Originally posted by jmcdermottuk It's not a case of "is it time". It has always been time. I'm sick of seeing people called xX_I_PwN_U_Xx in MMO's. Seriously, use some imagination.
Maybe those people are tired of seeing Griffon, Gandalf, Phoenix, Caitlin, Merlin, Xena, Percival, Zeus, Grom, Athena, Midnight, Stardust, Thor, blah...blah...blah...
Seriously, use some imagination.
TBH if I had to choose between any of the names you listed and someone called IPwnU for a group, it would take me less than a second to choose. I see those using L337 names as shitheads with no respect for the lore or the community.
The names with special characters in their name are real pissoffs. If I have to type your name differently, your arse isn't in my guild or group. /done
My name is Plastic-Metal and my name is an oxymoron.
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk It's not a case of "is it time". It has always been time. I'm sick of seeing people called xX_I_PwN_U_Xx in MMO's. Seriously, use some imagination.
Maybe those people are tired of seeing Griffon, Gandalf, Phoenix, Caitlin, Merlin, Xena, Percival, Zeus, Grom, Athena, Midnight, Stardust, Thor, blah...blah...blah...
Seriously, use some imagination.
I think the OP was requesting a system with certain naming conventions like the LOTRO character name generator.
For example with hobbits:
Common name endings are -acar, -ard, -bald, -bard, -brand, -bras, -come, -das, -dic, -doc, -egar, -fast, -fred, -gar, -gard, -grim, -ing, -lac, -las, -mac, -man, -mond, -nas, -red, -ric, -roc, -son, -wise. Common prefixes are Adel-, And-, Bando-, Dino-, Dod-, Ever-, Ferd-, Ferum-, Fortin-, Fred-, Gorma-, Hal-, Ham-, Hildi-, Hol-, Isen-, Isum-, Marma-, Meri-, Regin-, Sara-, Sere-, Tol-, and Wil-.
It still offers some flexibility, although I bet you will still see Andpwnsuhard, since it technically follows.
Generally I just don't think it will work. Maybe if you had it on a roleplay only server, where other players are less likely to join and try to circumvent the naming conventions.
Originally posted by jandrsn I don't like when people give their kids unusual names in real life, but I don't hold it against the kid. In an mmo, names that are ridiculious let me know I'd probably rather avoid that toon. Kinda handy when you look at it that way.
Kids with unusual names were raised by assholes though, so It's wise not to expect much from them going in.
Still better than to name your kid with overly common names such as John Smith or Ricky Bobby, where the kid can't even tell where their firstname starts and lastname ends.
Originally posted by jmcdermottuk It's not a case of "is it time". It has always been time. I'm sick of seeing people called xX_I_PwN_U_Xx in MMO's. Seriously, use some imagination.
Maybe those people are tired of seeing Griffon, Gandalf, Phoenix, Caitlin, Merlin, Xena, Percival, Zeus, Grom, Athena, Midnight, Stardust, Thor, blah...blah...blah...
Seriously, use some imagination.
I think the OP was requesting a system with certain naming conventions like the LOTRO character name generator.
For example with hobbits:
Common name endings are -acar, -ard, -bald, -bard, -brand, -bras, -come, -das, -dic, -doc, -egar, -fast, -fred, -gar, -gard, -grim, -ing, -lac, -las, -mac, -man, -mond, -nas, -red, -ric, -roc, -son, -wise. Common prefixes are Adel-, And-, Bando-, Dino-, Dod-, Ever-, Ferd-, Ferum-, Fortin-, Fred-, Gorma-, Hal-, Ham-, Hildi-, Hol-, Isen-, Isum-, Marma-, Meri-, Regin-, Sara-, Sere-, Tol-, and Wil-.
It still offers some flexibility, although I bet you will still see Andpwnsuhard, since it technically follows.
Generally I just don't think it will work. Maybe if you had it on a roleplay only server, where other players are less likely to join and try to circumvent the naming conventions.
I still see a problem of someone naming their toon Bardbard, just like Bart Bart, lol
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This thread is why I hope we have enough support for an RP ruleset server. CU, like many other MMOs, would be a great fit. However, I'm only going to do it if we do it right, no half-measures. Either we have a real RP server with some very strict rules or it's not worth the time, money and effort to do it. Like a few other things, I'd rather pass on it unless it really makes sense to do it right and we have the support of our backers/future players.
I think ppl should be able to pick whatever name they want. The name you pick says something about you. Pick a moronic name and it lets everyone know you're a moron. That way they don't have to waste hours of thier time finding it out.
Originally posted by DamonVile I think ppl should be able to pick whatever name they want. The name you pick says something about you. Pick a moronic name and it lets everyone know you're a moron. That way they don't have to waste hours of thier time finding it out.
That, sir, is quite a valid point
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Originally posted by Arbroath
Originally posted by DamonVile I think ppl should be able to pick whatever name they want. The name you pick says something about you. Pick a moronic name and it lets everyone know you're a moron. That way they don't have to waste hours of thier time finding it out.
That, sir, is quite a valid point
LOL to both.
This is why I'm a big believer in choice. We have the normal ruleset servers and if there is enough demand for a true RP server, we have that as well.
Originally posted by DamonVile I think ppl should be able to pick whatever name they want. The name you pick says something about you. Pick a moronic name and it lets everyone know you're a moron. That way they don't have to waste hours of thier time finding it out.
That, sir, is quite a valid point
LOL to both.
This is why I'm a big believer in choice. We have the normal ruleset servers and if there is enough demand for a true RP server, we have that as well.
There is an issue with naming in games that comes from:
1. We get to name ourselves
2. We usually only get to pick a first name
3. The name has to be unique.
That is not how it works in the real world (Or it didnt in the past, atleast)
The biggest problem comes from only being allowed to pick a unique first name, the good, sensible, lorefriendly names are taken from hour one of day one, leaving bastardized spelling for the rest of day one and stupid immersion breaking names for the rest.
We try to define our characters from creation by their names, rather than having our actions, fame, or notoriety make that name for us.
In time DAoC (and other games around the same time) let us pick titles for ourselves.. but again it is unnatural for our names to be picked by ourselves, assuming that we are already known.
A man may introduce himself as Lothloktar Braelson the Awesome... but everyone knows, thinks and speaks of him as; (and even calls him) Loth the Coward..
Croudsourcing of names might be a bit of a stretch for this particular game, but it would be interesting to see a game that used it some day.
I would absolutely love the OPTION to join a server that had a name enforcement policy.
It could be a random generator, it could be a name builder (Where you pick a region/race and you use wheels/selectors to build the name) or it could be one where the community gets to self-govern.
(You click the name, and if enough people report the name it auto-resets)
This way I don't have to play on a server with "Turdpumper99" and "Seph1r0thh" if I do not want too, but the option is there for them to play their way on a different server.
One of the basic benefits of an RP server. Again, WoW rp does not equal RP in a DAoC sense. So I am hoping there is an RP server for DAoC fans who want the old school feel of Percival, Guinevere and Nimue.
I believe an mmorpg is supposed to be an escape from reality - hence, the term immersion comes into play. Seeing, "Ipeedmypants" the paladin is just plain nonsense.
This thread is why I hope we have enough support for an RP ruleset server. CU, like many other MMOs, would be a great fit. However, I'm only going to do it if we do it right, no half-measures. Either we have a real RP server with some very strict rules or it's not worth the time, money and effort to do it. Like a few other things, I'd rather pass on it unless it really makes sense to do it right and we have the support of our backers/future players.
It will be quit sad if RP servers only exist for the sake of name convention enforcement.
Shouldn't RP have a lot more restrictions than this, if it was meant to enforce RP? (which a lot of MMOs don't even on RP servers so makes me question the reason for their existence)
Originally posted by DamonVile I think ppl should be able to pick whatever name they want. The name you pick says something about you. Pick a moronic name and it lets everyone know you're a moron. That way they don't have to waste hours of thier time finding it out.
That, sir, is quite a valid point
LOL to both.
This is why I'm a big believer in choice. We have the normal ruleset servers and if there is enough demand for a true RP server, we have that as well.
There is an issue with naming in games that comes from:
1. We get to name ourselves
2. We usually only get to pick a first name
3. The name has to be unique.
That is not how it works in the real world (Or it didnt in the past, atleast)
The biggest problem comes from only being allowed to pick a unique first name, the good, sensible, lorefriendly names are taken from hour one of day one, leaving bastardized spelling for the rest of day one and stupid immersion breaking names for the rest.
We try to define our characters from creation by their names, rather than having our actions, fame, or notoriety make that name for us.
In time DAoC (and other games around the same time) let us pick titles for ourselves.. but again it is unnatural for our names to be picked by ourselves, assuming that we are already known.
A man may introduce himself as Lothloktar Braelson the Awesome... but everyone knows, thinks and speaks of him as; (and even calls him) Loth the Coward..
Croudsourcing of names might be a bit of a stretch for this particular game, but it would be interesting to see a game that used it some day.
umm so horribly wrong dude.
people who go by the name of Cumdumpster. or Pissonme. Or Ipissonyou(common variation Ipissonu) they don't choose those names because their first choice was taken. They were gonna pick those names regardless cause they thought it'd be funny.
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Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Originally posted by MarkJacobs
This thread is why I hope we have enough support for an RP ruleset server. CU, like many other MMOs, would be a great fit. However, I'm only going to do it if we do it right, no half-measures. Either we have a real RP server with some very strict rules or it's not worth the time, money and effort to do it. Like a few other things, I'd rather pass on it unless it really makes sense to do it right and we have the support of our backers/future players.
It will be quit sad if RP servers only exist for the sake of name convention enforcement.
Shouldn't RP have a lot more restrictions than this, if it was meant to enforce RP? (which a lot of MMOs don't even on RP servers so makes me question the reason for their existence)
I think that was my point in the other thread on this topic. We are in agreement that name convention enforcement is only part of the issue.
Kids with unusual names were raised by assholes though, so It's wise not to expect much from them going in.
Actually, the last couple of years have lead me to assume the worst of most all the people I meet. Easy mode and pvp centric games seem to draw em in, then they swarm from game to game with or without stupid names. Poor players abound, bad names just let you pre-sort some of them.
people who go by the name of Cumdumpster. or Pissonme. Or Ipissonyou(common variation Ipissonu) they don't choose those names because their first choice was taken. They were gonna pick those names regardless cause they thought it'd be funny.
Horribly wrong.. I think not.
What you describe should be reportable and GMs should force a name chang. Setting the name to Kobold#1158, a randombly generated name or something nonoffensive picked by the GM or player.
I do accept that I went off on a tangent and didnt really address the issue mentioned in the OP.
But almost every time I have to register a username or a character name I run into the same issues.
That name has already been taken
That name is too short/long
You cannot use spaces, accents, or characters from other languages. (im fine with not being able to use the full range of ASCII for character names.But for accounts? *sigh*
I have to invent a new name almost every time.. as if password requirements werent enough of a pain in the ass and mostly illconcieved.. We have to spend "30 minutes" trying to pick a name that we like, that isnt already in use, can be pronounced, and is memorable. When you add RP and lore to the mix it gets very dificult..The hardest part about starting a in a new game usually is creating a name. Not the character creation, nor learning the controls.. we have that down in a few minutes.. But creating a good name.... that is damn near impossible.
What I am saying is; is it any wonder that people start naming their alts somthing silly or stupid. Even those names are often taken.
This thread is hilarious. Reminds me of M&B battles where "Aragorn_of_Gondor" or "Sir_Barristan_Selmy" get tk'd repeatedly by some dude called "YOURSMELLYANUS" and rage all over team chat.
OnT: I'd love this ruleset on an RP server. When I play in an environment like that I prefer as few immersion-breakers as possible, even though I don't actively RP myself.
There still needs to be regular servers though, where people who prefer silly names/don't care at all can go. I actually enjoy retarded names once in a while - it's funny to see a knight named "PhilCollins" or a fair maiden with the fitting name "I_Sick_your_duck". These are games after all, they are played for fun.
Kids with unusual names were raised by assholes though, so It's wise not to expect much from them going in.
Actually, the last couple of years have lead me to assume the worst of most all the people I meet. Easy mode and pvp centric games seem to draw em in, then they swarm from game to game with or without stupid names. Poor players abound, bad names just let you pre-sort some of them.
I have had some bad names for characters in my time... But rather than trying to convince you of my own skills, I will say that I have seen many of the best players in the best groups have absolutly terrible names.
They may have started with friends (that had equally terrible names or not) and not have had the need to prove they were serious players to anyone. Or they may have had a main with a serious name and then had their alt with a silly name accepted by people that way.
Even the guilds with the silly names are often as good or better than those that try too hard to be serious.."Legion of Doom" or pretty much anything with "Death" in the name are, in my oppinion, worse than a more comic name like "Happy go Lucky Investment Fund" or "Kobbiefiddlers"
The "serious" names are a dime a dozen and I cant take them seriously because they just try too hard. Now "Oracles of the Leaf" could be a sort of good name its not all this DOOM and DEATH and Legion.. Im not too happy about the "Oracles" bit.. but I just pulled it out of my ass as an example.
Nope. There should definitely be an enforcement policy for the obviously offensive ones, but everyone has a different idea of what constitutes immersive.
Not only would it be a stupid marketing decision, but it would be hell to moderate. Yeah, something like Cheesypuffs would be fairly obvious by traditional RP standards, but what about single words that are also objects or emotions or animals or proper names from other media - all easy enough to commit a backstory to, especially if you put a title like "Lord" or "Champion" in front of it (maybe not a given name but one they ascend to).
Also, having some underpaid part time GM making the ultimate decision with their only feedback being the random raging player who sent the report leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Anything less obvious than say, "Cumguzzler," and I feel there should be some sort of appeals process... The whole idea is cryptic enough that I'd other shy away from a server dedicated to those rules or go there just to see how close to crossing the line I could get (something I actually remember doing on Nim). Having this automated would make it that much easier for me to exploit ;P
I believe that they should enforce a naming policy, but only allowing generated names, I'm not too much a fan of. The only reason I am against pre-generated names, is because that is one of the things I like to do during the character creation process.
Just my 2 cents.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, only allow "Alpha" characters, no numbers!
what about spaces, hyphons, accents?
I can accept that people dont get to use numbers and for this game also most of the characters that could be found in ASCII.
But I would like the 3 I mentioned to be allowed. And possibly a few others.
Also I would like to be able to create a first name at the start as well as a "surname" that could be 2, 3, or even 4 parts. and that could be edited either by GMs (like for in game marriages) or by the player as the character progressed.
But I would accept being able to create a first and last name, both with spaces hyphons and so on in them, and then being stuck with that for the rest of the characters life.
This thread is why I hope we have enough support for an RP ruleset server. CU, like many other MMOs, would be a great fit. However, I'm only going to do it if we do it right, no half-measures. Either we have a real RP server with some very strict rules or it's not worth the time, money and effort to do it. Like a few other things, I'd rather pass on it unless it really makes sense to do it right and we have the support of our backers/future players.
I, personally, will pay extra for such a service.
Even if you can't have a "real RP server" like this, though, I think it's worth considering name enforcement, at least on a few servers. It's pretty clear that silly player names break immersion for a great deal of people, even those who don't necessarily want to make an effort roleplaying their character. Seemingly small things like this can have a large impact on the overall experience.
I don't see where we disagree, but by bad names I don't mean silly or weird as much as I mean something that a drunken 12 old would laugh at every time they saw it, or cheesy knockoffs of fictionial characters. Those people tend to be no fun to hang around for longer than is neccessary.
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The names with special characters in their name are real pissoffs. If I have to type your name differently, your arse isn't in my guild or group. /done
I think the OP was requesting a system with certain naming conventions like the LOTRO character name generator.
For example with hobbits:
Common name endings are -acar, -ard, -bald, -bard, -brand, -bras, -come, -das, -dic, -doc, -egar, -fast, -fred, -gar, -gard, -grim, -ing, -lac, -las, -mac, -man, -mond, -nas, -red, -ric, -roc, -son, -wise. Common prefixes are Adel-, And-, Bando-, Dino-, Dod-, Ever-, Ferd-, Ferum-, Fortin-, Fred-, Gorma-, Hal-, Ham-, Hildi-, Hol-, Isen-, Isum-, Marma-, Meri-, Regin-, Sara-, Sere-, Tol-, and Wil-.
It still offers some flexibility, although I bet you will still see Andpwnsuhard, since it technically follows.
Generally I just don't think it will work. Maybe if you had it on a roleplay only server, where other players are less likely to join and try to circumvent the naming conventions.
Still better than to name your kid with overly common names such as John Smith or Ricky Bobby, where the kid can't even tell where their firstname starts and lastname ends.
I still see a problem of someone naming their toon Bardbard, just like Bart Bart, lol
This thread is why I hope we have enough support for an RP ruleset server. CU, like many other MMOs, would be a great fit. However, I'm only going to do it if we do it right, no half-measures. Either we have a real RP server with some very strict rules or it's not worth the time, money and effort to do it. Like a few other things, I'd rather pass on it unless it really makes sense to do it right and we have the support of our backers/future players.
Mark Jacobs
CEO, City State Entertainment
That, sir, is quite a valid point
It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself. ~Declaration of Arbroath
LOL to both.
This is why I'm a big believer in choice. We have the normal ruleset servers and if there is enough demand for a true RP server, we have that as well.
Mark Jacobs
CEO, City State Entertainment
i would i wlways name my charcter Aleprechaun so if i killed someone it would say "you was killed by A leprechaun" or A leprechaun killed you" haha
but vulger names and names iwth numbers i hate
I think there was a Hib I would see death spam from on the server I used to play! I know who you are now! :-P
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There is an issue with naming in games that comes from:
1. We get to name ourselves
2. We usually only get to pick a first name
3. The name has to be unique.
That is not how it works in the real world (Or it didnt in the past, atleast)
The biggest problem comes from only being allowed to pick a unique first name, the good, sensible, lorefriendly names are taken from hour one of day one, leaving bastardized spelling for the rest of day one and stupid immersion breaking names for the rest.
We try to define our characters from creation by their names, rather than having our actions, fame, or notoriety make that name for us.
In time DAoC (and other games around the same time) let us pick titles for ourselves.. but again it is unnatural for our names to be picked by ourselves, assuming that we are already known.
A man may introduce himself as Lothloktar Braelson the Awesome... but everyone knows, thinks and speaks of him as; (and even calls him) Loth the Coward..
Croudsourcing of names might be a bit of a stretch for this particular game, but it would be interesting to see a game that used it some day.
One of the basic benefits of an RP server. Again, WoW rp does not equal RP in a DAoC sense. So I am hoping there is an RP server for DAoC fans who want the old school feel of Percival, Guinevere and Nimue.
I believe an mmorpg is supposed to be an escape from reality - hence, the term immersion comes into play. Seeing, "Ipeedmypants" the paladin is just plain nonsense.
It will be quit sad if RP servers only exist for the sake of name convention enforcement.
Shouldn't RP have a lot more restrictions than this, if it was meant to enforce RP? (which a lot of MMOs don't even on RP servers so makes me question the reason for their existence)
umm so horribly wrong dude.
people who go by the name of Cumdumpster. or Pissonme. Or Ipissonyou(common variation Ipissonu) they don't choose those names because their first choice was taken. They were gonna pick those names regardless cause they thought it'd be funny.
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I think that was my point in the other thread on this topic.
We are in agreement that name convention enforcement is only part of the issue.
Mark Jacobs
CEO, City State Entertainment
Kids with unusual names were raised by assholes though, so It's wise not to expect much from them going in.
Actually, the last couple of years have lead me to assume the worst of most all the people I meet. Easy mode and pvp centric games seem to draw em in, then they swarm from game to game with or without stupid names. Poor players abound, bad names just let you pre-sort some of them.Horribly wrong.. I think not.
What you describe should be reportable and GMs should force a name chang. Setting the name to Kobold#1158, a randombly generated name or something nonoffensive picked by the GM or player.
I do accept that I went off on a tangent and didnt really address the issue mentioned in the OP.
But almost every time I have to register a username or a character name I run into the same issues.
That name has already been taken
That name is too short/long
You cannot use spaces, accents, or characters from other languages. (im fine with not being able to use the full range of ASCII for character names.But for accounts? *sigh*
I have to invent a new name almost every time.. as if password requirements werent enough of a pain in the ass and mostly illconcieved.. We have to spend "30 minutes" trying to pick a name that we like, that isnt already in use, can be pronounced, and is memorable. When you add RP and lore to the mix it gets very dificult..The hardest part about starting a in a new game usually is creating a name. Not the character creation, nor learning the controls.. we have that down in a few minutes.. But creating a good name.... that is damn near impossible.
What I am saying is; is it any wonder that people start naming their alts somthing silly or stupid. Even those names are often taken.
This thread is hilarious. Reminds me of M&B battles where "Aragorn_of_Gondor" or "Sir_Barristan_Selmy" get tk'd repeatedly by some dude called "YOURSMELLYANUS" and rage all over team chat.
OnT: I'd love this ruleset on an RP server. When I play in an environment like that I prefer as few immersion-breakers as possible, even though I don't actively RP myself.
There still needs to be regular servers though, where people who prefer silly names/don't care at all can go. I actually enjoy retarded names once in a while - it's funny to see a knight named "PhilCollins" or a fair maiden with the fitting name "I_Sick_your_duck". These are games after all, they are played for fun.
Separate servers for separate mindsets.
I have had some bad names for characters in my time... But rather than trying to convince you of my own skills, I will say that I have seen many of the best players in the best groups have absolutly terrible names.
They may have started with friends (that had equally terrible names or not) and not have had the need to prove they were serious players to anyone. Or they may have had a main with a serious name and then had their alt with a silly name accepted by people that way.
Even the guilds with the silly names are often as good or better than those that try too hard to be serious.."Legion of Doom" or pretty much anything with "Death" in the name are, in my oppinion, worse than a more comic name like "Happy go Lucky Investment Fund" or "Kobbiefiddlers"
The "serious" names are a dime a dozen and I cant take them seriously because they just try too hard. Now "Oracles of the Leaf" could be a sort of good name its not all this DOOM and DEATH and Legion.. Im not too happy about the "Oracles" bit.. but I just pulled it out of my ass as an example.
Nope. There should definitely be an enforcement policy for the obviously offensive ones, but everyone has a different idea of what constitutes immersive.
Not only would it be a stupid marketing decision, but it would be hell to moderate. Yeah, something like Cheesypuffs would be fairly obvious by traditional RP standards, but what about single words that are also objects or emotions or animals or proper names from other media - all easy enough to commit a backstory to, especially if you put a title like "Lord" or "Champion" in front of it (maybe not a given name but one they ascend to).
Also, having some underpaid part time GM making the ultimate decision with their only feedback being the random raging player who sent the report leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Anything less obvious than say, "Cumguzzler," and I feel there should be some sort of appeals process... The whole idea is cryptic enough that I'd other shy away from a server dedicated to those rules or go there just to see how close to crossing the line I could get (something I actually remember doing on Nim). Having this automated would make it that much easier for me to exploit ;P
what about spaces, hyphons, accents?
I can accept that people dont get to use numbers and for this game also most of the characters that could be found in ASCII.
But I would like the 3 I mentioned to be allowed. And possibly a few others.
Also I would like to be able to create a first name at the start as well as a "surname" that could be 2, 3, or even 4 parts. and that could be edited either by GMs (like for in game marriages) or by the player as the character progressed.
But I would accept being able to create a first and last name, both with spaces hyphons and so on in them, and then being stuck with that for the rest of the characters life.
I, personally, will pay extra for such a service.
Even if you can't have a "real RP server" like this, though, I think it's worth considering name enforcement, at least on a few servers. It's pretty clear that silly player names break immersion for a great deal of people, even those who don't necessarily want to make an effort roleplaying their character. Seemingly small things like this can have a large impact on the overall experience.
I don't see where we disagree, but by bad names I don't mean silly or weird as much as I mean something that a drunken 12 old would laugh at every time they saw it, or cheesy knockoffs of fictionial characters. Those people tend to be no fun to hang around for longer than is neccessary.