Anyone who hasn't actually parted with any cash to support Star Citizen doesn't really have a right to comment imo. Don't want to support the game then that's fine but don't dictate how others spend their money.
No money was taken it was given freely because they believe in the game, if it doesn't work out then so be it. How many of us have spent money on hyped mmo's, i would say all of us.
I completely agree with this person who wrote the text above.
I AM 1 of those big funders of SC and it is MY decision to give my money. NO one can stop me doing that.
Why? many of you will ask....
1) I believe in this game
2) I like the wingcommander series, privateer and freelancer. This game is a combination of those.
3) This is game is gonna have everything i want to have in a space game.
To clear up somethings:
Yes it is an MMO because you can fight against anyone that is online within SC but to prevent problems with connections (some have good and other have bad connections) it has techniques that i will select players based on some rules. If you do not read the forums and do not even care to view the vids then please don't comment on this is bad and that is bad.
Of course there will always be people who dont like this kind of game and to be honest i dont like some games either but i will not complain openly on forums about that.
Side not: This is NOT to defend SC but only my view and opinion.
LAST: Dont like SC? Then dont watch or read about it and dont comment. Be a man and keep it for yourself.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
Well, to be fair, Elite kept the KS pledge options open for 10 months after KS closed. They then opened a shop with the options of Alpha, beta, game and expansion pass as the only options. They also didn't really promote it in their forums and did not add any extra options.
Comparing Elite and SC is terrible. The level of detail and game scope in SC far surpasses Elite. It's like comparing a complete space MMO to a flight sim.
The 2 aren't even comparable.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Star citizen is the 1st game of a startup company. It is going to take more money to make SC because there was no company assets to begin with. And from what I see in videos they are not wasting money. Cloud Imperium IMO will become one of the greatest game developers of all time.
There is no huge money grubbing conglomerate company to dictate timeframes, or budgets, or cost vs reward. All the money gained from pledges will go to SC and not a black hole of advertising, hype, and smoke and mirrors.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
+1
Well said and Gamers are spending money because they are being offered LTI and really attractive deals/bundles. I just hope CIG do not get addicted to money ship as most companies do these days. Times have changed its not 1990 any more.
I really hope they make good use of all that money. Believe it or not, ELITE DANGEROUS outstanding Alpha is the reason Star Citizen Delayed its own. CIG wants to make an early impression just as good as ELITE DANGEROUS if not any better.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
It may worry me if it was EA or blizzard, but guess what its a crowd funded game. If you want a better game you need more money its just basic economics man.
Not to mention the fact that chris has stated multiple times that ships will not be available for real money on launch. So complaining about ship sales now is basically like complaining about him trying to make a better game and giving people a head start for early backing (an industry standard at this point).
Elite and SC are totally diff games imo, Elite is an arcade shooter style while SC is a space sim, its like comparing COD to Red orchestra, both good games in their own right but no where near the same game.
Richard Garriott is buying dinosaur bones and Mammoth tusks with your donations. Don't believe me? Saw him on Oddities. He has millions of dollars worth of natural history and memorabilia items in his home. Think he bought all that with Wing Commander money? Don't think so...
"It' so baseless that at some point I'm starting to wonder , are they a cult ? Is someone paying them to do that ? "
Watch the Chappelle Show sketch the player hater's ball and understand that these forums are essentially that, all day.
Pretty much this, especially the 2nd half. Thankfully ESO is taking the heat from them for now but I worry the Wildstar and then this forum will be invaded by the hordes.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
It may worry me if it was EA or blizzard, but guess what its a crowd funded game. If you want a better game you need more money its just basic economics man.
Not to mention the fact that chris has stated multiple times that ships will not be available for real money on launch. So complaining about ship sales now is basically like complaining about him trying to make a better game and giving people a head start for early backing (an industry standard at this point).
Elite and SC are totally diff games imo, Elite is an arcade shooter style while SC is a space sim, its like comparing COD to Red orchestra, both good games in their own right but no where near the same game.
But they will still have a Cash/Credit shop that will have a limit on it which is still unfair advantage. People who want to shell out X amount of Money can still buy Weekly CAP amount of Credits and buy better weapons/equipments for their ship. This is not entire P2W or in some context it sure is.
But If they deliver what they are promising, it is a money well spend and we'll all be a happy campers
At the end of the day, people are free to do whatever they want. Hopefully they make good use of backers money but there is never a guarantee. I know that there is a strong will thought.
Star Citizen has only one year of development. And not even that , there was no big game company before that year that started full throttle. There was no big cache of money at the start of project. It's one year of starting all from 0.
Actually Starcitizen was being developed before they joined kickstarter. Kickstarter was just a gauge to see how many people might play. Then the huge amounts of cash came rolling in and CR decided to keep adding features to the game, which I doubt they can accomplish by their deadline, speaking of which has been pushed back multiple times for different things; ie dogfighting.
They were funded by a seperate entinty before kick starter and I assume they paid back that debt and have no "debt" besides the expectation of a good game from their backers. The game currently is a Pay to Win faster; while not strickly pay to win indefinately, P2WF allows advantages for a certain period of time for those whom bought ships, or will purchase UEC credits from the store.
Then you get the avid fanboi defenders on the forums saying that "an Idris will be better than any other ship, which is completely false since this is a ship teir based game, with upgrade modules for each ship", sure it might take 5 actually players to man that ship, but if they automatically start out with a ship that is powerful while everyone is flying around in a Aurora then how is that fair? Its all theorycraft at this point until we see something tangible; which is suppose to be in April.
I really hope I am wrong about the game it is how Chris describes it, but until then I will take it with a grain of salt and be lynched by the fanbois on the forum who spend 1,000s of dollars on ships avidly defending against any negative conceptions people have.
My problem is not that he takes people money, i bought 2 packages , my problem is that they don;t deliver . It was suposed that we play dogfight module and is not here.
You can invent all the excuses you want, i feel burned and start feeling sorry for not putting this money in ELITE which seems to keep promises and does not seem to become a pay 2 something. Now i would have had playing elite dangerous instead of reading forums.
And exactly when did he or anyone at CIG "Promise" you a Dogfighting Module... or any Module for that matter? The Modular design was not even thought of at the start of the Fund Raising campaign. This was something he came up with after as a Thank You for the Community and to give something back before the "Alpha" stage. You were promised nothing except that you could "Alpha Test".
As for Elite... You do realize that their Kickstarter was to finish an already well into development project and not to start a company and a totally new project? Their development for Elite was well underway before their fund raising campaign. SC had a tech demo... A rather impressive tech demo but just a tech demo all the same. I'm not trying to slight Elite here just stating why comparing Elite's development time to SC's isn't really fair as their game was well into production well before SC was.
Bren
Wrong the dogfighting was already done to lure people to kickstart the game intitially. After finding out he didn't need it to get people to fork over cash he just decided to take his time "adjusting the game for final outcome" whatever that is suppose to mean, when its only a prototype portion of the game regardless. Also elite started major work on the game the same time as SC, but both were already being developed pre KICKSTARTER and the money boost just pushed the development into a broader spectrum.
My problem is not that he takes people money, i bought 2 packages , my problem is that they don;t deliver . It was suposed that we play dogfight module and is not here.
You can invent all the excuses you want, i feel burned and start feeling sorry for not putting this money in ELITE which seems to keep promises and does not seem to become a pay 2 something. Now i would have had playing elite dangerous instead of reading forums.
And exactly when did he or anyone at CIG "Promise" you a Dogfighting Module... or any Module for that matter? The Modular design was not even thought of at the start of the Fund Raising campaign. This was something he came up with after as a Thank You for the Community and to give something back before the "Alpha" stage. You were promised nothing except that you could "Alpha Test".
As for Elite... You do realize that their Kickstarter was to finish an already well into development project and not to start a company and a totally new project? Their development for Elite was well underway before their fund raising campaign. SC had a tech demo... A rather impressive tech demo but just a tech demo all the same. I'm not trying to slight Elite here just stating why comparing Elite's development time to SC's isn't really fair as their game was well into production well before SC was.
Bren
Wrong the dogfighting was already done to lure people to kickstart the game intitially. After finding out he didn't need it to get people to fork over cash he just decided to take his time "adjusting the game for final outcome" whatever that is suppose to mean, when its only a prototype portion of the game regardless. Also elite started major work on the game the same time as SC, but both were already being developed pre KICKSTARTER and the money boost just pushed the development into a broader spectrum.
Elite was in production for over 5 years before SC. You know absolutely nothing of what you speak. Go and educate yourself and come on back as right now you are just spouting hate nonsense.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
It may worry me if it was EA or blizzard, but guess what its a crowd funded game. If you want a better game you need more money its just basic economics man.
Not to mention the fact that chris has stated multiple times that ships will not be available for real money on launch. So complaining about ship sales now is basically like complaining about him trying to make a better game and giving people a head start for early backing (an industry standard at this point).
Elite and SC are totally diff games imo, Elite is an arcade shooter style while SC is a space sim, its like comparing COD to Red orchestra, both good games in their own right but no where near the same game.
But they will still have a Cash/Credit shop that will have a limit on it which is still unfair advantage. People who want to shell out X amount of Money can still buy Weekly CAP amount of Credits and buy better weapons/equipments for their ship. This is not entire P2W or in some context it sure is.
But If they deliver what they are promising, it is a money well spend and we'll all be a happy campers
Some thinking on cash grabing and cash shops:
I am not overly concerned with any kind of cash shop. "Wining" conditions are simple and the same for every game....you either pay or you play insane hours a day. well some players have jobs so its fair if they buy and others have time so they can play it and save money. Some also have both and they already "won" ---- if you consider that wining.
I mean ask yourself really what is the point of playing the game with good story, awesome graphics and game details, scenes, guild building, exploration, etc --- only to be the first in game....I tell you man you will be missing everything worth while in my opinion! Better to go on a running competition at least you will do something good for your body :P
Any way I always thought such wining as pure mathematics and that just seems so .... boring. Really at any competition the one that gives the most work into the task gets the best result...its that simple so what’s the point? never got that, guess that’s why i never much care for extreme sports heh.
Also if some players have "the big guns" because they can play and pay ... well be happy they pay for the game! and they give you a hardcore setting! OMFG isn’t that all you ever wanted A CHALANGE. I always stop playing when the game losses exploration and challenge appeal. Hope we get plenty.
So really whoever you are - and worried about the cash shop than think of it as an investment to better the game and consider playing for the experience of the game, just imagine what’s out there in space WOO...ah I so hope they have some good imagination.
I have given equal amounts to both Star Citizen and Elite as I support both games. As I said before you know nothing of which you speak. Also no I do not own an Idris as giving that much to a game in development is just crazy. Frontier started work on the Elite engine as early as 2006 according to the lead developer. In 2007 he was quoted as saying that it had been in development for over two years at that point. The only thing that was new at the time of the Kickstarter was the name of the game as they changed it from the WIP name "Elite 4" to what we now know as Elite Dangerous. This is all in that same Wiki that you pulled your "out of context" quote above. Here is the Early Development portion in it's entirety:
Earlier development
Elite 4 was to be the third sequel to 1984's Elite, a game that David Braben and his former associate, Ian Bell, wrote for the BBC Micro computer, and ported to most other platforms of the day. The first two sequels, Frontier: Elite II and Frontier: First Encounters, were released in the 1990s, the second of which led to an acrimonious falling out of Braben and Bell over use of copyright and royalties.[62] David Braben had stated production of Elite 4 was ready to begin after the release of The Outsider. During a lecture in June, 2009, Braben confirmed that Elite 4 would be available on multiple console platforms, as well as on PC.[63]
In November 2006, GameSpot conducted an interview with Braben, where the subject of Elite 4 arose. Braben revealed that Elite 4 began and ceased development as an MMORPG in 2000, abandoned due to the immaturity of technology for online play. When asked if the game would ever be released, Braben responded "We will do Elite 4 after Outsider, so it will benefit from everything we've done in Outsider."[64] Braben repeated this claim in a Game Theory Show podcast in August 2007.[65]
During an interview with Computer and Video Games in September 2007, Braben revealed that Frontier Developments was working on new technologies required to deliver the game, and had been for two years.[66] At the Gamecity International Interactive Entertainment Festival 2007 event in NottinghamUK, it was revealed that Braben and Frontier Developments were aiming to have Elite 4 released for the current generation of gaming consoles and PC.[67] Also at the event, Braben, during an interview about courses teaching game development in the UK, revealed that Frontier Developments were recruiting staff to work on projects including Elite 4.[68]
At the 2008 Game Developers Conference in Germany, David Braben hinted that an announcement regarding the game's release would come in 2008. Braben stated that the new version "would certainly need a better interface, or at least one which is easier to use for modern gamers."[69]
In 2009, the game was said to be under development.[70] In an interview with the BBC to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the original game, Braben confirmed that the game was still in development, saying, "We'd be mad not to go back to the world of Elite and I'm very excited about it," and adding that it would be released only "when it's ready."[71] Supposed platforms were the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.[63][67]
In May 2010, Braben told Eurogamer that there had been staff changes, but that "our commitment to the game is as strong as ever."[72]
However, Elite 4 had been removed from the 'in-development' section of Frontier Developments — making the status of its development unclear. In addition, Frontier Developments no longer had any links to the website for the game.[73]
At the twenty-fifth annual Game Developers Conference, Braben presented a post-mortem discussing the development of Elite. The final question in the Q&A section asked if Elite 4 was still on the drawing board and he replied "yes, it would be a tragedy for it not to be."[74]
In November 2012, Frontier Developments announced that the game was now named Elite: Dangerous, and would be funded via Kickstarter. The Kickstarter project remained open for 60 days, and rewards included a digital copy of the game, standard and premium boxed copies, a T-shirt, and access to alpha and beta test versions of the game. Funding is still available through the Elite website, via PayPal. [30]
Elite: Dangerous is being developed using Frontier Development's own in-house "Cobra" game development engine.[75]
This is taken directly from their Wiki Page and can be found here. I suppose you thought Braben pulled all of that in-game footage they used during the Kickstarter campaign out of thin air?
You were banned because you openly Flamed another member (me) and not for anything as noble as you pretend. I'll say it a second time... Educate yourself and come on back as you are just spouting hate nonsense and misinformation. Your ban should give you some quiet reading time on both the Elite website and RSI.com. It really baffles me why people like you think both games can't coexist and that "There can be only ONE!!!".
Anyone who hasn't actually parted with any cash to support Star Citizen doesn't really have a right to comment imo. Don't want to support the game then that's fine but don't dictate how others spend their money.
No money was taken it was given freely because they believe in the game, if it doesn't work out then so be it. How many of us have spent money on hyped mmo's, i would say all of us.
Everyone has a right to comment on anything. With freedom you have to take the good with the bad.
That's a really weak argument. You shouldn't just shudder carelessly over a brainless comment because it is "freedom" (whatever your definition of that word may be). Instead, you should judge it for what it's worth and motivate people to discuss things on a higher level than "this game suxs ballz".
Yes, everyone has the right to comment. But if it is a troll/derail post it should be removed and the poster should be warned, and subsequently banned after repeating the same thing.
If that was the case you wouldn't have anyone left in these forums
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Originally posted by zevian If this game does not fulfill all the donators desires it could kill kickstarter.
There is a video debut of their new studio. Looks like they have a lot of talent hard at work on everything. Looks like a nocompromise operation. I got really high hopes.
i know dozens of people that blow entire paychecks on a weekend of hard partying....and all they are left with are head splitting hang overs and a significant less amount of brain cells.......
even if this game is a total flop, a few hundred $$ wasted on a game it's not the end of the world. let people spend their money how they wish.
i know dozens of people that blow entire paychecks on a weekend of hard partying....and all they are left with are head splitting hang overs and a significant less amount of brain cells.......
even if this game is a total flop, a few hundred $$ wasted on a game it's not the end of the world. let people spend their money how they wish.
Well said. While I haven't spent as much as some, I've spent more than others and I'm perfectly happy with how they're proceeding and have no complaints whatsoever. Even if I wind up not liking the game, as long as it's successful I will be happy as the current way games are funded and designed has got to change if we're going to get any innovation back in the genre.
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I completely agree with this person who wrote the text above.
I AM 1 of those big funders of SC and it is MY decision to give my money. NO one can stop me doing that.
Why? many of you will ask....
1) I believe in this game
2) I like the wingcommander series, privateer and freelancer. This game is a combination of those.
3) This is game is gonna have everything i want to have in a space game.
To clear up somethings:
Yes it is an MMO because you can fight against anyone that is online within SC but to prevent problems with connections (some have good and other have bad connections) it has techniques that i will select players based on some rules. If you do not read the forums and do not even care to view the vids then please don't comment on this is bad and that is bad.
Of course there will always be people who dont like this kind of game and to be honest i dont like some games either but i will not complain openly on forums about that.
Side not: This is NOT to defend SC but only my view and opinion.
LAST: Dont like SC? Then dont watch or read about it and dont comment. Be a man and keep it for yourself.
See you in the Verse.
Don't like reading people's comments. Don't post on a general games forum. People are free to post whatever they like.
This game worries me. The fact that the first thing they made was a cash shop makes it look like a money milking project. All the money seems to be going in to a black hole.
Right now David Braben is putting Chris Roberts to shame with Elite. They had less than half the budget, but seem to be progressing far quicker and have already delivered a very polished early alpha. They have not asked for more money or made a cash shop.
Well, to be fair, Elite kept the KS pledge options open for 10 months after KS closed. They then opened a shop with the options of Alpha, beta, game and expansion pass as the only options. They also didn't really promote it in their forums and did not add any extra options.
Comparing Elite and SC is terrible. The level of detail and game scope in SC far surpasses Elite. It's like comparing a complete space MMO to a flight sim.
The 2 aren't even comparable.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Star citizen is the 1st game of a startup company. It is going to take more money to make SC because there was no company assets to begin with. And from what I see in videos they are not wasting money. Cloud Imperium IMO will become one of the greatest game developers of all time.
There is no huge money grubbing conglomerate company to dictate timeframes, or budgets, or cost vs reward. All the money gained from pledges will go to SC and not a black hole of advertising, hype, and smoke and mirrors.
+1
Well said and Gamers are spending money because they are being offered LTI and really attractive deals/bundles. I just hope CIG do not get addicted to money ship as most companies do these days. Times have changed its not 1990 any more.
I really hope they make good use of all that money. Believe it or not, ELITE DANGEROUS outstanding Alpha is the reason Star Citizen Delayed its own. CIG wants to make an early impression just as good as ELITE DANGEROUS if not any better.
It may worry me if it was EA or blizzard, but guess what its a crowd funded game. If you want a better game you need more money its just basic economics man.
Not to mention the fact that chris has stated multiple times that ships will not be available for real money on launch. So complaining about ship sales now is basically like complaining about him trying to make a better game and giving people a head start for early backing (an industry standard at this point).
Elite and SC are totally diff games imo, Elite is an arcade shooter style while SC is a space sim, its like comparing COD to Red orchestra, both good games in their own right but no where near the same game.
Richard Garriott is buying dinosaur bones and Mammoth tusks with your donations. Don't believe me? Saw him on Oddities. He has millions of dollars worth of natural history and memorabilia items in his home. Think he bought all that with Wing Commander money? Don't think so...
Look at all your money I've spent!
Richard Garriott showing off how he spends your money...
You people paid for him to buy a Sputnik satellite. Do you have any idea how much that must have cost?
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
Pretty much this, especially the 2nd half. Thankfully ESO is taking the heat from them for now but I worry the Wildstar and then this forum will be invaded by the hordes.
But they will still have a Cash/Credit shop that will have a limit on it which is still unfair advantage. People who want to shell out X amount of Money can still buy Weekly CAP amount of Credits and buy better weapons/equipments for their ship. This is not entire P2W or in some context it sure is.
But If they deliver what they are promising, it is a money well spend and we'll all be a happy campers
Actually Starcitizen was being developed before they joined kickstarter. Kickstarter was just a gauge to see how many people might play. Then the huge amounts of cash came rolling in and CR decided to keep adding features to the game, which I doubt they can accomplish by their deadline, speaking of which has been pushed back multiple times for different things; ie dogfighting.
They were funded by a seperate entinty before kick starter and I assume they paid back that debt and have no "debt" besides the expectation of a good game from their backers. The game currently is a Pay to Win faster; while not strickly pay to win indefinately, P2WF allows advantages for a certain period of time for those whom bought ships, or will purchase UEC credits from the store.
Then you get the avid fanboi defenders on the forums saying that "an Idris will be better than any other ship, which is completely false since this is a ship teir based game, with upgrade modules for each ship", sure it might take 5 actually players to man that ship, but if they automatically start out with a ship that is powerful while everyone is flying around in a Aurora then how is that fair? Its all theorycraft at this point until we see something tangible; which is suppose to be in April.
I really hope I am wrong about the game it is how Chris describes it, but until then I will take it with a grain of salt and be lynched by the fanbois on the forum who spend 1,000s of dollars on ships avidly defending against any negative conceptions people have.
MurderHerd
Wrong the dogfighting was already done to lure people to kickstart the game intitially. After finding out he didn't need it to get people to fork over cash he just decided to take his time "adjusting the game for final outcome" whatever that is suppose to mean, when its only a prototype portion of the game regardless. Also elite started major work on the game the same time as SC, but both were already being developed pre KICKSTARTER and the money boost just pushed the development into a broader spectrum.
MurderHerd
Elite was in production for over 5 years before SC. You know absolutely nothing of what you speak. Go and educate yourself and come on back as right now you are just spouting hate nonsense.
Bren
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Some thinking on cash grabing and cash shops:
I am not overly concerned with any kind of cash shop. "Wining" conditions are simple and the same for every game....you either pay or you play insane hours a day. well some players have jobs so its fair if they buy and others have time so they can play it and save money. Some also have both and they already "won" ---- if you consider that wining.
I mean ask yourself really what is the point of playing the game with good story, awesome graphics and game details, scenes, guild building, exploration, etc --- only to be the first in game....I tell you man you will be missing everything worth while in my opinion! Better to go on a running competition at least you will do something good for your body :P
Any way I always thought such wining as pure mathematics and that just seems so .... boring. Really at any competition the one that gives the most work into the task gets the best result...its that simple so what’s the point? never got that, guess that’s why i never much care for extreme sports heh.
Also if some players have "the big guns" because they can play and pay ... well be happy they pay for the game! and they give you a hardcore setting! OMFG isn’t that all you ever wanted A CHALANGE. I always stop playing when the game losses exploration and challenge appeal. Hope we get plenty.
So really whoever you are - and worried about the cash shop than think of it as an investment to better the game and consider playing for the experience of the game, just imagine what’s out there in space WOO...ah I so hope they have some good imagination.
Yea sure!
Where is Elite 4 again? Hasn't Braben been working on it since like 2006? Oh yea, thats right its now called Elite Dangerous.
If you accepted Braben quotes at face value you would believe Elite has been in development since the Mid 90's.
I have given equal amounts to both Star Citizen and Elite as I support both games. As I said before you know nothing of which you speak. Also no I do not own an Idris as giving that much to a game in development is just crazy. Frontier started work on the Elite engine as early as 2006 according to the lead developer. In 2007 he was quoted as saying that it had been in development for over two years at that point. The only thing that was new at the time of the Kickstarter was the name of the game as they changed it from the WIP name "Elite 4" to what we now know as Elite Dangerous. This is all in that same Wiki that you pulled your "out of context" quote above. Here is the Early Development portion in it's entirety:
Earlier development
Elite 4 was to be the third sequel to 1984's Elite, a game that David Braben and his former associate, Ian Bell, wrote for the BBC Micro computer, and ported to most other platforms of the day. The first two sequels, Frontier: Elite II and Frontier: First Encounters, were released in the 1990s, the second of which led to an acrimonious falling out of Braben and Bell over use of copyright and royalties.[62] David Braben had stated production of Elite 4 was ready to begin after the release of The Outsider. During a lecture in June, 2009, Braben confirmed that Elite 4 would be available on multiple console platforms, as well as on PC.[63]
In November 2006, GameSpot conducted an interview with Braben, where the subject of Elite 4 arose. Braben revealed that Elite 4 began and ceased development as an MMORPG in 2000, abandoned due to the immaturity of technology for online play. When asked if the game would ever be released, Braben responded "We will do Elite 4 after Outsider, so it will benefit from everything we've done in Outsider."[64] Braben repeated this claim in a Game Theory Show podcast in August 2007.[65]
During an interview with Computer and Video Games in September 2007, Braben revealed that Frontier Developments was working on new technologies required to deliver the game, and had been for two years.[66] At the Gamecity International Interactive Entertainment Festival 2007 event in Nottingham UK, it was revealed that Braben and Frontier Developments were aiming to have Elite 4 released for the current generation of gaming consoles and PC.[67] Also at the event, Braben, during an interview about courses teaching game development in the UK, revealed that Frontier Developments were recruiting staff to work on projects including Elite 4.[68]
At the 2008 Game Developers Conference in Germany, David Braben hinted that an announcement regarding the game's release would come in 2008. Braben stated that the new version "would certainly need a better interface, or at least one which is easier to use for modern gamers."[69]
In 2009, the game was said to be under development.[70] In an interview with the BBC to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the original game, Braben confirmed that the game was still in development, saying, "We'd be mad not to go back to the world of Elite and I'm very excited about it," and adding that it would be released only "when it's ready."[71] Supposed platforms were the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.[63][67]
In May 2010, Braben told Eurogamer that there had been staff changes, but that "our commitment to the game is as strong as ever."[72]
However, Elite 4 had been removed from the 'in-development' section of Frontier Developments — making the status of its development unclear. In addition, Frontier Developments no longer had any links to the website for the game.[73]
At the twenty-fifth annual Game Developers Conference, Braben presented a post-mortem discussing the development of Elite. The final question in the Q&A section asked if Elite 4 was still on the drawing board and he replied "yes, it would be a tragedy for it not to be."[74]
In November 2012, Frontier Developments announced that the game was now named Elite: Dangerous, and would be funded via Kickstarter. The Kickstarter project remained open for 60 days, and rewards included a digital copy of the game, standard and premium boxed copies, a T-shirt, and access to alpha and beta test versions of the game. Funding is still available through the Elite website, via PayPal. [30]
Elite: Dangerous is being developed using Frontier Development's own in-house "Cobra" game development engine.[75]
This is taken directly from their Wiki Page and can be found here. I suppose you thought Braben pulled all of that in-game footage they used during the Kickstarter campaign out of thin air?
You were banned because you openly Flamed another member (me) and not for anything as noble as you pretend. I'll say it a second time... Educate yourself and come on back as you are just spouting hate nonsense and misinformation. Your ban should give you some quiet reading time on both the Elite website and RSI.com. It really baffles me why people like you think both games can't coexist and that "There can be only ONE!!!".
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If that was the case you wouldn't have anyone left in these forums
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
There is a video debut of their new studio. Looks like they have a lot of talent hard at work on everything. Looks like a no compromise operation. I got really high hopes.
found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgPXgTWh2ec
i know dozens of people that blow entire paychecks on a weekend of hard partying....and all they are left with are head splitting hang overs and a significant less amount of brain cells.......
even if this game is a total flop, a few hundred $$ wasted on a game it's not the end of the world. let people spend their money how they wish.
I will support crowd funded mo`s[smaller online games]
like shroud of the avatar not as pretty maybe as the big games but mush more interesting,you have to think not just button bash.
Well said. While I haven't spent as much as some, I've spent more than others and I'm perfectly happy with how they're proceeding and have no complaints whatsoever. Even if I wind up not liking the game, as long as it's successful I will be happy as the current way games are funded and designed has got to change if we're going to get any innovation back in the genre.
This