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kevjardskevjards Member UncommonPosts: 1,452
in Neverwinter

We took the Neverwinter OBT down for emergency maintenance, found the bug, corrected it and tested it. In order to fix the damage this exploit caused to the in-game economy, we implemented a necessary rollback of our servers to 5:20 AM PDT the morning of May 19, 2013. This means that characters have been reverted to the state they were in at that time, pre-exploit damage. That includes items, level, experience, etc.

We know that character progress matters in Neverwinter, so as an apology for the lost time and as profound thanks for your continued support throughout this Beta, we are putting together a package of items to give everyone. We plan to distribute this towards the middle or end of this coming week, possibly on Friday 5/24.

dunno if someone has posted this.but here you go

 

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  • GrailerGrailer Member UncommonPosts: 893
    dang I just lost a lvl 60 character then .
  • ragz45ragz45 Member UncommonPosts: 810
    Won't fix crap.  It's like giving a flu shot for an Antrax outbreak.  It will make it "appear" as though you care and are trying, when in fact won't do shit.
  • kevjardskevjards Member UncommonPosts: 1,452
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Won't fix crap.  It's like giving a flu shot for an Antrax outbreak.  It will make it "appear" as though you care and are trying, when in fact won't do shit.

    well at least they are doing the right thing..might piss a few peeps off.has for the exploiters..i doubt anything will happen.

  • aesperusaesperus Member UncommonPosts: 5,135
    Originally posted by kevjards
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Won't fix crap.  It's like giving a flu shot for an Antrax outbreak.  It will make it "appear" as though you care and are trying, when in fact won't do shit.

    well at least they are doing the right thing..might piss a few peeps off.has for the exploiters..i doubt anything will happen.

    Hasn't effected the exploiters at all.

    Most of the accounts banned for exploiting were mule accounts (throw aways). Furthermore most of the most severe exploiters already earned 1000s of $ of real money off this game's incompetence, and cashed out.

  • ragz45ragz45 Member UncommonPosts: 810
    Originally posted by aesperus
    Originally posted by kevjards
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Won't fix crap.  It's like giving a flu shot for an Antrax outbreak.  It will make it "appear" as though you care and are trying, when in fact won't do shit.

    well at least they are doing the right thing..might piss a few peeps off.has for the exploiters..i doubt anything will happen.

    Hasn't effected the exploiters at all.

    Most of the accounts banned for exploiting were mule accounts (throw aways). Furthermore most of the most severe exploiters already earned 1000s of $ of real money off this game's incompetence, and cashed out.

    You can't transfer Zen to RL money.  So unless they were selling AD to outside RMT they were not making real money.

  • bambuchabambucha Member Posts: 19
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Originally posted by aesperus
    Originally posted by kevjards
    Originally posted by ragz45
    Won't fix crap.  It's like giving a flu shot for an Antrax outbreak.  It will make it "appear" as though you care and are trying, when in fact won't do shit.

    well at least they are doing the right thing..might piss a few peeps off.has for the exploiters..i doubt anything will happen.

    Hasn't effected the exploiters at all.

    Most of the accounts banned for exploiting were mule accounts (throw aways). Furthermore most of the most severe exploiters already earned 1000s of $ of real money off this game's incompetence, and cashed out.

    You can't transfer Zen to RL money.  So unless they were selling AD to outside RMT they were not making real money.

    ehem :P 

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1eebyi/an_exploiter_claims_to_have_made_almost_six/

  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,028
    but it was happening before the rollback date

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916

    Lol, it's a real treat to watch this trainwreck unfold:  

     

    The OP didn't put that announcement in its full context:    

     

    Q: What happened?

    A: Early Sunday morning a very small group of players discovered and abused a game exploit within the Neverwinter Open Beta that affected the Auction House and Astral Diamonds.


    Q: What exactly has changed?

    A: We took the Neverwinter OBT down for emergency maintenance, found the bug, corrected it and tested it. In order to fix the damage this exploit caused to the in-game economy, we implemented a necessary rollback of our servers to 5:20 AM PDT the morning of May 19, 2013. This means that characters have been reverted to the state they were in at that time, pre-exploit damage. That includes items, level, experience, etc.

    We know that character progress matters in Neverwinter, so as an apology for the lost time and as profound thanks for your continued support throughout this Beta, we are putting together a package of items to give everyone. We plan to distribute this towards the middle or end of this coming week, possibly on Friday 5/24.

    Official Zen-Gate FAQ

     

    Soooo:

    1. "only a very small group of players" were involved.
    2. The exploit magically appeared early on Sunday morning (PST).
    3. There'll be a rollback to "before the exploit appeared".

    That will solve all the problems (small group of exploiters = small problem) image

     

    Sounds to me like they are either unable or unwilling to unravel the mess. So they rollback, patch the hole and then pretend nothing ever happened. Business as usual, folks !

     

    Not to worry, peeps, the Cash Shop will be open again shortly ! image

     

  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605

    Exploit has been happening since Closed Beta and they only roll back the servers for 5.5 hours ?...lol

    Cryptic pretty much gave the middle finger to any honest player trying to play this game.

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Yeh, people don't realise that this exploit has 'always' been there. It didn't just appear on Sunday 19th. Some people have been doing it for weeks and weeks on tons of accounts.
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Yeh, people don't realise that this exploit has 'always' been there. It didn't just appear on Sunday 19th. Some people have been doing it for weeks and weeks on tons of accounts.

    Lol, welcome to the online gaming industry (F2P division), where companies do exactly as they please with impunity !

    And get away with it...

  • RollieJoeRollieJoe Member UncommonPosts: 451

    This was posted over on the official forums, might not last long there so figured I'd share it here:

     

     

    "For all those wondering what the final result of all this will be."

    http://i.imgur.com/MjqjocV.jpg

  • NotoriousXNotoriousX Member UncommonPosts: 197
    Originally posted by emperorwings
    but it was happening before the rollback date

    +1

     

    thats what i was ready to say, i remember seeing a mount for -4.400.000 in the AH yesterday night and i though it was weard, didnt knew it was an exploit

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  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    I think the point is that it became widespread this weekend. So they are rolling that back then going after individuals before that. Seems like a reasonable compromise.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by evilastro
    I think the point is that it became widespread this weekend. So they are rolling that back then going after individuals before that. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

    Yup, that seems to be the strategy:

    Q: This bug existed for more than 7 hours. What are you doing about the fact that players took advantage of this before the rollback window?


    A: We are performing additional log searches and investigations to ensure that the appropriate actions are taken against any accounts that performed the exploit before the rollback window. Exploits that were performed prior to our rollback window make up a fraction of a percent of total impact, so we will be dealing with those issues selectively as not to cause greater impact on those legitimate testers.

     

    Note that the game does not have any players at the moment, only testers ! image

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Originally posted by evilastro
    I think the point is that it became widespread this weekend. So they are rolling that back then going after individuals before that. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

    Hmm in a compromise, both parties give something up to reach an agreement. I'm seeing what the players are giving up, they lose a little progress and have to continue to play in a game where the economy has been permanently affected by exploits since it started.. or they have to stop playing the game. I'm not seeing what the devs and publisher are giving up. They are going to give everyone a bag with some ID scrolls and a few AD in it or something? Or a cosmetic or summat that is literally worth nothing to most people? Maybe a title called "Exploit Survivor"... that's not really giving something up. It's kind of like a bribe..

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  • AkulasAkulas Member RarePosts: 3,028
    Testers with credit cards.

    This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Yeah the beta tag won't save them, they are taking peoples money. They need to be on the ball with banning them all.
  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    The compromise is between a full wipe and just banning individuals. To get rid of the white noise the rollback was the only option.
  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910

    General chat: LFM AFK PVP
    General chat: FEW SPOTS LEFT AFK PVP

    I was like.......ok
    Now i knew about exploits...each game has them in one way or another.
    But the amount in Neverwinter is sickening, and the way it is handled is a complete joke.

    uninstalled this abomination.

  • SourajitSourajit Member UncommonPosts: 472
    Originally posted by Vannor
    Yeh, people don't realise that this exploit has 'always' been there. It didn't just appear on Sunday 19th. Some people have been doing it for weeks and weeks on tons of accounts.

    I will not be astonished to find that these exploits are kept inside the system as developers use to make and keep cheat codes for stand alone PC games and then later reveal it to the public.

    The true fact however still remains, there will never be an even playing field for the newcomers and there was never an even playing field for the players who do not support exploits.

     

    Cheers
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?688-General-Discussion

    Look at all the players who actually want a complete wipe.

    I say wipe the entire game at launch of the actual game.

    This is BETA Right? 

    During Alpha Testing of games I can't really disclose info on I had my character wiped about 10+ times and didn't care reported many bugs across games so seriously this is beta right we should find report all bugs and all data should be wiped at launch.

    Simply said for those who have purchased founders, and Cash Shop items at launch you will be either.

    1. Return all ZEN Money to purchase new packs on release as well that was spent during beta.

    2. Your founders items, and purchases will be mailed to you in game mail on launch.

    Either way no one looses anything but I am sure this exploit has went on longer than this, because usually it takes a cheating clan, or 1-2 people to find out and abuse an exploit badly and by the time it gets reported there are so many server logs only the players on who YouTube the exploit instructions and new people doing it get punished and items removed and so on not the old players who did it and took advantage.

    If players knew how exploiters did their dirty tricks perhaps more would agree ^^.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Neverwinter/comments/1eebyi/an_exploiter_claims_to_have_made_almost_six/

    Check out the link above pictures were removed because Perfect World Entertainment covers it up.

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Kumapon

    Exploit has been happening since Closed Beta and they only roll back the servers for 5.5 hours ?...lol

    Cryptic pretty much gave the middle finger to any honest player trying to play this game.

    Sure I truly dislike those folks who found and used the exploits. But in all honostly they are not effecting my play experience in any way.  Perhaps I care more about my own fun then wondering how other people are doing ingame.

    I don't mind the rollback, I would have minded a full wipe.

  • Pandaman102Pandaman102 Member Posts: 94
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Sure I truly dislike those folks who found and used the exploits. But in all honostly they are not effecting my play experience in any way.  Perhaps I care more about my own fun then wondering how other people are doing ingame.

    I don't mind the rollback, I would have minded a full wipe.

    That's a bit of a catch 22, isn't it? Your experience wasn't affected, but there are people who did have their experience ruined. If Cryptic doesn't wipe you'll be happy and they'll be pissed, but if they do wipe you'll be pissed and they'll be... well, less pissed than they are now.

  • WaidenWaiden Member UncommonPosts: 500
    Originally posted by Reklaw
    Originally posted by Kumapon

    Exploit has been happening since Closed Beta and they only roll back the servers for 5.5 hours ?...lol

    Cryptic pretty much gave the middle finger to any honest player trying to play this game.

    Sure I truly dislike those folks who found and used the exploits. But in all honostly they are not effecting my play experience in any way.  Perhaps I care more about my own fun then wondering how other people are doing ingame.

    I don't mind the rollback, I would have minded a full wipe.

    So if you wont be able to purchase anything off the ah now, you are still not affected ey?

    In real life if this happened, hyper inflaction would appear. Food, gas, overall prices would go up 100+% cause many exploiters could pay the higher prices but your salary would stay the same, it would still not affect you xD yea sure

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