They aren't interested in any feedback (legit or otherwise)
Everyone keeps buying their virtual crap, so why would they change anything?
I'm sure you have bought something in your life that some people would think is crap, but I bet people didn't spend over two years of their life bashing your crap or posting misinformation and lies about your crap.
Yes why would they change? Over a million players a month. Making a profit. Still releasing content every 4-6 weeks.
The game is currently healthy and doing good the same 5-10 poster bashing it on every thread here won't change that. A word of advice if you don't like the game and think it's crap focus your energy on something you do like.
Aren't we feisty this morning.
How was that feisty? I was just making a point that because you think it may be crap a lot of people don't. There are things you like others don't but doesn't mean your stuff is crap. If any one was feisty it was you "virtual crap". I understand I gave a few facts like a million players a month , a profit , and new content every 4-6 weeks but for some facts equal feisty I guess.
A 20 dollar dye is virtual crap, regardless of what you say.
I've always wondered what the point of a goodbye post is anyway?
Usually, but not always it's someone that didn't like the game and they usually post there feedback in a trolling manner so why bother anyway you don't like it just leave and never look back, is it really that hard?
And I also read the goodbye and I agree with others he basically says one good thing just to turn around and say ten bad things I mean how is that helpful especially when half the things he's complaining about are silly.......
He has a couple good points in there but it gets lost in the rest of the mess........
Rating the ART in the game a 1 is just...lol well. Yeah.
Some of the planets, backgrounds, SCALE (ie it's to scale) are just awesome. Am I saying 10? No, of course not. But a 1 is just someone screaming for more attention.
See this is exactly what i'm talking about
The OP didn't attack any people, in fact he didnt attack anyone, he simply stated he was leaving the game and then he gave his score.
Just because you don't agree with his score, doesn't mean he is trolling. You simply just don't share the same opinion that the art is a 1. I wouldn't be surprised if you start calling everyone you meet a troll because they don't have the same opinions as you.
Unfortunately the official swtor forums are full of people who do the sort of thing you just did.
The OP didn't attack any people, in fact he didnt attack anyone, he simply stated he was leaving the game and then he gave his score.
oh come on. You are either purposefully being obtuse or just haven't been around the block enough ...
I will no longer be playing SWToR for reasons I cannot discuss.
Obviously something "went down"
Hopefully SWToR will be around in a couple of years, so good luck to you all in your future adventures!
Thank you EA for your generous offer and as indicated in my response I accept.If this thread needs to be deleted due to legal issues please do so.
So, not only did "something go down" but it was between him and EA/Bioware, for some reason there is the mention of "legal issues", they made him "some offer" which he accepts and will no longer be playing.
Then he leaves his "scores" with his passive agressive:
My final ratings for the game:
etc
Overall:
4.0 "Mediocre"
And then this parting salvo:
p.s. Greg says hi
Which, given the timbre of his post comes across as being like a parting dig.
The whole thing smacks of someone trying to be sickly sweet while they give you the finger.
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Well, the OP started an absolute clear Troll-Thread and there were some harsh (but not really dirty) reposts. This would be just the same, if you would post something in the GW2, Tera, TSW, etc... Forums.
I will never understand, why so many gamers tend to go to forums of games they dont like, just to piss off some other people. People in book forums wont do this, even people in movie forums dont do this as often as gamers do.
P.S. ...and yes, this here is a troll-thread as well. Maybe even by the same person.
Because it is a MMO and gets updated, and can change.
Books and Movies do not change once written, they are usually set in stone
I see no harm with the leaving threads. People say their peace, if the developers can fix the problem with the game, then that person and / or others come back. If it the post gets burned and ignored, or beyond fixing, then game stays the same as it is with people quitting left right and centre.
The OP didn't attack any people, in fact he didnt attack anyone, he simply stated he was leaving the game and then he gave his score.
oh come on. You are either purposefully being obtuse or just haven't been around the block enough ...
I will no longer be playing SWToR for reasons I cannot discuss.
Obviously something "went down"
Hopefully SWToR will be around in a couple of years, so good luck to you all in your future adventures!
Thank you EA for your generous offer and as indicated in my response I accept.If this thread needs to be deleted due to legal issues please do so.
So, not only did "something go down" but it was between him and EA/Bioware, for some reason there is the mention of "legal issues", they made him "some offer" which he accepts and will no longer be playing.
Then he leaves his "scores" with his passive agressive:
My final ratings for the game:
etc
Overall:
4.0 "Mediocre"
And then this parting salvo:
p.s. Greg says hi
Which, given the timbre of his post comes across as being like a parting dig.
The whole thing smacks of someone trying to be sickly sweet while they give you the finger.
Well you know, you can interpret that any way you like, it's just your opinion that it's passive aggressive.
(In case it gets deleted, it just a guy who made a short post that he's leaving the game, he thanks EA and says he hopes the game would be around in a couple of years, and then rates certain parts of the game with an out of 10 score, with a total score of 4/10)
Check out the backlash in the replies for yourself. He's being called a troll simply because he gave the game a low score. You will see this on pretty much any thread that criticizes the game.
The funny thing is, if you be honest with your opinion and critizise the game and get a load of nasty comments from the Bio drone defenders, you're the one who's probably going to get banned or given an infraction for "baiting, starting arguments to get a reaction" etc and everyone else will get away with it.
So for anyone who comes on here, just a warning to you, avoid the official forums.
So wait... it's news that fans act like fans? You can see this type of behavior on any message board not just TOR's, you will also see most supporters do so without punishment on just about any games forums. What the guy is saying or not saying is irrelevant to this point.
I'd also argue there's not much point in creating a thread like that outside of fishing for reactions. What other kind of "discussion" would come from such a post on any games forum besides what you're seeing there?
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If you are a game dev company , and someone give a bad crtitc on your forum, where everyone can read it (also potential new players) , YOU DELETE IT .
MMO gamers are a bunch of haters and behave in the internet like assholes. There is no point in a discussion, why they don't like something, its wasted time.
What?!?
You mean it's not normal, healthy , mature behavior to bash a video game you don't play for over two years?
Its not normal, healthy , mature behavior to hate a video game and post lies and misinformation about it for over two years?
a normal mmo player? where have you seen this mythical creature?
normal people dont play mmos at all, they spend their lives in the real World
The fact that 2 million people bought the game at launch and was left with only about 500K subs by F2P, I would score the game 25% / 2.5 / 10 - A MMO is a game to play for years, not like single player games.
If the game was a single player game then it probably would be 8/10, as all early reviews gave, but it has failed on keeping adequate updates as hyped by Bioware. The updates that the game has gotten is no where near the quality of what was envisioned.
If you are a game dev company , and someone give a bad crtitc on your forum, where everyone can read it (also potential new players) , YOU DELETE IT .
MMO gamers are a bunch of haters and behave in the internet like assholes. There is no point in a discussion, why they don't like something, its wasted time.
What?!?
You mean it's not normal, healthy , mature behavior to bash a video game you don't play for over two years?
Its not normal, healthy , mature behavior to hate a video game and post lies and misinformation about it for over two years?
a normal mmo player? where have you seen this mythical creature?
normal people dont play mmos at all, they spend their lives in the real World
we bash the game , because it didnt deliver
you bash our posts, because...?
I don't bash your post, unless it lacks facts proofs or links. And then I don't bash them I ask nicely for the proof, links or facts. But it seems those who have spent the last two plus years bashing and hating a video game get all angry when the are asked to back up their misinformation.
When you cancel a sub the game will often offer you a feedback type of survey asking why. If your goal was to really tell the developers why you're quitting a game this is the right place to do it.
If your goal is to cause a bunch of drama and do some "damage" before you go, you make a public spectacle out of it and post it on the official forums. There is only one reason why people need to make posts like that, and it has nothing at all to do with helping a game.
eurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters too
at launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer gogles
as soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordingly
and swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
And PC gamer gave it a 93, http://www.pcgamer.com/review/star-wars-the-old-republic-review/ (that's a link) this site has an average rating of 7.3. I'm sure you had to look hard for that 4 but if you took all the reviews and averaged them out you probably looking at 7.5-8. And the issue with those is the game has only got better since launch.
You our goggles may be that way but the million of players every month feel different, the profit they are showing proves a lot of people feel different and that they still release content every 4-6 weeks shows the game is a lot different and better then before.
Now there is nothing wrong with not liking a game but picking one low review to base the entire game is a joke. To think because you wear goggles when playing a video game that everyone wears the same goggles is a joke. Why keep posting if your goggles broke? Why keep posting and looking for bad reviews (how about a link to that review btw) why keep posting negative on every Swtor post? I would think spending energy on something you enjoy would be a much more productive hobby.
If you are a game dev company , and someone give a bad crtitc on your forum, where everyone can read it (also potential new players) , YOU DELETE IT .
MMO gamers are a bunch of haters and behave in the internet like assholes. There is no point in a discussion, why they don't like something, its wasted time.
What?!?
You mean it's not normal, healthy , mature behavior to bash a video game you don't play for over two years?
Its not normal, healthy , mature behavior to hate a video game and post lies and misinformation about it for over two years?
a normal mmo player? where have you seen this mythical creature?
normal people dont play mmos at all, they spend their lives in the real World
we bash the game , because it didnt deliver
you bash our posts, because...?
I don't bash your post, unless it lacks facts proofs or links. And then I don't bash them I ask nicely for the proof, links or facts. But it seems those who have spent the last two plus years bashing and hating a video game get all angry when the are asked to back up their misinformation.
you want info?
one of the biggest budgets in gaming history
the most expensive IP in gaming
nearly 3 mio sold boxes at launch (roughly 10x WOW numbers)
dropping to 500k subs in a year
going F2P in a year
i suck at business, but even i can see, that , this is going downwards..not up
of course , the devs wont admit to it..i doubt any dev, would do that
Its better off to go away quietly and vote with your wallet and not to report anything, that include bugs in the game..That what i do... Yup there a bug, the games sucks and i uninstall.Dont need to report or run to the forums where you get bashed for anything.. Dont care if the game lives or die, i just go away quietly and play a different game.
If you are a game dev company , and someone give a bad crtitc on your forum, where everyone can read it (also potential new players) , YOU DELETE IT .
MMO gamers are a bunch of haters and behave in the internet like assholes. There is no point in a discussion, why they don't like something, its wasted time.
What?!?
You mean it's not normal, healthy , mature behavior to bash a video game you don't play for over two years?
Its not normal, healthy , mature behavior to hate a video game and post lies and misinformation about it for over two years?
a normal mmo player? where have you seen this mythical creature?
normal people dont play mmos at all, they spend their lives in the real World
we bash the game , because it didnt deliver
you bash our posts, because...?
I don't bash your post, unless it lacks facts proofs or links. And then I don't bash them I ask nicely for the proof, links or facts. But it seems those who have spent the last two plus years bashing and hating a video game get all angry when the are asked to back up their misinformation.
you want info?
one of the biggest budgets in gaming history
the most expensive IP in gaming
nearly 3 mio sold boxes at launch (roughly 10x WOW numbers)
dropping to 500k subs in a year
going F2P in a year
i suck at business, but even i can see, that , this is going downwards..not up
of course , the devs wont admit to it..i doubt any dev, would do that
its their jobs on the line, after all
That fine you can keep going back to the past but I prefer to live in the present. I'm not denying those facts your saying, but that's all the haters have. Most post contain "at launch" "had" "1st year" etc etc. now it's understandable for those who have spent over two years bashing a video they would not want to discuss the current game.
You know things like...
a million players a month
making a profit
all the content they have released since launch
new content every 4-6 weeks
Currently a very healthy game.
So you hold tight to the past those who enjoy Swtor will enjoy the present and look forward to the future.
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
nearly 3 mio sold boxes at launch (roughly 10x WOW numbers)
dropping to 500k subs in a year
going F2P in a year
i suck at business, but even i can see, that , this is going downwards..not up
of course , the devs wont admit to it..i doubt any dev, would do that
its their jobs on the line, after all
There are a few assumptions there but that's understandable because EA/Bioware hada lot of assumptions as well.
I remember before the game launched I though tthe game would retain 300k players. Not because I'm some "wizard" but because most games, if you take wow out of the equation and some Asian mmo's, don't really have more than that. I think EVE might have in the upper 300k area.
So the assumption is that this game should have kept it's numbers. So what if the IP is known, there is a large group of plaeyrs who play games, exaust the content and move on. Given that Bioware couldn't keep up with the story aspects fast enough it makes sense that a smaller, but still decent size population remain after launch.
As far as f2p being "a failure", I would say that EA/Bioware thought this game was going to have WoW numbers. Which was very optimistic as only WoW has "WoW numbers". Since the population "righted itself" as it should have, a sub plan wasn't going to be sustainable with the lesser amount of players.
Game companies know that cash shops bring in money. Look at Turbine, they changed DDO, had it explode with the amount of "short term money" and then decid3ed to make LOTRO the same thing.
F2P brings in fast money. I can't say I'm a fan of it for a variety of reasons but because they "alinged" the game to a plan that made more sense to current players it was the right thing to do.
I sometimes think gamers "think" this is all one big club and if a game doesn't do well then the devs/publishers should just pull the plug and "try again". But it isn't a club, it's a business and business need to survive. As you point out there are jobs on the line. So they did the only smart thing to keep it going and it worked. Not everyone was laid off, the game continues and those who like it are happy.
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A 20 dollar dye is virtual crap, regardless of what you say.
I've always wondered what the point of a goodbye post is anyway?
Usually, but not always it's someone that didn't like the game and they usually post there feedback in a trolling manner so why bother anyway you don't like it just leave and never look back, is it really that hard?
And I also read the goodbye and I agree with others he basically says one good thing just to turn around and say ten bad things I mean how is that helpful especially when half the things he's complaining about are silly.......
He has a couple good points in there but it gets lost in the rest of the mess........
See this is exactly what i'm talking about
The OP didn't attack any people, in fact he didnt attack anyone, he simply stated he was leaving the game and then he gave his score.
Just because you don't agree with his score, doesn't mean he is trolling. You simply just don't share the same opinion that the art is a 1. I wouldn't be surprised if you start calling everyone you meet a troll because they don't have the same opinions as you.
Unfortunately the official swtor forums are full of people who do the sort of thing you just did.
If its against their rules to post "I'm leaving this game threads" then he should try something new, and follow the rules. He had it coming
http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
Unless i'm blind, i dont see anything there saying we can't post "im leaving" threads.
but I can see this
Do not bump posts to the top without adding constructive content to the thread.
It seems many of the people in that thread have broken that rule but obviously they won't be punished
oh come on. You are either purposefully being obtuse or just haven't been around the block enough ...
I will no longer be playing SWToR for reasons I cannot discuss.
Obviously something "went down"
Hopefully SWToR will be around in a couple of years, so good luck to you all in your future adventures!
Thank you EA for your generous offer and as indicated in my response I accept. If this thread needs to be deleted due to legal issues please do so.
So, not only did "something go down" but it was between him and EA/Bioware, for some reason there is the mention of "legal issues", they made him "some offer" which he accepts and will no longer be playing.
Then he leaves his "scores" with his passive agressive:
My final ratings for the game:
etc
Overall:
4.0 "Mediocre"
And then this parting salvo:
p.s. Greg says hi
Which, given the timbre of his post comes across as being like a parting dig.
The whole thing smacks of someone trying to be sickly sweet while they give you the finger.
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Because it is a MMO and gets updated, and can change.
Books and Movies do not change once written, they are usually set in stone
I see no harm with the leaving threads. People say their peace, if the developers can fix the problem with the game, then that person and / or others come back. If it the post gets burned and ignored, or beyond fixing, then game stays the same as it is with people quitting left right and centre.
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Well you know, you can interpret that any way you like, it's just your opinion that it's passive aggressive.
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Anticipating: Everquest Next Crowfall, Pantheon, Elden Ring
Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.
So wait... it's news that fans act like fans? You can see this type of behavior on any message board not just TOR's, you will also see most supporters do so without punishment on just about any games forums. What the guy is saying or not saying is irrelevant to this point.
I'd also argue there's not much point in creating a thread like that outside of fishing for reactions. What other kind of "discussion" would come from such a post on any games forum besides what you're seeing there?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Must be an astronomical amount of warnings and bans going out then, as that is 90% of what is posted here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
a normal mmo player? where have you seen this mythical creature?
normal people dont play mmos at all, they spend their lives in the real World
we bash the game , because it didnt deliver
you bash our posts, because...?
Eurogamer re-review
4/10
One persons rubbish is another persons treasure
The fact that 2 million people bought the game at launch and was left with only about 500K subs by F2P, I would score the game 25% / 2.5 / 10 - A MMO is a game to play for years, not like single player games.
If the game was a single player game then it probably would be 8/10, as all early reviews gave, but it has failed on keeping adequate updates as hyped by Bioware. The updates that the game has gotten is no where near the quality of what was envisioned.
It just depends on how you view SWTOR.
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I don't bash your post, unless it lacks facts proofs or links. And then I don't bash them I ask nicely for the proof, links or facts. But it seems those who have spent the last two plus years bashing and hating a video game get all angry when the are asked to back up their misinformation.eurogamer gave it a 4? i guess theyre trolls , and haters too
at launch, i would even have given swtor a solid 9, thats the honeymoon beer gogles
as soon , as the goggles vanished, the score dropped accordingly
and swtor made those goggles go away so much faster , than any other mmo
Seemed to be a review of the F2P systems more so than the game itself.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
When you cancel a sub the game will often offer you a feedback type of survey asking why. If your goal was to really tell the developers why you're quitting a game this is the right place to do it.
If your goal is to cause a bunch of drama and do some "damage" before you go, you make a public spectacle out of it and post it on the official forums. There is only one reason why people need to make posts like that, and it has nothing at all to do with helping a game.
And PC gamer gave it a 93, http://www.pcgamer.com/review/star-wars-the-old-republic-review/ (that's a link) this site has an average rating of 7.3. I'm sure you had to look hard for that 4 but if you took all the reviews and averaged them out you probably looking at 7.5-8. And the issue with those is the game has only got better since launch.
You our goggles may be that way but the million of players every month feel different, the profit they are showing proves a lot of people feel different and that they still release content every 4-6 weeks shows the game is a lot different and better then before.
Now there is nothing wrong with not liking a game but picking one low review to base the entire game is a joke. To think because you wear goggles when playing a video game that everyone wears the same goggles is a joke. Why keep posting if your goggles broke? Why keep posting and looking for bad reviews (how about a link to that review btw) why keep posting negative on every Swtor post? I would think spending energy on something you enjoy would be a much more productive hobby.
you want info?
one of the biggest budgets in gaming history
the most expensive IP in gaming
nearly 3 mio sold boxes at launch (roughly 10x WOW numbers)
dropping to 500k subs in a year
going F2P in a year
i suck at business, but even i can see, that , this is going downwards..not up
of course , the devs wont admit to it..i doubt any dev, would do that
its their jobs on the line, after all
I retired retroactively..Haha
That fine you can keep going back to the past but I prefer to live in the present. I'm not denying those facts your saying, but that's all the haters have. Most post contain "at launch" "had" "1st year" etc etc. now it's understandable for those who have spent over two years bashing a video they would not want to discuss the current game.
You know things like...
a million players a month
making a profit
all the content they have released since launch
new content every 4-6 weeks
Currently a very healthy game.
So you hold tight to the past those who enjoy Swtor will enjoy the present and look forward to the future.
Which means nothing. PC Gamer gave Duke Nukem Forever an 80 (http://www.pcgamer.com/review/duke-nukem-forever-review/3) and that game is also objectively terrible. Their rating system is ridiculously flawed.
MMO launch reviews are useless because very few reviewers ever make it to end game - not to mention their articles didn't mention the critical lack of in game systems that were present at launch. If anything, the original game was 4-5 and the game now maybe a 7.
Further, you need to stop throwing out "a million users each month making a profit" like it means anything. One Direction and Justin Beiber have millions of fans. I don't think you'd say that their music is quality. SWTOR fans are buying virtual crap in the stores hands over fist. Hooray. And yes, it is crap. 20$ for a one time use virtual dye is crap.
There are a few assumptions there but that's understandable because EA/Bioware hada lot of assumptions as well.
I remember before the game launched I though tthe game would retain 300k players. Not because I'm some "wizard" but because most games, if you take wow out of the equation and some Asian mmo's, don't really have more than that. I think EVE might have in the upper 300k area.
So the assumption is that this game should have kept it's numbers. So what if the IP is known, there is a large group of plaeyrs who play games, exaust the content and move on. Given that Bioware couldn't keep up with the story aspects fast enough it makes sense that a smaller, but still decent size population remain after launch.
As far as f2p being "a failure", I would say that EA/Bioware thought this game was going to have WoW numbers. Which was very optimistic as only WoW has "WoW numbers". Since the population "righted itself" as it should have, a sub plan wasn't going to be sustainable with the lesser amount of players.
Game companies know that cash shops bring in money. Look at Turbine, they changed DDO, had it explode with the amount of "short term money" and then decid3ed to make LOTRO the same thing.
F2P brings in fast money. I can't say I'm a fan of it for a variety of reasons but because they "alinged" the game to a plan that made more sense to current players it was the right thing to do.
I sometimes think gamers "think" this is all one big club and if a game doesn't do well then the devs/publishers should just pull the plug and "try again". But it isn't a club, it's a business and business need to survive. As you point out there are jobs on the line. So they did the only smart thing to keep it going and it worked. Not everyone was laid off, the game continues and those who like it are happy.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo