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Another definition of the word that supports your position vs Ethan's
Vaporware is a term in the computer industry that describes a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually released nor officially cancelled.
I'd say this project falls clearly in this definition at this point in time.
It's not the production that's important, it's the release to the general public, the launching if you will that matters.
Many MMO's have gotten right up to the point of launch after years of development, and then failed to release, they were vaporware. This is too, at least until they can really show a mostly finished product.
Incomplete software is not something you can point to as a product, but just a work in progress that may never see the light of day. The longer this goes on, the more doubt people have regarding the eventual success of the project.
Ethan can solve the problem quite simply. Announce a target launch date sometime in the near future (2 yrs or less) and hit it.
Otherwise he's just blowing smoke regardless what people are doing in his alpha world.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Any response is just proof this place is a toilet, though.
It's the perfect trap; have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Compared to EQNext, the building element of this game seem lame.
This game needs more voxels and destructibility.
And rounded edges, not square blocks and predesigned placeable objects.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
On the Kickstarter front, the game went from 71 backers at 7,670 to 72 backers at 10,780 with the person not accepting the 1,000 dollar reward. Not suspicious at all........
Well that means there's about 4,320 to go in the next 10 days. So for fans of the project, it is looking a lot better than it did yesterday.
Be nice if we got some more concrete answers like has been mentioned in prior posts but maybe that is for the next KS.
On a side note has anyone used the link to try the game out yet?
Would be only fair to give it a try before shooting it down, right?As noted on other threads & posts: feel free to hop into our TeamSpeak server, and ask around when the servers are gonna be up (they usually are up about 1-2 UTC and are online for several hours, but it depends on what Ethan is working on); also by that time there´s usually some of our more tech-savvy testers, in case you have some questions on that front. On the TS you´ll also find a list of controls, and some tricks for increasing your frame rate in case you need them.
There´s no NDA for screenshots & vids, btw, so feel free to capture & post if you wish.
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I just noticed that, as well. 3,000 just showed up giving the campaign a nice boost toward its goal. : link
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Doesn't look like you are avoiding it right now? Way to trash their forums after they have given you several front page interviews. Wow you truly are a loser, I guess the people on these forums were right. You been blowing steam about this game for like 8 years, still no gameplay except some block building. Give it up, hope your Kickstarter fails.
I guess this was put up yesterday on their forums:
Taken from this thread: http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=344
'll keep it short and sweet...
We're in a snag.
It was a one/two punch between having no control over our own campaign due to a security breach at Kickstarter for almost two weeks, and that (and this is shocking but 100% true) as it turns out, you cannot donate to kickstarter through paypal... I know right, insane!
Those two things coupled together have really done a number on us, and so we need a little help to get over this hump.
The reality of the situation is, with Kickstarter, if you don't make the goal you get literally $0, unlike with Indiegogo. With ten days left and almost $5K left to cross, I don't know any other way to approach that without asking the community to pledge and/or help spread the word about the project. I have nothing left even if it would let me, which they won't.
Therefore, in addition to contributions, I'm willing to open the doors for anyone able to contribute enough to get it over the hump, several hundred to a couple thousand dollars even if I have to give that person their money right back after September 2nd. It isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than having to say "sorry guys, I know you were hoping for more cool stuff in the near future but we got $0 out of kickstarter and now we're screwed."
I don't think anyone wants that outcome, so please if you have the means, drop me a line through email or here and let's hash it out.
-Ethan
ethan@divergence-online.com
http://kck.st/18XeqZ6
Not going to throw the guy under the bus with Kickstarter but seems like something they might frown on. Also Don't they take out about 10% in fees or so? Who would eat that cost? Well either way probably better to put in 3k of your own money, take the hit on the fees to get the 7 or 8k of the other pledges. Not saying that is what happened but guess is one way of thinking when you have a close drive like this.
Well good news for people who want the project to succeed or at least move ahead to whatever phase is next is that they only need to get 3,620 in 9 days.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Well this was probably for the "real" fans. This forum and us in general are more than likely viewed as a lost cause.
You never know though,maybe someone feels bad and throws in a few bucks.
So he comes here insulting us as readers of mmorpg and then begs for a penny ?
hope this guys dream will be realised, but no support from this toilet dweller.
Just a few tidbits of advice.
Never trash talk your potential customers or supporters.
My 2 copper.
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Oh do I love drama... I thought I drop back in, though I did think I was done... but the drama is soooo irresistible.
But very well. Actually, I am quite confident that the Kickstarter will succeed, even if it remains as it is to the very last day. I suspect one person will give it the final push.
With that said, as to why there are such "haters" here with this project... is that we have seen this played out before through gaming history. Below are some links of a similar story, which some of us know of. If you know nothing of this story, it is a good read. Take the time to read and understand, and perhaps may help to avoid future mistakes.
History of Battlecruiser 3000AD
Short Story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser_3000AD
Full Story:
Derek Smart's Side - http://www.loonygames.com/content/1.27/guest/
Nicholas Fang's Case Study of Battlecruiser 3000AD - http://www.stanford.edu/group/htgg/sts145papers/nfang_2001_2.pdf
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I'd put this more in the category of Glitchless' Dawn or Red Dragon Software. Derek may not be the best at interacting with people, but he does have several titles under his belt and has led numerous dev teams over the past couple decades.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Oh quite true, plus he does have mad skills. I thought of this a good lesson of history in terms of hyping and then showing; along with the flame wars. At a much bigger scale of course. I'm not familiar with the two you mentioned, so that should be a good read to spend some time.
And on a side note, really, how you can be labeled as a troll is beyond my logic. Your posts seem to be rather objective.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I try to stay very objective, however I'm quite the asshole at times, which is where that whole troll thing comes in.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
so much anger and hate
makes me wonder if all your parents did not teach you
"if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all"
Amana for president! Thanks for leaving this open. Hard to believe Ethan hasn't learned from Greedmonger's incident here. Surely he had to know about it.
I'm hoping the way he talks to his community here changes. On the forums for his game he is incredibly nice to us and never talks down this way. He doesn't make many wild claims over there either.
I don't know what the reason for this one was but I'm a bit disappointed, I have nothing against the guy but it's truly sad that a project has to suffer because he decided to post the way he did.
At the same time, a lot of the people here who spend time on mmorpg.com are completely rude and immature so it's not all fault of just one. I have seen the previous posts, even if the game seemed like vaporware some people really egged on this guy at the beginning and it's not a surprise he fires back in a passive-aggressive nature to them. It's really both sides attacking one another that have brought this situation that we have now. Even if he did ask for money several times in the past I don't see why people flamed him at first for it. Sure I can see it now where he insulted then asked.
As far as I can see though the first 2 times he asked for money he didn't do so in an elitist or demeaning way, yet he got quite a bit of hell for doing it.
Well anyway, truly sad to see things go this way, I really want to keep following this project but for now I'm going to take a break. Divergence I wish you the best.
EDIT: To give credit where credit is due, some of you on these forums did respond in a mature fashion, kudos for that.
(It sucks you dont wanna see it)