these days, many seem to know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Isn't the evidence right there ... many are falling for his words and giving him money.
Sure .. you can risk your money anyway you want. People go to Las Vegas too.
And what value? If there is a game, i will look at the value of it. LB's promise has zero value to me.
Originally posted by rikwes Even if and when this bloke would produce the best game ever to grace a PC/console he wouldn't get a dime from me since the Tabula Rasa fiasco. He won the lawsuit he filed against NCsoft ( at the tune of 23 million US$) and instead of trying to accomodate all those players - for example by including the rights to the IP Tabula Rasa in the lawsuit and rebooting/saving it - he starts a new company to rip them off all over again.
I played Tabula Rasa from the day it launched to the day it closed. I quite enjoyed aspects of the game. But there is more than enough blame to go around to all parties. I fault NCsofts upper level suits for playing political games (their antics eventually ended up costing them $32 million).
Richard Garriott termination
Richard Garriott, lead developer of Tabula Rasa, sued NCsoft for US$47 million in damages concerning his termination from the company. Garriott asserted in his suit that he was forced out of the company and was made to sell his 400,000 shares in NCsoft's stock, losing him millions of dollars. In addition, he claimed that the company was guilty of fraud by forging his resignation announcement.[16] On July 30, 2010, a jury in a Texas federal court awarded him US$28 million in damages. NCsoft appealed the ruling.[17] Garriott again prevailed on appeal and NCsoft was required to pay an additional US$4 million, bringing the total damages awarded to Garriott to US$32 million.[18]
I also fault RG for his focus on his trip to space, rather than on his game.
If NCsoft had settled, I could see the IP rights to TR going to RG. But adding them to the court case would have made it much more complicated. I miss TR as well, it was a fun game. Unfortunately, these things happen, when dealing with these types of political/legal issues.
I'm quite looking forward to Shroud, and I hope it turns out to be an entertaining game.
No, for me it's a matter of attitude ( I know the full deal on what went on with Tabula Rasa ,played it and frequented forums like that of Gangrel etc. ) of RG in the entire matter. There wasn't a single moment during the entire debacle you got any sense that RG cared one way or the other . His attitude during the entire period was one of indifference .Never did you get the feeling he cared enough to attempt to save it ,for him it was just another (failed ) project . He was preoccupied with the space thing throughout most of the game's "live" existence and after he came back he just chucked in everything ...
That attitude tells me he isn't a true "games person". When you look at other oldtimers ( Will Wright , Molyneux etc.) you see them perceiving the games as their "babies " which they nourish and try to save at all costs . It's like a painter making a canvas : he LOVES that work ,otherwise he's just a bad artist . Games are just as much part of the creative industry as paintings or musical works ,but for RG it's just a way to make a living . It's that attitude which in the end decided , for me , that RG is just not trustworthy .
Originally posted by Souldrainer Garriot will just go off into outer space and ignore the game in its critical hours, causing it to fail... just like he did to Tabula Rasa.
Or may be this time is go under the sea like James Cameron. JC, OTOH, can make great entertainment even if he has expensive and time consuming hobbies.
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You're right about a lot of things. Despite my posts in this thread, I'm not 100% against crowdfunding. I'm more ambivalent than anything else and -- let's be honest -- I love a good argument. The Kevin O'learys of the world aren't going to take chances; that's why we see so many remakes, sequels, and clones in games and film. Without a way past the money-men, some projects just won't ever happen. But, for all that, I still can't shake my concerns about accountability and fan exploitation.
As more Kickstarters get mainstream attention, I wonder how long it'll be before the Rihannas of the world join in. Marketers know the value of fake indie cred. From record labels to craft beer, they've been doing it for years.
Everything else aside, Richard Garriot is a special case for me. Portalarium is the third time he's founded an indie game company. The other two -- Origin and Destination -- were each sold to major publishers. In both cases, he made out like a bandit financially. It was the fans who lost out: beloved franchises were gutted for parts and innovative new titles were scrapped or pushed out as shovelware. As much as I'd hate to see this happen again, it would be that much worse seeing it happen on the fans' dime.
He is just scamming people with his old reputation.
But again, more power to him if he can get people to cough up money.
Given all of the enjoyment I've had from most of the Ultima series, and also Tabula Rasa (I really enjoyed aspects of the game), I have no problems giving this a shot. If it doesn't work out, I'm only out a little money, which I can always get more of.
He is counting on it.
More power to him to get you to think that way.You seem rather certain of that. Are you by chance a long distance telepath? ^^ Only time will tell this tale. As I stated, given how much I've enjoyed some of his earlier work, taking a minimal risk on having another entertaining game to play, is more valuable to me, than the minimal money I've backed it with.
Unfortunately these days, many seem to know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Isn't the evidence right there ... many are falling for his words and giving him money.
Sure .. you can risk your money anyway you want. People go to Las Vegas too.
And what value? If there is a game, i will look at the value of it. LB's promise has zero value to me.
No, for me it's a matter of attitude ( I know the full deal on what went on with Tabula Rasa ,played it and frequented forums like that of Gangrel etc. ) of RG in the entire matter. There wasn't a single moment during the entire debacle you got any sense that RG cared one way or the other . His attitude during the entire period was one of indifference .Never did you get the feeling he cared enough to attempt to save it ,for him it was just another (failed ) project . He was preoccupied with the space thing throughout most of the game's "live" existence and after he came back he just chucked in everything ...
That attitude tells me he isn't a true "games person". When you look at other oldtimers ( Will Wright , Molyneux etc.) you see them perceiving the games as their "babies " which they nourish and try to save at all costs . It's like a painter making a canvas : he LOVES that work ,otherwise he's just a bad artist . Games are just as much part of the creative industry as paintings or musical works ,but for RG it's just a way to make a living . It's that attitude which in the end decided , for me , that RG is just not trustworthy .
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Or may be this time is go under the sea like James Cameron. JC, OTOH, can make great entertainment even if he has expensive and time consuming hobbies.