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So why didint he use that 2 million to start the game and have something to show us? He might add 2 million but not until the kickstarter money is all used up and then he has the choice to drop the project... ZERO risk.
So why didint he use that 2 million to start the game and have something to show us? He might add 2 million but not until the kickstarter money is all used up and then he has the choice to drop the project... ZERO risk.
And if the KS dont fund he will had wasted 2mills? That would just be stupid.
No that would be game development. Projects fail all the time no reason this guy should get a free ride.
If this doesn't fund ima put $250 on red
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So why didint he use that 2 million to start the game and have something to show us? He might add 2 million but not until the kickstarter money is all used up and then he has the choice to drop the project... ZERO risk.
And if the KS dont fund he will had wasted 2mills? That would just be stupid.
No that would be game development. Projects fail all the time no reason this guy should get a free ride.
NOBODY puts 2Mills in a project of ANY kind and THEN ask for funding...
I guess ya right, let them piss their money up the wall and fund some guys lavish life style for a few years. I'll stick to funding some real indie games that truly do deserve funding.
Piss my money "up the wall" on video games?? NO Wai!!
I've never done kickstarter before this game, you know why? Because this one actually interests me. It proposes what i look for in an MMO, it has RvR, an emphasis on crafting, limited PvE amongst other things. Sort of like when i first started playing MMOs, it really has drawn my interest. I also don't believe a game of this type would be funded by normal means, it is after all, niche'.
Now, if your real indie games, "that truly do deserve funding", happen to have the same game principles as CU, then please let me know, because i will honestly look into them. I will however, not not give my money to a developer just becuse they "deserve" it. I look at my kickstarter contribution as pre-purchasing a game way (way) in advance. I spent about as much as i would for a digital collectors edition. A game i have some interest in. Depending what i see in the next 25 days, i may even add a lil more. EGADS!
If it doesnt work out we can add this one to all the others i have purchased since the early 80's that were overhyped crap. That pile is pretty big, and i would guess towers over the one that holds the games i thought were great, nothings going to change there, sadly.
Its another video game, been pissing money away on them for decades.
...i agree, at least if.your asking for millions show a proof of concept engine.
....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!
Because it's technically immpossible, thats like saying everyone in Vegas could be a winner, also technically immpossible. Just a childs fanasy.
Ya but pissing away money for something that doesnt even exist? You need to start a whole new pile for this catagory.
Tides of Numeria got funded for four million with very limited gameplay footage and concept art. Along with a bunch of videos.
Obviously that's just how you get things done.
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Really can't tell if this is serious or just a bad troll? I'm okay if you don't want to make an investment and take any risk. But to act as if the whole idea of investment, venture capital, or even crowd-sourced investment is a radical new concept? C'mon, now... Try harder.
Seriously... It's just like any investing. Each opportunity needs to be individually evaluated. You look at what they do have, what you think the market is, and who the team is. If you think that all of those things add up to a potentially successful project, then go ahead and pull the trigger.
So, if I'm going to claim that this is an investment, I have to point out that I'm going to get some sort of return for my money, right?
Hokay... So here's how I look at it:
$25 - My return is the game. I recently bought GW2 and it was not $25. So this seems like a good reward for my investment.
$110 - This is somewhat equivalent to the utlimate preorders people like to put money into. Not my bag, but still not out of the ream of economic sanity.
$250 - Now we're into lifetime subscription stuff. IIRC, this is more or less the going rate for a lifetime sub.
$1000 - A designer is going to spend time on a specific cosmetic project for me. The $1000 basically covers the costs of the desginers time.
$5000 - Same as above.
So.... There's that. So... The other question at play here is: what deserves funded about this project? For me it's relatively simple. I believe that this project has a clear vision, a tight focus, and the person who will execute on that particular focus well. I believe that there will be little compromise of vision in the end product, which means that it will be a higher quality experience, overall.
Finally, how do I mitigate the risk... There' s a couple of possible options:
1. Fraud -- If someone takes the money and runs, or doesn't show good faith in trying to back their promises, I'm pretty sure that there is good case for legal action, ending in a class action suit.
2. Insufficient funding to complete -- It's possible that they'll hit some intractable problem, timelines will slip and they'll run out of funds to complete. This is probably the higher risk, but I'm not highly concerned. A) MJ & Andrew should know enough to be able to put together a reasonable time, and a funding plan that accounts for slippage.
the proof of concepts I've seen so far show that most of the technical risk is mitiagted.
3. The kickstarter fails -- If you understand kickstarter, you understand that no charges are made unless the kickstarter succeeds. MJ doesn't have my money, yet.
4. I don't enjoy the game. I've read the vision enough to believe that the game will end up something I will enjoy. However, the promised interaction on the backers forums give me a chance to ensure that, which I've never had with a preorder, beta, or any other mmo.
So... There... There are your answers. I get that you may not see what I see in the project. That's cool. Personally, I think it's worth the $5 just to be able to watch this thing get crafted, but maybe not for you.
And the difference here is Jacobs. Been playing his games for some time, and have definetly gotten my moneys worth. So i no doubt afford him a bit more faith than i would others.
If this was some knucklehead in a basement writing this stuff, i doubt seriously i would consider it.
Though if it doesnt work out, a new pile it shall be ; )
I guess you should explain to me why a small studio like CSE isn't something "indie".
That's because Torment:Tides of Numeria is riding off the bakc of work the same team has shown on Wasteland 2.
Wasteland 2 got funded not ont he back of just one person but a teamt hat had already produced games such as the Bard's Tale remake and also riding the wave of DOuble Fine's Adventure kickstarter campaign and also coz of high profile hiring of people who worked on the original Wasteland with Brian Fargo and others who had worked on Fallout 1 and 2.
Add to that the fact that all those games mentioned are not as risky as making an MMORPG and thus less risky to help kickstart.
I don't think the OP is out of line wanting more proof of concept stuff but I do agree his overal attitude is rather trollish.
Sure... Everyone needs to sit at their own comfort level... Although I will say that it makes sense to match risk with possible reward. There's a $5 curiosity tier that really isn't all that risky... You might consider that the reward isn't sufficient, though, for even that level of investment.... In the end, though, I think it's poor taste to question someones investment decisions, whether to invest or not invest.