as much as a cringe when i hear 'x will kill wow' this is probably the one game that may do it. All the other 'x will kill wow' games had a different direction.
Warhammer - x will kill wow game that focused on RvR
Guild Wars2 - x will kill wow game that focused on casual playerbase / pvp
wildstar - x will kill wow game that focuses on raiding.
Wildstar is almost a carbon copy with improved features. I wont be playing the game because synchronized swim** errrr raiding for me is boring and repetitive. But it looks like wildstar will do raiding better and bring back 40 man raids which I always heard raiders say they want.
I would say Rift was also a carbon copy of WoW with better features.
as much as a cringe when i hear 'x will kill wow' this is probably the one game that may do it. All the other 'x will kill wow' games had a different direction.
Warhammer - x will kill wow game that focused on RvR
Guild Wars2 - x will kill wow game that focused on casual playerbase / pvp
wildstar - x will kill wow game that focuses on raiding.
Wildstar is almost a carbon copy with improved features. I wont be playing the game because synchronized swim** errrr raiding for me is boring and repetitive. But it looks like wildstar will do raiding better and bring back 40 man raids which I always heard raiders say they want.
I would say Rift was also a carbon copy of WoW with better features.
True, but with hardunkachud the combat got repetitive.
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Originally posted by mmoguy43 OP is right. The only missing puzzle is how much content there is to hold them and convince them to stay permanently. WoW is such an old relic of MMORPGs of the past.
Actually WoW is the MMO Genre now. It's the most widely known MMO game, and widely played MMO game, and will continue to be for a very long time. It will become a relic when it has thousands of people playing it, not millions.
Only WoW can kill itself, just like other games have.
This imo has been proven over and over again.
Also WoW didn't make a serious impact on any of the previous games either.
Rift at release was "wow done better" - Rift today is vastly different and stands on its own, but it made no impact on WoW.
GW2, FF14ARR..… no impact.
Wildstar won't be any different.
IMO folks who love WoW - stick with WoW.
Clueless.
Wow is down over 6 million subs, they didn't all just leave the genre.
He's not clueless. I also think the numbers of players who simply left the genre are much higher than you think. WoW is 10 now. Many players were in their teens and 20s are now in the upper 20s and 30s. They "grew up". ( I never did) I know of many people who found other hobbies. 10 years ago, I played WoW with a circle of people I knew and people they knew in real life. At one point, we were half a guild. Now, none of them play anymore. I am the only one left.
Actually WoW is the MMO Genre now. It's the most widely known MMO game, and widely played MMO game, and will continue to be for a very long time. It will become a relic when it has thousands of people playing it, not millions.
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Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
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Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
You brought up IP to the discussion and that is what I'm talking about. Are you trying to tell me that the lore of Wildstar is a clone of Warcraft or something?
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Originally posted by mmoguy43 OP is right. The only missing puzzle is how much content there is to hold them and convince them to stay permanently. WoW is such an old relic of MMORPGs of the past.
Actually WoW is the MMO Genre now. It's the most widely known MMO game, and widely played MMO game, and will continue to be for a very long time. It will become a relic when it has thousands of people playing it, not millions.
If that is your criteria for a relic, cool. It will happen eventually. WoW will be the PacMan of MMO games and it will only be played as a novelty in the future.
Originally posted by Foomerang I think this game may actually hit WoW's subs hard. Unlike so many other WoW clones, this seems to be doing what WoW did, but better. The stylized graphics are sharper, the combat more slick. It is adding housing which Blizzard is attempting to answer with their own version. The crafting is a more customizable version of WoW's tried and true system. I think this is less of a WoW clone and more of a WoW v2.0They are doing what Blizzard did to EQ. And they may just beat them at their own game. I think Anet tried to beat WoW by going the polar opposite route. But Wildstar seems to have everything that a WoW fan enjoys, but better. The storylines and characters are tounge in cheek and full of pop culture references, the raids seem bigger and badder, exploration is a career path. I think WoW just may take its biggest subscription hit when this game launches. And I think Blizzard knows it.
Honestly not a post I expected to see from you. Not that I agree or disagree, for my taste it is still way to early to make that call so I will sit and watch a while longer.
Shame this topic had to be brought up here. If this could be discussed in a less hostile/troll infested environment it could be pretty interesting.
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Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
Originality is overrated. yes it has a lot of similar features that Wow has (or numerous other themepark mmos). But, in my opinion, it has enough to distinguish itself so that it can thrive. Plus it is fun to play (I realize this is purely subjective though).
Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
You brought up IP to the discussion and that is what I'm talking about. Are you trying to tell me that the lore of Wildstar is a clone of Warcraft or something?
No, I wasn't suggesting it was cloning Warcraft's lore, in fact I'm not even aware that Wildstar has a lore. Originality in lore isn't a bonus if no one know of it.
Which is really the point, WOW brought a long tradition of IP/lore with it, which many of the early adopters were well familiar with and it helped draw them to the game.
Wildstar's is largely unknown, I'll bet even by the more hardcore gaming player base out there.
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Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by mmoguy43
Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
Originality is overrated. yes it has a lot of similar features that Wow has (or numerous other themepark mmos). But, in my opinion, it has enough to distinguish itself so that it can thrive. Plus it is fun to play (I realize this is purely subjective though).
Er, no, it's not. I am most definitely looking for a new MMORPG that plays significantly different than the standard theme park model, (think along the lines of EVE) so this title is not likely to be of interest to me. But for those looking for another version of this model, it might prove quite the hit.
Even ESO appears to have more variation just by having a strong focus on a PVP end game, instead of a raid centric gear grinder.
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Well, in the OPs defense, it is titled 'possibly' and uses the term 'threat' rather than killer, a 'threat' implies the possibility of being averted, and finally, the OP alluded to his own surprise, as he is typically very skeptical.
That being said, WoW Killer threads are maddening....however, I kinda see the OPs point on this one, and I never have found they had much merit before either.
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I would say Rift was also a carbon copy of WoW with better features.
True, but with hardunkachud the combat got repetitive.
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All of this.
I like being a Paladin. Or a Shaman.
I like hard (er) Sci Fi and I like true Fantasy, I dislike WoW's techno sci-fi whatever elements.
Wildstar just doesn't appeal to me.
Last I heard WoW was at 7.6million, not 6 million.
Sorry, who's clueless?
Most I'd bet. They want something that isn't WoW but still has a familiar feel. That's what I want anyway.
Actually WoW is the MMO Genre now. It's the most widely known MMO game, and widely played MMO game, and will continue to be for a very long time. It will become a relic when it has thousands of people playing it, not millions.
He's not clueless. I also think the numbers of players who simply left the genre are much higher than you think. WoW is 10 now. Many players were in their teens and 20s are now in the upper 20s and 30s. They "grew up". ( I never did) I know of many people who found other hobbies. 10 years ago, I played WoW with a circle of people I knew and people they knew in real life. At one point, we were half a guild. Now, none of them play anymore. I am the only one left.
agree - WOW may as well be culture now
EQ2 fan sites
Me too. Not that easy mode crap but the real wow i learned to love.
come on now
Wildstar is a fun game to play. It is no threat to wow though.
I forgot about that, some of WOW's strength comes from the strong following Blizzard had (and has) as a publisher of successful games.
In fact, I played WOW more for my fond memories of Starcraft and Diablo 1 more than than anything else.
Well and it was new and I was frustrated with my lack of progress in Lineage 2 at the time.
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I'm curious, what exactly is so original about Wildstar, seems very much a game along the lines of vanilla WOW, what am I missing?
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You brought up IP to the discussion and that is what I'm talking about. Are you trying to tell me that the lore of Wildstar is a clone of Warcraft or something?
If that is your criteria for a relic, cool. It will happen eventually. WoW will be the PacMan of MMO games and it will only be played as a novelty in the future.
Honestly not a post I expected to see from you. Not that I agree or disagree, for my taste it is still way to early to make that call so I will sit and watch a while longer.
Shame this topic had to be brought up here. If this could be discussed in a less hostile/troll infested environment it could be pretty interesting.
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Originality is overrated. yes it has a lot of similar features that Wow has (or numerous other themepark mmos). But, in my opinion, it has enough to distinguish itself so that it can thrive. Plus it is fun to play (I realize this is purely subjective though).
Er, no, it's not. I am most definitely looking for a new MMORPG that plays significantly different than the standard theme park model, (think along the lines of EVE) so this title is not likely to be of interest to me. But for those looking for another version of this model, it might prove quite the hit.
Even ESO appears to have more variation just by having a strong focus on a PVP end game, instead of a raid centric gear grinder.
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EVERY YEAR THIS THREAD COMES UP WITH SOME FANCY MMO AND GUESS WHAT IT DOESN'T KILL WOW.
NOW PLEASE STOP MAKING THESE ******** THREADS. NOBODY CARES
I MAD?
yes! Since 2004 There has been so many of these wow killer threads and this last one just made me snap. For that I hate you OP.
WTF HAS WOW DONE TO YOU THAT YOU WANT IT TO DIE SO BAD?! ITS NOT NORMAL TO MAKE THESE THREADS!
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Well, in the OPs defense, it is titled 'possibly' and uses the term 'threat' rather than killer, a 'threat' implies the possibility of being averted, and finally, the OP alluded to his own surprise, as he is typically very skeptical.
That being said, WoW Killer threads are maddening....however, I kinda see the OPs point on this one, and I never have found they had much merit before either.