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Star Citizen taking people's money.
Bluntoze
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If you came here to defend Star Citizen , don't worry , i'm not going to troll it.
If you came here thinking it's yet another thread to throw mud on star citizen and the zillions it's robbing people , I am not going to do that either.
I'll try to be objective.
There seems to be a lot of hate towards this game. And while I can understand some people like different things, what these people say about the game is most of the time baseless, really made up stuff, and they make you think they never watched any Wingman's Hangar show or live streams.
It' so baseless that at some point I'm starting to wonder , are they a cult ? Is someone paying them to do that ?
I'm not gonna start defending each claim , not worth it.
What I want to do is put real verifiable things in a better perspective.
The high cost of ships that get's thrown around a lot. It's not a price, it's more like amounts that are possible to donate.
it's true , that you get a bigger ship if you donate more, but it's donation , you can get all those things ingame.
If they will only sell $50 packages , how wold you fund the game ? Why would you buy 10 of the same thing to donate $500 ? This subject is the preferred anti crowd funding tool used by "publisher employees" haters , trolls and company.
The only ugly truth is that in this world there are people for whom $1000 is pocket money, and people that $10 is a big investment. Why the imbalance that is another issue.
Now on the whole there is no game yet and they have that much money.
I'd ask that people on how long do they thing a team works on a publisher game before they even let people know they are working on it.
Star Citizen has only one year of development. And not even that , there was no big game company before that year that started full throttle. There was no big cache of money at the start of project. It's one year of starting all from 0.
To claim that it didn't deliver anything it's actually so short sided you should not be near a keyboard without a helmet.
Star Citizen is something completely new , It can be more compared to a TV show about making a game , and you get to watch from day 1. Not after 3 years of secret research and development.
I challenge you to show me any other game that in it's first year provided more entertainment that Star Citizen. Don't think there is one , because games have not been made in the view of the public EVER before.
The game is not at alfa stage , not even pre alfa. The game is being made. And what they do is sharing the process of making the game with people that might have no idea about how a game is made.
The fact that some people compare graphics and things from Star Citizen at this stage to that of released games , and start shouting it's not even looking that good, to these people I say , THANK YOU. You are doing it a service , if a game that barely started from scratch can compare with some sequel of a game that underwent 2-3 years of development and already had a team that worked on previous installments , than honestly you are doing it a service.
If you will read the thread title again , does it still stir you that much? It's just a statement, Star Citizen is indeed accepting people's money, as a donation to a cause , be it good or bad. And you can a small amount , as much as small amount means to your wallet.
I'll leave you all with a question I have been asking myself for a while.
" With the latest success of so many highly crowd funded games , what are the publishers doing about it ? What is their play to stop this trend , to discourage crowd funding? "
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"It' so baseless that at some point I'm starting to wonder , are they a cult ? Is someone paying them to do that ? "
Watch the Chappelle Show sketch the player hater's ball and understand that these forums are essentially that, all day.
And yes there are those like me who have never seen a video on it, just not how I go about obtaining and processing information.
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Uhm, what the hell has that got to do with anything?
The devs are people too, they need to eat, drink, sleep and and go do a #1 or #2 on daily basis. Yes, yes, I didn't do any research and I of course dun have no evidence for this, before any of you forum warriors ask, but I think it's common sense.
For all that above the devs need to pay the bills and need to have some cash left over to be happy human beings. I haven't funded SC or watched any videos but I do hope the devs get paid the industry standard or more and that the game is a success.
He was implying the OP might work for CIG given the post. It didn't have anything to do with them paying themselves.
i find how much Star Citizen has raised to be a pretty amazing testament to just how large the pent up frustration against the established game industry there is. Of course the more this game raises the more like one of the mainstream products it's going to start to look so there is a danger here of it getting to successful. Me I'm sitting on the sidelines and going to wait till I can play it. I have no issue supporting this game if it's fun at launch but I'm done with the whole buying games early thing. Watching what happened to MWO was the last straw for me in that regard.
Star citizen isn't an mmo.It's more of a... large multiplayer game
People will probably call it an mmo, but as far as I know the developer isn't.
Not sure why you use the word take, when people are throwing their money after this game...
Anyone who hasn't actually parted with any cash to support Star Citizen doesn't really have a right to comment imo. Don't want to support the game then that's fine but don't dictate how others spend their money.
No money was taken it was given freely because they believe in the game, if it doesn't work out then so be it. How many of us have spent money on hyped mmo's, i would say all of us.
Everyone has a right to comment on anything. With freedom you have to take the good with the bad.
You have no rights on an internet forum. You have privileges, that can be taken away.
On this site, everyone is allowed to comment on a game regardless of how much they've spent. It doesn't stop them from being wrong however
Ok, freedom of speech and all but why would you want to comment, if you haven't spent any money then why the hell would it bother you how other spend their money, perhaps it envy.
These are the kind of mmo players that will be complaining that other who supported the game have more than them, pathetic really.
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That's a really weak argument. You shouldn't just shudder carelessly over a brainless comment because it is "freedom" (whatever your definition of that word may be). Instead, you should judge it for what it's worth and motivate people to discuss things on a higher level than "this game suxs ballz".
Yes, everyone has the right to comment. But if it is a troll/derail post it should be removed and the poster should be warned, and subsequently banned after repeating the same thing.
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I imagine they are tracking and compiling statistical data to determine whether or not an extra buck can be procured from the player(s) pockets if they ask for money as well.
Most haven't spend as much as people who bought Lifetime Subs to MMOs like SWTOR, CO, STO, ect... Believe me when I say that most of them didn't last long in those games when they went live. Any game purchase is a risk. The only thing that you can do is try to educate yourself and hope for the best. Even the Highest rated game will have some people that hate it for differing reasons. Crowd Funding is a risk but no more than any game purchase really when you haven't tried it first. Just food for thought.
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I've heard of people spending thousands of euros on this game. I question those people's judgement, but it is their money.
If they want to throw it at a hypothetical release that could still be either air or shit, it's their choice.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
you mean like SoE and the pregame packs they are preselling? perhaps the changed state of what a Beta was and what it is now? or perhaps just the simple "founder's packs" that seem to do fairly well?
i seriously doubt a company like EA is doing anything more that what Precursor suggested: gathering data and trying to prybar one approach into another.
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Sorry, but I need something a little more concrete than what they've shown so far. Especially when you consider that the same man behind this project did the Wing Commander movie *shudder*.
The man couldn't even get his own characters' names right, to say nothing of their personalities. Add that to numerous technical errors (ships dropping off the runway in space, acting as if a destroyer could hear them talking such as in a submarine movie), awful ship design (again, nothing like the games), the entire stupid 'pilgrim' garbage (magical navigation supapowahs!), and horrific costuming (the Kilrathi would be laughed off the set of Power Rangers FFS)... yeah.
When you add in that the man hasn't been relevant in about a decade... well, I don't blame people for being skeptical. I hope he pulls it off. I want him to pull it off. But I'm not handing the man a dime until he proves he can.
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Well.. I am anti crowd funding... why? well if no product is delivered who is accountable? no one. Hey his name is mud now! so he walked away with x million dollars.
I have nothing against the game I'd love for it to succeed, but I'll pay the box price and even a sub when its released.
I really struggle with the crowd funded idea.. those people donating are doing so without expecting anything in return.. its not like investors taking a chance at success and making money, success or fail, those who contribute funds will never see anything in return, except maybe the game. The devs have nothing to lose apart from credibility, and even then its not the devs, its the "Name" behind it aka mr Wingman. (loved the games)
It's been quite some time since I've watched that. Thank you for the reference; thank you for your complete accuracy.
This is reminding me of the Phantom Console.
You DO know that he has done other movies, right?
Movies like "Lord of War" with Nicolas Cage and "Lucky Number Slevin" with Bruce Willis and Morgan Freeman?
Wing Commander was his first movie and he learned his lesson there, I would say. Let's not bash a person down for his beginner's mistake, shall we? Not to speak that game-wise all his games were met with critical acclaim and great success.
So the man knew how to make great games, then went on to making movies, had a starting blunder, but got later to make some great movies... and now he is back at doing games. I think the odds are in his favor on this one.
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Very true. I have boxes of garbage games purchase over the years and I have stopped being screwed out of money just because of forums, ratings and hype. Bring serious detail content for preview not just lip service and art work.
Far as other humans wallets do you.
When a game company asks for $30 (or more) and I don't even get to play yet, I get wary.
Chris Roberts has a great reputation, but so have many other people/companies that have joined the MMO market and have failed.
I hope he succeeds, but honestly I'm not paying for something that could technically become vaporware.
Well it IS almost like saying "put your money where your mouth is". At the same level the crowd funding/kickstarter approach has some benefits. If your think the traditional triple-A style mmo, you still have to answer and be restricted in a different fashion; your pleasing your management and trying to come out with a game with the belief it will work. The more well known the game sets itself with a pre-determined populace (ie. Star Wars & FInal Fantasy), the more they can be thrilled. But you're also attempting to create something less in the curve of being novel and unique, why disrupt the whole system?
As far as what they're trying to do with Star Citizen, I actually hope it works and is unique enough where developers can make projects with more freedom and help provide some rejuvenation to mmo's. That being said, I prefer people comment on the merits or weakness of this type of stuff other than "you don't get anything back you pay for". That being said using the "freedom to comment" is also equally ridiculous because your commenting irrelevant to the overall argument: the idea of a crowd funding concept is just that and if you don't believe it in that's perfectly fine but saying you get nothing delivered on the spot is moronic as that is what is presumed when participating with a kickstarter".
Its like saying I don't want to be a US citizen because I can't vote right now so why become a citizen? It's that counterintuitive of an argument your making. No one needs to hear the argument of "no product delivered" because that's what it does initially involve and no one is being coerced into it.
I only wonder one thing: What initiative will they have to develop a real good game if they got all the revenues in front no strings attached.
He can even stop developing now and nobody would be able to do nothing. Or he can just deliver crappy buggy game and walk away .. they allready sold the game.
It will soon be apparent that these kickstarters are real bad idea