FAIL...... i tried it yesterday and i was very surprise for a beta everyone are alrdy lv60 with his T2 alrdy...... 40$ for a mount when a sub mmo only charge 25$ im probably sure this game is p2w soon or pay to progress 10x faster then normal (sound the same thing for me) i very enjoyed the game but not gonna spend more then 60$ + 20$ per month on a video game o WAIT its PW ...... zen zen zen
Originally posted by Arskaaa So much potential but pay to win:/
Its not pay to win. People who pay money do not get anything that gives an advantage over players who don't. I wish people would stop saying its pay to win.
Wrong! Just look up Runes and how they work and see that without the cash shop you have a 1% chance using them.
The game is a major pay-to-win game, very typical of PW games. I knew PW would ruin anything cryptic made.
I think you might be wrong on this one. I don't see these runes being pay-to-win. I associate pay to win with having a distinct advantage over another person. Considering in PVE be it dungeons or raiding it would equate to perhaps dealing more damage or taking more damage I don't see how you 'Win' over your fellow PvE fellows?
PvP is a bit different considering its a skill based system, but in honest once 60 you nuke everything very very quickly and it becomes more a 'team based' exercise rather than a solo PvP experience. There is a reason the PvP is designed as team based combat rather than a Free for all where the guy with the highest damage gets the most kills.
In addition, a key costs around 40k AD. A very easy sum to obtain. I've personally earned around 2 million AD since my time on there. I should also state that I bought Zen as well mainly for the character slot and for 2 bags. I used the AD I gained from buying and selling and playing the Zen market game. I have bought around 15 keys and traded for 10 others and I have got myself an epic mount, around 7 of those stones that prevent rune failure, 2x companions and a host of other goodies.
So, I haven't been required to spend a penny on that stuff. Why are you going about it the hard way? You really don't have to.
ANY advantage constitutes as P2W, defend it all you want but any sort of advantage one receives over others will constitute as P2W. Should the close calls be the winner who pays for "non-essential" upgrades? I think not. Not mention Hellloooo Health Stones and Rez Scrolls. The cash shop is atrocious and the entire system reeks of company greed.
I am sorry, but no matter in what kind of strange parallel world you are living in, convenience items do NOT count for pay to win. And what you listed are exactly that - convenience items.
Instant full health pots, your dead but can rez yourself with a scroll, items that provide top notch enchants on your gear..... OHHHH that's certainly CONVENIENCE items..... NOT.
You expect the same benefits as someone who is actually spending money on the game? Good luck with that... These games cost a LOT to create. I have no problem with the Dev's making a profit on the time and talent they have invested in their game. In fact, I'd rather they make a good profit, so that there is more chance of the game continuing and perhaps being expanded.
I expect em to be truthful and not take back their word, the said specifically that all items will be convinience and vanity items only.
Cryptic needing to make money is not the issue, the issue at hand is the fanbois trumping the game as not P2W when the CS cannot be any more blatent that it most certainly is.
You've obviously not played any of the Asian games, in which you can purchase high level weapons, armor and combat mounts in their cash shops. That IS P2W. Neverwinters cash shop isn't even in the same league as that. As for the rest, given what else I've stated about the game, I'd hardly be one of their fan kiddies. But I do understand the reality of these games, and I'm more than willing to support the ones I enjoy.
I beg to differ. $160 to upgrade one character is like paying for a sub for a year. That does not count for any of the other things in the cash shop you will probably need. That fits in the pay-to-win category most certainly!
"Oh, it isn't P2W if you grind your arse off you can get AD to get the Zen to get what is needed."
Someone paid for that Zen and when all those suckers are gone and no uses bought Zen to trade for ADs anymore, guess what the only way to get any Zen item is by paying cash.
Spin it how you want, this may not be as blatant as eastern games in the P2W category but the veil covering the P2W nature of this game is very very thin.
And I agree there are likely too many not yet public exploits to start a new server. I will only come back when I have confidence they have eliminated significant economy altering exploits and open a new server.
And if you want to transfer your character to a new server either you want to take ill gotten gains from exploits over to a fresh economy or you are admitting that despite your hard work the exploits have destroyed the current servers.
Pretty much everyone who got fully equipped benefited from the exploits even if they did not use them directly. When you say, Oh I earned legitimately by playing the AD/Zen market, then you benefited from the exploits, the volatility that allowed you to play that market, was due to the exploits. You would not have been able to do that in a clean economy. Even the noncheats realize that in a clean nonexploited environment they will not be able to equip the same and will have to P2W. Which is whey all the noncheats but beneficiaries of the exploits are objecting to clean economies.
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FAIL...... i tried it yesterday and i was very surprise for a beta everyone are alrdy lv60 with his T2 alrdy...... 40$ for a mount when a sub mmo only charge 25$ im probably sure this game is p2w soon or pay to progress 10x faster then normal (sound the same thing for me) i very enjoyed the game but not gonna spend more then 60$ + 20$ per month on a video game o WAIT its PW ...... zen zen zen
I beg to differ. $160 to upgrade one character is like paying for a sub for a year. That does not count for any of the other things in the cash shop you will probably need. That fits in the pay-to-win category most certainly!
"Oh, it isn't P2W if you grind your arse off you can get AD to get the Zen to get what is needed."
Someone paid for that Zen and when all those suckers are gone and no uses bought Zen to trade for ADs anymore, guess what the only way to get any Zen item is by paying cash.
Spin it how you want, this may not be as blatant as eastern games in the P2W category but the veil covering the P2W nature of this game is very very thin.
And I agree there are likely too many not yet public exploits to start a new server. I will only come back when I have confidence they have eliminated significant economy altering exploits and open a new server.
And if you want to transfer your character to a new server either you want to take ill gotten gains from exploits over to a fresh economy or you are admitting that despite your hard work the exploits have destroyed the current servers.
Pretty much everyone who got fully equipped benefited from the exploits even if they did not use them directly. When you say, Oh I earned legitimately by playing the AD/Zen market, then you benefited from the exploits, the volatility that allowed you to play that market, was due to the exploits. You would not have been able to do that in a clean economy. Even the noncheats realize that in a clean nonexploited environment they will not be able to equip the same and will have to P2W. Which is whey all the noncheats but beneficiaries of the exploits are objecting to clean economies.