Darkfall aimbot problem

ilives

Originally posted by Azdul

Originally posted by MrBoots

You do know there was a leaked email from one of AV's employees in circulation right? In that email it was said that they have no way to detect the aimbots, stickyback, or radar hacks. That information was directly from Tasos. That email also instructed the GMs to start banning anyone they think is hacking based on personal observations and speculation.

In DF1 AV had a way to detect hacks automatically. Even a company that produces hacks confirmed that their hack was detected, and every user was banned, sometime in 2010 / 2011.

Automatic detection works this way:

If some company sells hack, then AV guys can buy it, see how it works, patch in hack detection, and ban everyone who is using it. Of course hack company can spend hours looking at each patch, to check if their hack is safe - but DF is not important enough for them to do it.

There is also server side detection - for example, if someone is stupid enough to collect two chaos chests on two sides of the continent in less than 30 seconds - it will get noticed.

Manual bans by GMs have negligible effect - they will ban only people that are really asking for it, and only to calm down the player who reported obvious hacker. You can't manually ban 50+ people in one day.

Your post is entirely untrue, AV can't and doesn't detect the hacking software or it use.  People have been using it for years, its the dummies that overdo the variables that get caught.

Annwyn

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by Azdul

In DF1 AV had a way to detect hacks automatically. Even a company that produces hacks confirmed that their hack was detected, and every user was banned, sometime in 2010 / 2011.

Automatic detection works this way:

If some company sells hack, then AV guys can buy it, see how it works, patch in hack detection, and ban everyone who is using it. Of course hack company can spend hours looking at each patch, to check if their hack is safe - but DF is not important enough for them to do it.

There is also server side detection - for example, if someone is stupid enough to collect two chaos chests on two sides of the continent in less than 30 seconds - it will get noticed.

Manual bans by GMs have negligible effect - they will ban only people that are really asking for it, and only to calm down the player who reported obvious hacker. You can't manually ban 50+ people in one day.

Your post is entirely untrue, AV can't and doesn't detect the hacking software or it use.  People have been using it for years, its the dummies that overdo the variables that get caught.

From my memories of DF1, ilives is right. At best, AV was able to know if some players were doing unusual movements on the Z axis, but that's about all they were able to do. The only reason for this is that I recall players receiving GM notifications or bans for falling off the map, so they were suspected of exploiting.

ilives

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by Azdul

In DF1 AV had a way to detect hacks automatically. Even a company that produces hacks confirmed that their hack was detected, and every user was banned, sometime in 2010 / 2011.

Automatic detection works this way:

If some company sells hack, then AV guys can buy it, see how it works, patch in hack detection, and ban everyone who is using it. Of course hack company can spend hours looking at each patch, to check if their hack is safe - but DF is not important enough for them to do it.

There is also server side detection - for example, if someone is stupid enough to collect two chaos chests on two sides of the continent in less than 30 seconds - it will get noticed.

Manual bans by GMs have negligible effect - they will ban only people that are really asking for it, and only to calm down the player who reported obvious hacker. You can't manually ban 50+ people in one day.

Your post is entirely untrue, AV can't and doesn't detect the hacking software or it use.  People have been using it for years, its the dummies that overdo the variables that get caught.

From my memories of DF1, ilives is right. At best, AV was able to know if some players were doing unusual movements on the Z axis, but that's about all they were able to do. The only reason for this is that I recall players receiving GM notifications or bans for falling off the map, so they were suspected of exploiting.

It's these types that get caught  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vZfOOQtIqys

CactusJack

Hacking was part of DF 1 as I'm sure it is now in DF:UW. Some guy in one of the few clans I was in, made a teleport hack that would teleport you to any bindstone or village that WE controlled. You had to be careful though bc if you teleported too soon after someone else, the list of choices would automatically send you to the next one...if I remember correctly.

I knew a girl that played that had some sort of flying hack, but it was poorly done bc the hit detection was iffy and she would slam into trees. It was pretty funny actually.

I always wondered why they never at least used punkbuster as it's used in all the fps games that I play. Hacks are always going to be around, it's a fact. 

I personally never ran into much of it, or it was well hidden. It seems when I see them in games like Call of Duty or Battlefield, they are terribly done and a guy will ring up 100 headshots in under 3 mins or some nonsense.

The best thing I have found when I run into someone hacking is to just start frapping it. No need to start crying or screaming...just record it. Every decent server has some clan running it with a forum. Make an account on their site and post the link. 

I have gotten several..."hey thanks for showing us this." replies. It's fast and simple. Of course, if it's a crappy clan or an actual member of of the host clan...it can get dicey. But who cares? Post it anyway.

 

DAS1337

This is just one of the many horrible flaws of a free aim combat system.  The other huge one is exploiting other players while they are trying to attack things.  For instance, running in front of them while they are attacking something and causing them to flag.

 

All these free aim supporters piss and moan about how it's such a great system.  And I sit and laugh, because the same people will be pissing and moaning about exploiters and aimhacks. 

 

This is why a soft tab-targetting system is the best combat system for a MMO.  No aim bots.  No exploiting because of targetting.  No latency combat issues. 

ilives

Originally posted by DAS1337

This is just one of the many horrible flaws of a free aim combat system.  The other huge one is exploiting other players while they are trying to attack things.  For instance, running in front of them while they are attacking something and causing them to flag.

 

All these free aim supporters piss and moan about how it's such a great system.  And I sit and laugh, because the same people will be pissing and moaning about exploiters and aimhacks. 

 

This is why a soft tab-targetting system is the best combat system for a MMO.  No aim bots.  No exploiting because of targetting.  No latency combat issues. 

Problem is the "hack package" is more than just a aim bot. Tab targeting wouldn't stop people from getting a major advantage using said hacks.

AwDiddums

Originally posted by Deleted User

People always have, and will continue to use aimbots...

Only, as others have mentioned its not aimbo but that's the general term.

What most "pro" pvpers in DF have been using, and since 1.0, is something that works off pixel detection.

Ive been privy to a lot of voice chat conversations that lead me to believe the problem is widespread among the veteran and new player community...a majority of the good players basically use something they shouldn't.

Its funny because you see on forums and in game accusations flying (hackusations) and then in voice chat a guy who makes the cheats pops in and a bunch of people from other clans who all hate eachother and call eachother hackers go into private channels with the guy....

I expect at least someone from the vet community to say im wrong, but I was a part of a bunch of large and or powerful DF clans from 1.0 launch up until a few months ago...I was trusted, and I was bad at pvp...the guy who made them really wanted to help me out, even for a discount...once I knew who he was...I saw a lot of well known and trusted pvpers who were great have a lot of conversations with the guy...

Needless to say...cheating in that game always was and always will be rampant...it just appeals too much to the community to dominate for bragging rights...you wont get banned unless you use website hacks that can be detected...which is why so many have been cheating in this game since like 2009 without a ban.

Haha I found this bit quite hilarious, "PRO" pvpers? really, if you require something that bypasses the need to use your own personal skills to make a kill against another player, are you really then considered a Pro PvP player? is that all it takes these days to be top dog, get yourself a cheat program and hey presto your a "PRO".

 

CactusJack

Hey Xypher, 

Thanks for the idiot accusation, that's nice. As I am aware of that bindstone mechanic, maybe I should have been more descriptive. This particular player had an outside program that you had to have an account to access. Once you entered the password(that got changed regularly) you would enter the destination. It basically allowed everyone to bind anywhere and bypass the timer. 

You're general level of anger is a bit confusing. I generally enjoy your posts xpiher, but maybe you are just having a bad day. 

I could be that you feeling nostalgic about posting about DF1 and you thought you were back on the official forums. I remember they didn't really care how people communicated. I would be careful here as they will temp ban you in an instant. Thanks for the feedback.

Cheers.

xpiher

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by ilives

The same "third party" cheat app has worked since DF1 and still works today.  The Unholy Ban Hammer is a joke and only serves to give the impression AV is doing something.

I'm not sure why any fan of the game wouldn't want this video everywhere, it'll never get addressed if they keep trying to hide it. Alas, it's been going on since 2009.

 

Cheating is much more damaging in a Full Loot PvP game.

Sorry dude but blaming Adventurine for letting people use aimbots is like blaming the Olympics for letting people use steroids.   They know it is happening and they do what they can to prevent but that will never stop people from trying to gain an advantage. 

When they've been using the exact same program for over 4 years, yes it is AV fault.

1) This is simply a false hood. Damncheaters has stopped working serveral time throughout DFOs life span and it didn't exist for Unholy Wars, at least as a professional script, until 2 months after launch .

2)Aim botting does not require people to hook into the client. It can run on pixel detection and therefore undetectable. When it also uses client hooking to track unseen player movement is when it can be detected, and those are people who get banned on the ban hammer and it happens on a pretty regular basis. 

3) Aim botting is not prevlant in the game. People have simply learned that wobble can be circumvented by strafing because it forces the projectile to go to the outer edge in opposite side in the direction you are moving of the reticle. This means, as long as that part of the rectile is over the hit box, it will hit since the virtical distance covers the hit box. 

Clearly you are misinformed, you'd think with 25000+ posts on the Darkfall forums alone you'd have a better grasp.

I beg to differ. The forums are full of hackusations because people are terribly at PvP and have big egos. They can't understand why someone would kill them so they blame hacks. I'm a terrible player and I've been accused of hacking when nearly flawlessing a worse player. Because I know how to land arrow shots with the method I described above 

ilives

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by Boneserino

Originally posted by ilives

The same "third party" cheat app has worked since DF1 and still works today.  The Unholy Ban Hammer is a joke and only serves to give the impression AV is doing something.

I'm not sure why any fan of the game wouldn't want this video everywhere, it'll never get addressed if they keep trying to hide it. Alas, it's been going on since 2009.

 

Cheating is much more damaging in a Full Loot PvP game.

Sorry dude but blaming Adventurine for letting people use aimbots is like blaming the Olympics for letting people use steroids.   They know it is happening and they do what they can to prevent but that will never stop people from trying to gain an advantage. 

When they've been using the exact same program for over 4 years, yes it is AV fault.

1) This is simply a false hood. Damncheaters has stopped working serveral time throughout DFOs life span and it didn't exist for Unholy Wars, at least as a professional script, until 2 months after launch .

2)Aim botting does not require people to hook into the client. It can run on pixel detection and therefore undetectable. When it also uses client hooking to track unseen player movement is when it can be detected, and those are people who get banned on the ban hammer and it happens on a pretty regular basis. 

3) Aim botting is not prevlant in the game. People have simply learned that wobble can be circumvented by strafing because it forces the projectile to go to the outer edge in opposite side in the direction you are moving of the reticle. This means, as long as that part of the rectile is over the hit box, it will hit since the virtical distance covers the hit box. 

Clearly you are misinformed, you'd think with 25000+ posts on the Darkfall forums alone you'd have a better grasp.

I beg to differ. The forums are full of hackusations because people are terribly at PvP and have big egos. They can't understand why someone would kill them so they blame hacks. I'm a terrible player and I've been accused of hacking when nearly flawlessing a worse player. Because I know how to land arrow shots with the method I described above 

How many videos need to be posted showing the indisputable use of Hacks in DFUW?

123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

He was banned because he bragged about his aimbot in coms and showing it off, not knowing some1 recorded the whole thing and then put it on youtube. Most peeps aren't as stupid as him and wont get caught. So don't spread lies bout cheaters getting caught and banned cause every1 knows AV can't do shit to get them. Only way is if some1 records it and show cheaters stickyback peeps, doing 180 turns, and landning every shot. But AV can't do shit on their own. Only fanbois think otherwise. 

123443211234

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

He was banned because he bragged about his aimbot in coms and showing it off, not knowing some1 recorded the whole thing and then put it on youtube. Most peeps aren't as stupid as him and wont get caught. So don't spread lies bout cheaters getting caught and banned cause every1 knows AV can't do shit to get them. Only way is if some1 records it and show cheaters stickyback peeps, doing 180 turns, and landning every shot. But AV can't do shit on their own. Only fanbois think otherwise. 

AV bans cheaters all the time and the hacking problem isn't nearly as bad as you make it sound.  You sound just like one of those big ego players that can't take a loss and doesn't realize you actually suck at the game.  Hence your need to proclaim "hackers are everywhere!"  It's just not true they are pretty few and far between and any true veteran of the game can easily tell when someone is using real hacks vs. just being good or having lag issues.

 

Like I said before this game has far bigger problems than hacking it has a severe lack of content and massive battle/siege performance issues up the ass, hacking isn't even in the top 10 biggest problems with DFUW.

Holophonist

Hacking is a scapegoat. When I was playing there were always people in my clan in mumble accusing people of hacking. A lot of the time it turned out they were accusing somebody who have known pvp videos, in which you can clearly see they're not hacking. The only thing that's running rampant is hacking accusations, not hacking.

Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

He was banned because he bragged about his aimbot in coms and showing it off, not knowing some1 recorded the whole thing and then put it on youtube. Most peeps aren't as stupid as him and wont get caught. So don't spread lies bout cheaters getting caught and banned cause every1 knows AV can't do shit to get them. Only way is if some1 records it and show cheaters stickyback peeps, doing 180 turns, and landning every shot. But AV can't do shit on their own. Only fanbois think otherwise. 

AV bans cheaters all the time and the hacking problem isn't nearly as bad as you make it sound.  You sound just like one of those big ego players that can't take a loss and doesn't realize you actually suck at the game.  Hence your need to proclaim "hackers are everywhere!"  It's just not true they are pretty few and far between and any true veteran of the game can easily tell when someone is using real hacks vs. just being good or having lag issues.

 

Like I said before this game has far bigger problems than hacking it has a severe lack of content and massive battle/siege performance issues up the ass, hacking isn't even in the top 10 biggest problems with DFUW.

Where did I say that there were "hackers everywhere"? I answered you poor assumption that AV "got that hacker" themselves. While the truth was they only got him and banned him because some1 posted a vid about it on youtube... So one can easily asume that the dark number, and the ones that don't brag about it on coms or get cought "on tape" etc, are alot higher. Is it game breaking? Well, it sure is for those that run into them. Are they many? Well, it's enough for people to react on it and make several threads about it on DFUW forums, that keeps getting closed by the mods cause the truth is AV can't do shit about it. You say they ban them all the time? They ban gold sellers etc alot, they don't get cheaters all the time.

But I do agree that AVs lack of content, lack of communication and siege performance, is prolly a bigger issue. But that doesn't make aimbotters/cheaters slide... And ofc aimbotters in a open world full loot PVP game is a problem. However big or small you seem to think it is. And that's what this thread is about.

ilives

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by 123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

He was banned because he bragged about his aimbot in coms and showing it off, not knowing some1 recorded the whole thing and then put it on youtube. Most peeps aren't as stupid as him and wont get caught. So don't spread lies bout cheaters getting caught and banned cause every1 knows AV can't do shit to get them. Only way is if some1 records it and show cheaters stickyback peeps, doing 180 turns, and landning every shot. But AV can't do shit on their own. Only fanbois think otherwise. 

AV bans cheaters all the time and the hacking problem isn't nearly as bad as you make it sound.  You sound just like one of those big ego players that can't take a loss and doesn't realize you actually suck at the game.  Hence your need to proclaim "hackers are everywhere!"  It's just not true they are pretty few and far between and any true veteran of the game can easily tell when someone is using real hacks vs. just being good or having lag issues.

 

Like I said before this game has far bigger problems than hacking it has a severe lack of content and massive battle/siege performance issues up the ass, hacking isn't even in the top 10 biggest problems with DFUW.

Where did I say that there were "hackers everywhere"? I answered you poor assumption that AV "got that hacker" themselves. While the truth was they only got him and banned him because some1 posted a vid about it on youtube... So one can easily asume that the dark number, and the ones that don't brag about it on coms or get cought "on tape" etc, are alot higher. Is it game breaking? Well, it sure is for those that run into them. Are they many? Well, it's enough for people to react on it and make several threads about it on DFUW forums, that keeps getting closed by the mods cause the truth is AV can't do shit about it. You say they ban them all the time? They ban gold sellers etc alot, they don't get cheaters all the time.

But I do agree that AVs lack of content, lack of communication and siege performance, is prolly a bigger issue. But that doesn't make aimbotters/cheaters slide... And ofc aimbotters in a open world full loot PVP game is a problem. However big or small you seem to think it is. And that's what this thread is about.

For once we agree

Aragon100

Originally posted by 123443211234

Look here guys while I think xipher is a moron, in this one case in regards to hacking he is actually quite correct.  There really isn't a big deal with hacking or aimbotting in DFuw.  Many many many people simply cannot believe they were bested in pvp and will grasp at whatever excuse they can to maintain their ego that they weren't beaten by skill but simply a program.  

 

There are hacks out there and a few people use them, but its very few and far between and they do get banned.  For instance the guy in the youtube video demonstrating them that kicked off this whole thread was banned a couple weeks ago.

 

DFuw has far bigger problems than hackers, like lack of content that any prospective player should be much more worried about.

You have no clue how widespread cheating is in DFUW. A few people use them you say and where did you get that information from? Gimme some numbers that is accurate please. You cant? That was strange since you're so sure there is just a few that cheats.

That dont make you very trustworthy.

Some cheats are nearly impossible to detect so why come here telling us that you have a clue?

It could be 50% that cheats and you would still not see it.

IridescentOrk

this is not a problem, it's part of the gameplay experience since DF1

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ilives

Originally posted by IridescentOrk
this is not a problem, it's part of the gameplay experience since DF1

Darkfall has always been about exploit management,  not actual skill.

Aragon100

Originally posted by ilives

Originally posted by IridescentOrk
this is not a problem, it's part of the gameplay experience since DF1

Darkfall has always been about exploit management,  not actual skill.

Yeah, many of the so called best PvP players on DF1 was actually cheaters and since Aventurine have no way detecting them im pretty sure it's the same in DFUW.

 

gamekid2k

Tons (40+)  of people got banned last 7 days. Check http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/  . They are taking a very aggressive posture against cheater.  It is a very time consuming thing for them review each complain at a time.  Game hacking is becoming sophisticated day by day. I heard Mortal Online got the worse cheater problem of all games.

Aragon100

Originally posted by gamekid2k
Tons (40+)  of people got banned last 7 days. Check http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/  . They are taking a very aggressive posture against cheater.  It is a very time consuming thing for them review each complain at a time.  Game hacking is becoming sophisticated day by day. I heard Mortal Online got the worse cheater problem of all games.

Banhammer is just a way for Aventurine to make players believe they are on top of things. Cheaters dont show up in their system. 

They need a video on youtube where the player himself tell them he is a cheater. 

 

Lustmord

Since the last patch, people don't die in under 10 seconds anymore so it doesn't feel like your getting aimbotted down like it did.

Aragon100

Originally posted by Lustmord
Since the last patch, people don't die in under 10 seconds anymore so it doesn't feel like your getting aimbotted down like it did.

Aimbotters still dont miss 1 shot so it just take them abit longer to kill you then.

Some also lust put aimbot on when they need to.