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Blanket bans for up to 72 hrs to anyone who has 8 mil gill or more.
Zalmon
Member Posts: 319
No, doesn't matter if you made it legit or not. You are banned. Also banned if you sell crafted items to players who bought gil from gilsellers.
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72 hours is too long, but on the other hand the efficiency of a anti-RMT sweep targetting the gil buyers is most effective if it comes as a surprise to everyone.
I do hope the temporarily banned players get compensation if they are innocent.
It does however not come as a surprise that plenty of the high level crafters have had customers that buy gil. It is common sense. Those who buy expensive HQ i70 tems are either rich crafters from different professions or GIL buyers; regular people prefer grinding dungeons won't ever see that kind of money before they themselves get decent gear through dungeon as well.
GOOD!!! This is great news and alot of the people complaining on thge forums are either selling or buying and try to play the victim. Hopefully SE stands there ground and throws these people out of the game as Gold spamming has gotten completly out of control. Spending my first 5 minutes of gametime everyday blacklisting spammers is not fun.
GOOD JOB SE!!!!!!
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Kinda scary to hear that you can get banned for selling legit items if the buyer RMT'd his gil. IMO you don't have a thing to do with it and SE should not ban you for this. It's not even breaking the EULA...
About the 8M+ gil owners. Why can't they investigate them without suspending their accounts? IMO they can simply run a query on your gil transactions and see if it's legit money or not...
Did they already initiate these bans? I worry because I was one of the first few lvl 50 weavers on my server and who knows who I have sold to.
I unfortunately do not have over 8 million gil, hell, I don't even have a million gil, so I guess I am safe in that department.
I just checked my e-mail/SE account on their webpage and haven't received any notification of bans, so hopefully I am in the clear.
Unless they haven't initiated all of this yet.
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For the record, this is also somewhat inaccurate information.
The way they were selling "legit items" has been widely exaggerated, at least by the people on reddit.
What was happening was that people were selling legitimate items for horribly inflated prices. example: Selling an allagan gold piece for 10 million gil. This way, it looked like a legitimate purchase was happening, even though it was being used to transfer funds from gil-sellers to RMT users.
While I don't know the specifics about every case, this is what was happening on Ultros. I didn't shed a tear for these people. Our server seems to be rife with controversy.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
A lot of people use this method to transfer fund between their alts. I used this method too where i wanted to transfer all my gil from my lvl 40 from 1.0 to new character that i made in 2.0. So it is not just for RMT users.
Still better than the perma-bans they've been tossing out to people who get their account compromised. Mine was banned for "Advertising the sale of gil"...
Still waiting on a response from my escalated petition.
Its definitely a good thing that SE is getting very proactive on the whole RMT issue, and, its also interesting the responses getting about it. Obviously SE have run the numbers and are targetting the groups most likely involved in these activities, the numbers that arent that might get caught up are probably very very small.
meantime keep on reporting people in game for gold spamming, the way to do it, is hit the system tab and select the support desk, click on the rmt advertisement link, and fill out the form with a copy/paste of the message with the name of the toon spamming and the server your on in the header.
The war on RMT sellers is a war that is very winnable, as this is not a F2P game where they can use 'disposable' accounts, they have to buy every single one, so the more they lose, the more they lose in terms of $$
Once you've resecured your account and changed passwords etc, you might want to consider buying a security token, in the meantime, your email account has undoubtedly been compromised too, which is most likely how they managed to gain access to your game account. Might want to think about securing that too
While I won't dispute your comment about it being "winnable" I question that they are buying their accounts. They are just using hacked accounts.
Back in the days when I worked on a Tech Support help desk, I'd have to reset domain account passwords all the time. After a couple years of doing that, I was amazed at the number of people who used the name of a popular Disney character. (I'm leaving it out here, but you can guess I am sure)
Back then, I knew that if I'd written a script that attempted a log in using everyone's email as a user name and then used that one character's name as a password, I knew that I'd have access with multiple accounts within an hour or 2.
I don't think people have gotten much better over the years.
Belle? Beast?
Aurora?
Alladin? Genie? Jafar?
Baloo? Mowgli?
Dumbo?
Pluto? Goofy?
Man, there are just so many. :-P
Yea.. people are idiots with their passwords. That is the one thing that has NEVER changed on the internet. I'll never understand. I have a different password for all of my accounts, paypal is completely different than the rest, email is also completely different. If someone were to break into my house and decode all my sticky notes they might be able to access a few of them... maybe. I can barely understand my sticky notes.
Such a shame. Authenticators should be the way of the future for everything. If you want to have access to banking and whatnot a second check seems like the best alternative. If not some form of ID card/chip, then a simple authenticator one-time use. Seems obvious to me.
Agreed. I use a unique password for every game & account I have, and once I realized I'd be playing FFARR for longer then a month or so, I ordered my authenticator. $11 is a small price to pay for peace of mind.
As far as the bans go, I say good for them. It's no different than law enforcement agencies detaining people during an investigation; it allows them to focus on their job without worry that the 'suspect' is out & about covering his / her tracks.
I've never been happier to be a piss poor trader, lol.
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Classic money-laundering, lol
I see some of the top end items going for 1M+ on our server right now
Well, let's see here... to make a Hard Hippogryph Leather, you need what, 9 Potash and an HQ Hippogryph Skin?
1 potash is 35k a piece atm, x 9 you'd be just over 300k. For the hard hippogryph leather alone.
Most of the end-game gryphon gear requires 1-2 pieces of this leather, so there's 600k right there. That doesn't include the other ingredients....
Realistically, a top-tier end game item would be anywhere from 250k - 1 million gil. At least if I had to guess based solely on current prices, availability, and the number of crafters capable of actually making it.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Too bad I earned 17 million Gil (I started by leveling all professions classes) and now I am banned for 3 days because I am under RMT investigation. Good job SE!
Ill never understand the whine about gil generation, there are plenty of ways to obtain them and I for one are secured for bit.
Fishing is also decent for generating gil, the leves for it makes gil generating look like wow dailies on steroids.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.
There seems to be a least a few legit bans.
The thread at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/98731-S_E-How-to-lose-hundreds-or-thousands-of-dollars-a-year-in-one-day.-%28crafting-bans%29 is a good a example. It started as a whine about being banned unfairly, and then it was later shown that the user has been very open about his RMT activities on the internet using the same name (lol that arrogance).
There are going to be a lot of legit bans when a game is as overridden with gil sellers as seems to be the case. Problem is IMO is making the threshold at 8 mil in a game where gear sells for mil a pop, pretty easy for a hardcore player to have that much by now.
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yes but the question is why was it selling for a mil a pop? There are less than 1000 quests total in the game. The level 50 quests reward about 1200 gil.
Lets assume there are 1000 quests in the game (which there arent), and assume each one pays 1000 gil (which they dont), you still only end up with 1 million gil (assuming you dont spent a single gil 1-50 which is absurd). So when items goes up for sale for 1 million+ and sell regularly, its not from gil fountains. Its most likely from farmers using a known duping exploit and perhaps even regular players duping. SE seems forced to do this until they get it under control.
This. SE knows how much they have in the quest grinder in so far as gil goes. It's a simple calculation for them. I'm sure they have an analyst who tracks this regularly. These numbers are important for a games development. I'm sure at some point the 8m was the line in the sand though I'm sure there is a HUGE gray ambiguous area that are likely also guilty/or not.
Problem is.. if they don't act fast, the economy gets trashed. Look at Neverwinter. People dumped their gold into shell accounts and then dumped again. Now that money is STILL there. Blanket 3 day bans seem like an effective solution. Now, if they are found to be incorrectly banned, then a 3 day credit should be applied (or even 7 day for some SE goodwill). All in all, the company is TRYING to protect its interests.