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Neverwinter: Is the game dead now?
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But that is the thing, they cannot still call it a Beta and, AND take money for it, once they start taking money and making profit it is in actuality a RELEASE. So what if its buggy and very exploitable, if you knew about the exploits and could make real money from it, I will 100% guarantee that you WOULD exploit.
Now they can say its illegal and should not be done, you can say it was there its in the game (even though not intentionally) and you used it, hell if I knew and could make money that way I would. Aint my problem, and that's what happens if you charge real money for a game you say is still beta. Peeps will try to make money off it and wouldn't give a cotton smook what it did to the community, that's why after BETA's usually finish and bugs (like this) are fixed THERE ARE SERVER WIPES.
Thesedays companies don't really give a flying fook and are just after your cash, as quickly and as fast as they can get it, this goes for single player games too, this is why I do download games and playtest them BEFORE I buy (but have not done that much these past few yrs cos I tend to stay with monthly subscription games and play them only).
Do I agree with piracy - Not really, would I do it if I could - your damn right I will.
Do I agree with exploiting bugs - no I don't, would I do it if I could if I could make money from it - hell yes I would.
Those would be agree by 100% of everyone else and those that say they would not are just goddamn lying bastards period!
Here is where I posted the hint of this bug a few hours ago before it actually got public and became this big:
Posted at (5/19/13 10:21:00 AM) much before the exploit got public.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5736650#5736650
"I also noticed when I posted some end game gear in the auction house which I got from delves chests, they were not found from the search and thus I lost the exchange fee and after 4 days none got sold. I did give out a buyout also and from another account and the gateway I checked and my end game gear was not found. This is so weird.
There is some unscrupulous activity throughout the game which you cannot pin-point but it exists.
They should do a roll-back and then replace the purchases of players like us who actually got exploited with this buggy game and lost their real life money. This is just pure shame.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
I guarantee I would not. Just as I would not rob a home if I knew, with 100% certainty, that I would never be caught. Poor poor logic. Some people have morals. I do agree with your first sentence.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
Not true, i am a founder, the founder title for the forums had to be manually activated.
edit: and those screaming they don't want a rollback probably got rich in AD from exploiting themselves
Sorry m8t, keep repeating that last line to yourself every morning when you look in the mirror and every night before you turn out the light.
Perhaps that will make you feel better about yourself.
I have never cheated in a game. Never will. Call me a loser and a sucker if you will. I don't have to tell myself stories so that I can live with myself
Oh, my mistake.
But why do you assume that people who don't want a rollback got rich from exploits? I certainly did not. I have 130k AD...116k coming from a crafting resource I sold from that one quest. But I have spent a lot of time on my character and more importantly to me, my foundry.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
I have the email which congratulates me for buying a founder's pack. Now this game will try to hush it up. Great work done PWI and Cryptic. You are able to steal / loot / cheat $60 from me. Go entertain yourself.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
I am playing and spending money on this game because to me it is the best mmo I have played since my very first one. Even with all the flaws of a newly released mmo and the added unfinished state of the open beta/soft launch or however you want to call it. It matches my current playstyle perfectly and because of that I want this game to succeed. I don't know how massive the problem is, but I do know that as long as they would refund the spend zen (not the real money) and are able to make the game better and more secure, then I would not mind a complete wipe of all my characters.
I don't mind starting over if it means the game gets improved because of it. From what I hear the economy is completely destroyed atm and no rollback or banning of exploiters would solve it enough. It a wipe is needed, I would welcome it.
Would I be happy with a wipe? Not really, but if it is the best option I am fine with it. The game has only been out a short while for an mmo, so it is easy enough to get things back to where they are now, with the added bonus that you know the game better while leveling up again.
Ummm.... Let's see, the game (all servers) ran out of Zen because trillions of AD was mass produced and flooded the markets AND you think it doesn't affect you? LOL wow you be in a dream world!
Exactly. This game is just not finished and playable.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
At level 13 I used the free 150 zen and purchased one key. I got a nightmare mount. If they roll back the servers, all of us who got a nightmare the legit way are going to be furious.
Umm, if he's like me and hasn't used the AH or AD in any way then it doesn't affect him because it hasn't affected me. I haven't spent a dime in this game and have no plans to ever do so. All this drama just reinforces why I hate the F2P model and think it should go away. I'd rather spend $15 a month and not have a cash shop but that's just me.
Meh... The leak will be plugged, some of the worst offenders will be banned, the rest might get a slap on the wrist and in a few weeks the majority of the players will have forgotten about this in any way that matters and by the launch of the game it will be remembered as "that time you know"
That is how it always goes. It might be called Astral-gate by the ones who like to seem in the know but all in all it will not do much.
This have been a good conversation
What they should be doing is resetting the game back, re-imbursing people that actually spent money on zen, and starting over. It's going to anger a lot of people, but Cryptic screwed the pooch on this one. This was a colossal error on their part, and there's really no 'good' solution other than to just say 'hey, we screwed up, we're starting over, here's your money'.
What Cryptic is actually doing, appears to be trying to ban anyone involved in this exploit, which in reality is quite a large chunk of their playerbase. You'd think companies would learn by now that mass banning for situations like this are the absolute worst move you can make. Ban the more serious offender, and then reset your game because it is in critical right now. Banning 30-60% of your playerbase will not fix that, lol.
- Had fun w/ the game, but if something so stupid as forgetting a value check in an out of game system is gunna tank your game, well then RIP Neverwinter.
i'm not specifically targetting you, but lots of exploiters will protect their piggy bank, a wipe is the only way to keep things honest imo
It seemed finished and playable when I tried it, but, as the above poster stated, the game is crap. I found it extremely repetitive while retaining only the most tentative connection to D&D. That being said, for those players that do, somehow, enjoy the game I wish them the best of luck. Were I still playing/interested I'd be in favor of a wipe for much of the same reasons I favored a server wipe in the original Darkfall.
Sir,
Unfortunately if you are a player like me:
1.I get cheated for buying the founder's pack ($60)
2.I might have got banned for exploiting a faulty game design.
3.I lost my time and effort and they call it BETA.
4.The server wipe and full refund to our purchase is the only solace to this mistake is the way I see it.
Above everything this game is a shame to the whole mmo industry is the way I see it.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
I was expecting the same. That's not what appears to be happening.
A lot of people I know got banned. Some tested the exploit once (on themselves) to see if it was true and then reported the exploit straight away. Some didn't exploit at all, but were actually victimized by it (someone bid negative on their items and they lost the items they were auctioning).
Atm it seems all of these people have been perma banned. So much for beta being about reporting & fixing problems.