Originally posted by Abrraham It's just a marketing decision to call it like that, of course it' not much different from any other MMO. They think their game is too good to be named with games like GW2, SW:TOR, ArcheAge, TSW and so on. They want to form a new genre. The super duper massive multiplayer game with singleplayer options - short SDMMGS.
Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
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Originally posted by Abrraham It's just a marketing decision to call it like that, of course it' not much different from any other MMO. They think their game is too good to be named with games like GW2, SW:TOR, ArcheAge, TSW and so on. They want to form a new genre. The super duper massive multiplayer game with singleplayer options - short SDMMGS.
Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
Originally posted by Abrraham It's just a marketing decision to call it like that, of course it' not much different from any other MMO. They think their game is too good to be named with games like GW2, SW:TOR, ArcheAge, TSW and so on. They want to form a new genre. The super duper massive multiplayer game with singleplayer options - short SDMMGS.
Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
most MMOs are what you make of them. Yes, I agree that a lot of folks play them as single player games, but in most out there you can group if you want to, PVP with others if you want to, engage in crafting and the economy with others if you want to, usually there is content that requires others, but yea, there is a large audience out there that likes to treat MMOs as single player but still be able to chat with others or see others for whatever reason. I prefer all forms at different times.
Originally posted by Abrraham It's just a marketing decision to call it like that, of course it' not much different from any other MMO. They think their game is too good to be named with games like GW2, SW:TOR, ArcheAge, TSW and so on. They want to form a new genre. The super duper massive multiplayer game with singleplayer options - short SDMMGS.
Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
Problem with that is you have no clue if ESO will be primarily a single player experience. They said you "can" go through it by yourself, but that capability doesn't automatically make it mostly single player.
That is like saying if you never get help from anyone in real life, and do everything yourself, that the world isn't massive. The number of players are still there despite what you decide to do. This is why the game is called an MMO. Massive Mutiplayer Online, means exactly how it sounds. It isn't 100% necessary to get help from others.
Chances are though, most people will gather parties. Why? Unlike other MMOs, the loot is obtainable despite no matter how many you have in your party. You do not lose out on items. I imagine you would not lose out on much if any experience either. Meaning their is no loss involved, and you only gain. The gain is dungeons are quicker, funner, and more entertaining with a group.
I personally love MMOs, but I am a lone wolf. I like doing things myself as much as possible. That doesn't mean I ALWAYS play alone. That is why it's still an MMO at the end of the day. I still like meeting people. I still like dungeon runs with a party once in a while. I like to do some pvp now and then. If you experience the entire game all alone, you simply have major problems. That isn't the devs fault, that would be the persons fault for being socially retarded. Just because some people are socially retarded, doesn't mean this isn't an MMO.
Originally posted by Abrraham It's just a marketing decision to call it like that, of course it' not much different from any other MMO. They think their game is too good to be named with games like GW2, SW:TOR, ArcheAge, TSW and so on. They want to form a new genre. The super duper massive multiplayer game with singleplayer options - short SDMMGS.
Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
Problem with that is you have no clue if ESO will be primarily a single player experience. They said you "can" go through it by yourself, but that capability doesn't automatically make it mostly single player.
That is like saying if you never get help from anyone in real life, and do everything yourself, that the world isn't massive. The number of players are still there despite what you decide to do. This is why the game is called an MMO. Massive Mutiplayer Online, means exactly how it sounds. It isn't 100% necessary to get help from others.
Chances are though, most people will gather parties. Why? Unlike other MMOs, the loot is obtainable despite no matter how many you have in your party. You do not lose out on items. I imagine you would not lose out on much if any experience either. Meaning their is no loss involved, and you only gain. The gain is dungeons are quicker, funner, and more entertaining with a group.
I personally love MMOs, but I am a lone wolf. I like doing things myself as much as possible. That doesn't mean I ALWAYS play alone. That is why it's still an MMO at the end of the day. I still like meeting people. I still like dungeon runs with a party once in a while. I like to do some pvp now and then. If you experience the entire game all alone, you simply have major problems. That isn't the devs fault, that would be the persons fault for being socially retarded. Just because some people are socially retarded, doesn't mean this isn't an MMO.
I like questing with one other person and leveling up that one character together for normal PVE. I always look to connect with one other person since Im not married who is into that kinda thing and supplements my west coast evening time frame :-), but I also like finding others to do group stuff with and I prefer the PVP to be massive, not scenarios. I usually join a guild for chatting or guild type events. Then I normally create an alt when whoever I play with isn't there and solo stuff until that other person is around. I guess I'm a good target for the game. I do hope they have some time of dynamic event system for sometimes joining in with others though, but not a deal breaker for me.
a bad choice for soe ,to make such a cartoony and ugly graphic. No one say to make it real life like soe maybe but at least decent and not cartoon ,was the thing
OP, an mmo company can make their mmo the most visually realistic possible (a mirror of real life if you want to say that) BUT the game WILL SUCK HORRIBLY if they put more resources into the graphics and forget about game mechanics. Therefore, making a gorgeous looking game full of gameplay limitations.
We have seen this a lot already, companies making realistic and even stylized ones that have over the top graphics being pretty but beyond mediocre products because they didnt put enough resources and effort into the rest of the game.
I hope Zenimax take both sides into account before we end up with just another beautiful but awfully limited game.
This game looks like absolute crap. I don't care if you don't like cartoons. GW2 looks better than this game NOW. FFXIV:ARR looks better than this game (well hell everything really) NOW
And this game is supposed to launch next summer
I have no faith in this game at all, it animates like a stop motion clay movie with the hiccups. Hell AOC animates better than this game and how many years ago did that come out?
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
The stylized graphics in EQNext allow for the constructable / destructable world, among other things. I'll take those new features over the same ancient themepark crap from the likes of ESO any day.
I have to agree with this, despite my love for ES lore. I am ready for innovation and freedom in an mmo, riding on the rails is getting old.
This game looks like absolute crap. I don't care if you don't like cartoons. GW2 looks better than this game NOW. FFXIV:ARR looks better than this game (well hell everything really) NOW
And this game is supposed to launch next summer
I have no faith in this game at all, it animates like a stop motion clay movie with the hiccups. Hell AOC animates better than this game and how many years ago did that come out?
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
Well I know they're not going to have player housing at launch, which tells me a little about what they consider important and not important. Apparently the player isn't going to rank very high in their thought process. The old level system grind is in place, which is an especially weak ground for innovation.
This game looks like absolute crap. I don't care if you don't like cartoons. GW2 looks better than this game NOW. FFXIV:ARR looks better than this game (well hell everything really) NOW
And this game is supposed to launch next summer
I have no faith in this game at all, it animates like a stop motion clay movie with the hiccups. Hell AOC animates better than this game and how many years ago did that come out?
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
You could maybe defend the graphics, but the animations are indeed horrid. Maybe they will be updated over time though.
Originally posted by NagilumSadow
Well I know they're not going to have player housing at launch, which tells me a little about what they consider important and not important. Apparently the player isn't going to rank very high in their thought process. The old level system grind is in place, which is an especially weak ground for innovation.
Removing leveling isn't innovation, its just dumb!
EQnext might pull it off, and I doubt it, but its a different type of game.
This game looks like absolute crap. I don't care if you don't like cartoons. GW2 looks better than this game NOW. FFXIV:ARR looks better than this game (well hell everything really) NOW
And this game is supposed to launch next summer
I have no faith in this game at all, it animates like a stop motion clay movie with the hiccups. Hell AOC animates better than this game and how many years ago did that come out?
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
You could maybe defend the graphics, but the animations are indeed horrid. Maybe they will be updated over time though.
Originally posted by NagilumSadow
Well I know they're not going to have player housing at launch, which tells me a little about what they consider important and not important. Apparently the player isn't going to rank very high in their thought process. The old level system grind is in place, which is an especially weak ground for innovation.
Removing leveling isn't innovation, its just dumb!
EQnext might pull it off, and I doubt it, but its a different type of game.
I agree on both things you said here. However, they did mention they are looking to improve the animations and they are well aware of this already. So we can most certainly expect that to be improved as they said it will be. They really havn't lied to us yet so far, so I don't see a reason why they would start, so I trust them.
I'm shocked my post is still going, I posted this thing like last week. I read all the posts, I looked at black desert, and it does look amazing, unfortuantly looks like its never going to be released in the states or atleast no plans yet for it.
As far as the its not an mmo game, I think the dev means this, and when you read the reply given to one of the posters by a dev was actually saying this in a coy way, "its going to be a solo type game like wow, or lotro and you wont be limited by forced group play, but on the other hand we don't want it to be looked at like a wow clone because it isn't because you can do anything as a group". He couldn't say those words unless he wanted to piss off millions of wow players, so I'll say that for him.
I also wanted to address, the "stylized art" of eq next. I wanted to say stylized is just another way to label something that we all know what it is in a more enlightened possistion, and for me to make this example I have to turn to my old comedian friend the one and only, George Carlie (R.I.P. my friend) who put honesty to fantasy in his piece on Soft Language, you can look it up on youtube if you want a good laugh about it but bottom line.... Cartoons became Stylized Art, because the fear of it being called a cartoon is so great. Maybe like Carlin, I wont ever have to die, I can just.... pass away!
This game looks like absolute crap. I don't care if you don't like cartoons. GW2 looks better than this game NOW. FFXIV:ARR looks better than this game (well hell everything really) NOW
And this game is supposed to launch next summer
I have no faith in this game at all, it animates like a stop motion clay movie with the hiccups. Hell AOC animates better than this game and how many years ago did that come out?
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
You could maybe defend the graphics, but the animations are indeed horrid. Maybe they will be updated over time though.
Originally posted by NagilumSadow
Well I know they're not going to have player housing at launch, which tells me a little about what they consider important and not important. Apparently the player isn't going to rank very high in their thought process. The old level system grind is in place, which is an especially weak ground for innovation.
Removing leveling isn't innovation, its just dumb!
EQnext might pull it off, and I doubt it, but its a different type of game.
If you think more dynamically, you'd realize the level system is arbitrary. Replacing it would mean putting structure in its place and sublimating exploration.
I watched this Quake-Con video again. And some... *other* sources. And boy... sorry but the screenshots look great. But ALL the videos I have ever seen of TESO look barren and bleak. Sorry, but that is my impression. Brown, Grey and oh look more brown and grey. NO I do NOT want Disney colourful fancypants either. But, sheesh, the videos show a world so damn barren. I can't say it otherwise, but nothing I saw in terms of visual world was aweing me. And everyone was wearing like brown sackcloth. All the same. All the time. Again all brown and grey.
And then combat, maybe people were dumb, but it looked like HACK HACK HACK.
Seeing those vids really disheartened me. I also read a preview on the German gamer mag 4Players who had a 2 hour session, and they too were not too thrilled and siad quests were just the boring same old we have seen 100 times. Like nothing to write home about.
Sort of dampened my enthusiasm right now.
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Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Seen Age of Conan lately? 5-years-old and still looks better than most MMOs.
This "ages badly" thing is a left-over from the late 90's and early 2000's when both, CPUs and GPUs were changing drastically very quickly.
Last 5 years? Not so much...changes have been gradual and incremental. Check-out any of the top games from 2008 (Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, GT IV, etc.) they all still look great even compared to the latest single player PC games.
I wish people would just stop repeating this tired old marketing hype excuse for cartoony styles which are just a choice, nothing else.
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The problem in the entire debate is, that everyone thinks of something slightly different in the terms cartoony and realism.
Personally, when I look at TESO videos and Everquest Next videos, I see two extremes which are both too.. extreme for my sake. While EQN looks too cartoony to me, TESO videos I have seen look almost like devoid of colours! Like the famous Zero Punctuation quote: "What isn't brown is grey and what isn't grey is too dark to make out."
I always favoured a balance between these two. Alas, realism too often in games means "dark and washed out". I do not want photorealism, or it would be nice, but I dont really need photorealism. I want acceptable realism. If you take GW2 and AoC you see not cartoony approaches, and both are colourful and vibrant worlds. Alas *so far* most vids from TESO do look waaaay too grey and brown like. That's not even realistic, because REAL landscapes rarely are like that everywhere.
So as so often I'd prefer a balance: lush and colourful like a cartoon, but realistic and not over the top colours; realistic but not dull.
So far, alas both EQN and TESO look too much like extremes at both ends to me.
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Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Seen Age of Conan lately? 5-years-old and still looks better than most MMOs.
This "ages badly" thing is a left-over from the late 90's and early 2000's when both, CPUs and GPUs were changing drastically very quickly.
Last 5 years? Not so much...changes have been gradual and incremental. Check-out any of the top games from 2008 (Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, GT IV, etc.) they all still look great even compared to the latest single player PC games.
I wish people would just stop repeating this tired old marketing hype excuse for cartoony styles which are just a choice, nothing else.
AoC had higher than average spec requirements when it launched.
The graphics are so meh, that it is only an iota above unplayable.
Why are you listing single player games? They are designed to be run on high end hardware. That proves nothing in regards to MMOs! Cartoon art styles stand the test of time. Sorry, but that is just a cold hard fact! Maybe some time in the future there won't be any noticeable difference between high end realistic graphics from one year to the next, but it won't be anytime soon.
Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Seen Age of Conan lately? 5-years-old and still looks better than most MMOs.
This "ages badly" thing is a left-over from the late 90's and early 2000's when both, CPUs and GPUs were changing drastically very quickly.
Last 5 years? Not so much...changes have been gradual and incremental. Check-out any of the top games from 2008 (Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, GT IV, etc.) they all still look great even compared to the latest single player PC games.
I wish people would just stop repeating this tired old marketing hype excuse for cartoony styles which are just a choice, nothing else.
AoC had higher than average spec requirements when it launched.
The graphics are so meh, that it is only an iota above unplayable.
Why are you listing single player games? They are designed to be run on high end hardware. That proves nothing in regards to MMOs! Cartoon art styles stand the test of time. Sorry, but that is just a cold hard fact! Maybe some time in the future there won't be any noticeable difference between high end realistic graphics from one year to the next, but it won't be anytime soon.
Wrong! Cartoon games are just an excuse for lazy ass coding and are dated just by the nature of being a cartoon. Oh wait, this site likes to use the word stylized for lazy graphics,[mod edit]
By the way, next time work your fingers a little better and find a video of the game at max settings with someone recording it that doesn't hate the game. To me for a game this old the graphics look pretty damn good, especially when compared to your Wildstar game which looks 10x worse.
Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Seen Age of Conan lately? 5-years-old and still looks better than most MMOs.
This "ages badly" thing is a left-over from the late 90's and early 2000's when both, CPUs and GPUs were changing drastically very quickly.
Last 5 years? Not so much...changes have been gradual and incremental. Check-out any of the top games from 2008 (Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, GT IV, etc.) they all still look great even compared to the latest single player PC games.
I wish people would just stop repeating this tired old marketing hype excuse for cartoony styles which are just a choice, nothing else.
AoC had higher than average spec requirements when it launched.
The graphics are so meh, that it is only an iota above unplayable.
Why are you listing single player games? They are designed to be run on high end hardware. That proves nothing in regards to MMOs! Cartoon art styles stand the test of time. Sorry, but that is just a cold hard fact! Maybe some time in the future there won't be any noticeable difference between high end realistic graphics from one year to the next, but it won't be anytime soon.
Wrong! Cartoon games are just an excuse for lazy ass coding and are dated just by the nature of being a cartoon. Oh wait, this site likes to use the word stylized for lazy graphics, sort of like overweight people who call themselves bears to make it sound more healthy.
By the way, next time work your fingers a little better and find a video of the game at max settings with someone recording it that doesn't hate the game. To me for a game this old the graphics look pretty damn good, especially when compared to your Wildstar game which looks 10x worse.
Cartoon graphics really have nothing to do with coding, so no idea what the heck you are talking about. It's very obvious you have no idea what your talking about. As a game developer, I can tell you cartoon graphics can be just as complicated as trying to make something look realistic depending on how much detail you want to add to it. It has nothing to do with being lazy at all.
Also your overweight analogy makes no sense -.-.
As for the video, the graphics are indeed nice, however, they are outdated. Graphics are not just judged by polygon count, it also has a lot to do with features and how things are achieved. A game that looks cartoonish can be more hardware intensive then this game if it's using pretty advanced features that are taxing on the GPU or CPU. Also textures play a very important part as well. You can turn any cartoonish looking game into a realistic game simply by changing the textures with out altering the graphics themselves.
Its 2013, and unbeleivable graphics have came out. Bethesda and Zenimax have taken hold of these amazing capablities and made us an online game with them. Elder Scrolls Online. After seeing what EQ Next will look like, and its gameworld looking like last years Guildwars 2 gameworld in graphics, there will be no one in the way to make this the most realistic MMORPG of the year, and in fact, all time. I hope and have no doubt we will see more MMORPG's start to follow this amazing graphic outlook to push these games to look even more real and enjoyable. Just wanted to say Thankyou ESO!
ESO Screenshot
Eq Next Screenshot
ugly piece of Sh*t looks outdated already while Eqn does not, that alone is a reason enough to stay away from games that try to replicate reality. if you turn to games in your search for realism how about you go out of your house for a change?
YES I DARE SAY THAT MAKING GAMES IS AN ART FORM,
more like... why do i even bother commenting on these stupid threads?
its not like my opinion has any effect on these boneheads
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Of course it's just hype. Amazing how some are taking the hype to heart and thinking it means something.
I can almost tell you to the day, when the in late May Zmax mouthpieces (specially Paul Sage--Matt Firor seems to be a bit embarrased about the new hype) started emphasizing that it's "just like all other TES games but online with friends!"
Nothing had changed with respect to game features at all...all that changed was their spin.
However, haters, trolls and the uninformed all seized on that and started going on about how it's not an MMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD-t_GvYBv4
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
MMOs aren't primarily single player experiences.
Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
most MMOs are what you make of them. Yes, I agree that a lot of folks play them as single player games, but in most out there you can group if you want to, PVP with others if you want to, engage in crafting and the economy with others if you want to, usually there is content that requires others, but yea, there is a large audience out there that likes to treat MMOs as single player but still be able to chat with others or see others for whatever reason. I prefer all forms at different times.
There Is Always Hope!
Problem with that is you have no clue if ESO will be primarily a single player experience. They said you "can" go through it by yourself, but that capability doesn't automatically make it mostly single player.
That is like saying if you never get help from anyone in real life, and do everything yourself, that the world isn't massive. The number of players are still there despite what you decide to do. This is why the game is called an MMO. Massive Mutiplayer Online, means exactly how it sounds. It isn't 100% necessary to get help from others.
Chances are though, most people will gather parties. Why? Unlike other MMOs, the loot is obtainable despite no matter how many you have in your party. You do not lose out on items. I imagine you would not lose out on much if any experience either. Meaning their is no loss involved, and you only gain. The gain is dungeons are quicker, funner, and more entertaining with a group.
I personally love MMOs, but I am a lone wolf. I like doing things myself as much as possible. That doesn't mean I ALWAYS play alone. That is why it's still an MMO at the end of the day. I still like meeting people. I still like dungeon runs with a party once in a while. I like to do some pvp now and then. If you experience the entire game all alone, you simply have major problems. That isn't the devs fault, that would be the persons fault for being socially retarded. Just because some people are socially retarded, doesn't mean this isn't an MMO.
I like questing with one other person and leveling up that one character together for normal PVE. I always look to connect with one other person since Im not married who is into that kinda thing and supplements my west coast evening time frame :-), but I also like finding others to do group stuff with and I prefer the PVP to be massive, not scenarios. I usually join a guild for chatting or guild type events. Then I normally create an alt when whoever I play with isn't there and solo stuff until that other person is around. I guess I'm a good target for the game. I do hope they have some time of dynamic event system for sometimes joining in with others though, but not a deal breaker for me.
There Is Always Hope!
OP, an mmo company can make their mmo the most visually realistic possible (a mirror of real life if you want to say that) BUT the game WILL SUCK HORRIBLY if they put more resources into the graphics and forget about game mechanics. Therefore, making a gorgeous looking game full of gameplay limitations.
We have seen this a lot already, companies making realistic and even stylized ones that have over the top graphics being pretty but beyond mediocre products because they didnt put enough resources and effort into the rest of the game.
I hope Zenimax take both sides into account before we end up with just another beautiful but awfully limited game.
This seems to contradict those who sat in front of the PC and played it. Have you?
There Is Always Hope!
I have to agree with this, despite my love for ES lore. I am ready for innovation and freedom in an mmo, riding on the rails is getting old.
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Well I know they're not going to have player housing at launch, which tells me a little about what they consider important and not important. Apparently the player isn't going to rank very high in their thought process. The old level system grind is in place, which is an especially weak ground for innovation.
http://wyrdblogging.blogspot.com/
You could maybe defend the graphics, but the animations are indeed horrid. Maybe they will be updated over time though.
Removing leveling isn't innovation, its just dumb!
EQnext might pull it off, and I doubt it, but its a different type of game.
I agree on both things you said here. However, they did mention they are looking to improve the animations and they are well aware of this already. So we can most certainly expect that to be improved as they said it will be. They really havn't lied to us yet so far, so I don't see a reason why they would start, so I trust them.
I'm shocked my post is still going, I posted this thing like last week. I read all the posts, I looked at black desert, and it does look amazing, unfortuantly looks like its never going to be released in the states or atleast no plans yet for it.
As far as the its not an mmo game, I think the dev means this, and when you read the reply given to one of the posters by a dev was actually saying this in a coy way, "its going to be a solo type game like wow, or lotro and you wont be limited by forced group play, but on the other hand we don't want it to be looked at like a wow clone because it isn't because you can do anything as a group". He couldn't say those words unless he wanted to piss off millions of wow players, so I'll say that for him.
I also wanted to address, the "stylized art" of eq next. I wanted to say stylized is just another way to label something that we all know what it is in a more enlightened possistion, and for me to make this example I have to turn to my old comedian friend the one and only, George Carlie (R.I.P. my friend) who put honesty to fantasy in his piece on Soft Language, you can look it up on youtube if you want a good laugh about it but bottom line.... Cartoons became Stylized Art, because the fear of it being called a cartoon is so great. Maybe like Carlin, I wont ever have to die, I can just.... pass away!
If you think more dynamically, you'd realize the level system is arbitrary. Replacing it would mean putting structure in its place and sublimating exploration.
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I am SOOOO not sure about the look now.
I watched this Quake-Con video again. And some... *other* sources. And boy... sorry but the screenshots look great. But ALL the videos I have ever seen of TESO look barren and bleak. Sorry, but that is my impression. Brown, Grey and oh look more brown and grey. NO I do NOT want Disney colourful fancypants either. But, sheesh, the videos show a world so damn barren. I can't say it otherwise, but nothing I saw in terms of visual world was aweing me. And everyone was wearing like brown sackcloth. All the same. All the time. Again all brown and grey.
And then combat, maybe people were dumb, but it looked like HACK HACK HACK.
Seeing those vids really disheartened me. I also read a preview on the German gamer mag 4Players who had a 2 hour session, and they too were not too thrilled and siad quests were just the boring same old we have seen 100 times. Like nothing to write home about.
Sort of dampened my enthusiasm right now.
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gameplay > graphics
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Am i the only one who dislikes "Realistic" art styles?
They age really poorly, will look like crap within a few years compared to other games, and even when freshly released these games usually just don't look appealing to me, i absolutely love my stylized graphics and am glad EQN is going with them.
I'll still try ESO, but so far It looks quite poor to me visually.
Seen Age of Conan lately? 5-years-old and still looks better than most MMOs.
This "ages badly" thing is a left-over from the late 90's and early 2000's when both, CPUs and GPUs were changing drastically very quickly.
Last 5 years? Not so much...changes have been gradual and incremental. Check-out any of the top games from 2008 (Dead Space, Crysis Warhead, GT IV, etc.) they all still look great even compared to the latest single player PC games.
I wish people would just stop repeating this tired old marketing hype excuse for cartoony styles which are just a choice, nothing else.
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The problem in the entire debate is, that everyone thinks of something slightly different in the terms cartoony and realism.
Personally, when I look at TESO videos and Everquest Next videos, I see two extremes which are both too.. extreme for my sake. While EQN looks too cartoony to me, TESO videos I have seen look almost like devoid of colours! Like the famous Zero Punctuation quote: "What isn't brown is grey and what isn't grey is too dark to make out."
I always favoured a balance between these two. Alas, realism too often in games means "dark and washed out". I do not want photorealism, or it would be nice, but I dont really need photorealism. I want acceptable realism. If you take GW2 and AoC you see not cartoony approaches, and both are colourful and vibrant worlds. Alas *so far* most vids from TESO do look waaaay too grey and brown like. That's not even realistic, because REAL landscapes rarely are like that everywhere.
So as so often I'd prefer a balance: lush and colourful like a cartoon, but realistic and not over the top colours; realistic but not dull.
So far, alas both EQN and TESO look too much like extremes at both ends to me.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
AoC had higher than average spec requirements when it launched.
However, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FipOSKZI45A, is hardly the best looking MMO on the market atm.
The graphics are so meh, that it is only an iota above unplayable.
Why are you listing single player games? They are designed to be run on high end hardware. That proves nothing in regards to MMOs! Cartoon art styles stand the test of time. Sorry, but that is just a cold hard fact! Maybe some time in the future there won't be any noticeable difference between high end realistic graphics from one year to the next, but it won't be anytime soon.
Wrong! Cartoon games are just an excuse for lazy ass coding and are dated just by the nature of being a cartoon. Oh wait, this site likes to use the word stylized for lazy graphics,[mod edit]
By the way, next time work your fingers a little better and find a video of the game at max settings with someone recording it that doesn't hate the game. To me for a game this old the graphics look pretty damn good, especially when compared to your Wildstar game which looks 10x worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-avplhIg18
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Cartoon graphics really have nothing to do with coding, so no idea what the heck you are talking about. It's very obvious you have no idea what your talking about. As a game developer, I can tell you cartoon graphics can be just as complicated as trying to make something look realistic depending on how much detail you want to add to it. It has nothing to do with being lazy at all.
Also your overweight analogy makes no sense -.-.
As for the video, the graphics are indeed nice, however, they are outdated. Graphics are not just judged by polygon count, it also has a lot to do with features and how things are achieved. A game that looks cartoonish can be more hardware intensive then this game if it's using pretty advanced features that are taxing on the GPU or CPU. Also textures play a very important part as well. You can turn any cartoonish looking game into a realistic game simply by changing the textures with out altering the graphics themselves.
Just to give you an example, here is minecraft with a realistic texture pack. http://minecraftworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/photo-realism.png
I suggest you learn a little bit more about graphics before you start claiming things that are far from true.
ugly piece of Sh*t looks outdated already while Eqn does not, that alone is a reason enough to stay away from games that try to replicate reality. if you turn to games in your search for realism how about you go out of your house for a change?
YES I DARE SAY THAT MAKING GAMES IS AN ART FORM,
more like... why do i even bother commenting on these stupid threads?
its not like my opinion has any effect on these boneheads