56% of a very small % of posters on this site is not a very good indicator. Especially when the "cool thing to do" is hate on the new game. So you continue your crusade you continue to think one poll on this site is scientific evidence. You continue to spin sales numbers all you want. I would think time would be spent better on something you enjoy, but to each their own I guess.
I'm sure it didn't came to your mind that if I'm posting this, it's because I'm a big fan of the ES games, and I was looking forward to play this game too, only to see it ruined not only by some poor design decisions, but also by very poor business practices when it comes to a subscription based game.
Nope, it's easier to dismiss someone as a hater on a "crusade".
Good job
See this is what I've been saying YOU think it's a poor design decision, YOU think it's a poor business practice. YOU and you scientific poll are not the majority or the fan base they are aiming for. Not every game will be directed at YOU if your a big ES fan that's great doesn't mean everything YOU think should be in this game or designed the way YOU think it should be.
If your not a hater good for you, if you don't think your on some crusade to change the game good for you, it's just the way you came across.
Oh yes, so who are they aiming this game to?
Not ES scroll fans according to your little diatribe.
Not to MMORPG fans either, apparently.
So who? Who will play this game long term, paying $15 per month as well a for cash shop gated content?
Are you really implying Zenimax didn't do any market research before deciding on a payment model for a project that has cost 100mil+ or whatever? And that you know it better? /facepalm
And isn't it a tad too early to call the game "ruined due to bad design decisions"?
You do realize that something isn't necessarily objectively "bad" because it isn't catered exactly to your personal needs and preferences, right? Or are you indeed the center of the universe? *cues x-files theme*
Just because you like the game does not mean you have to justify and agree with all of their decisions. I saw the same sort of stuff with Star Wars right before launch. People would bring up a touchy subject then everyone would jump up and down screaming how they are wrong and a hater. Its a weird rationale that you cannot be in the middle or leaning on any topics here. You are either all the way in or all the way out on subjects. You know you are allowed to think that it looks like a fun game but this pay wall is a bit shady after making statements to suggest you wouldn't do these things.
56% of a very small % of posters on this site is not a very good indicator. Especially when the "cool thing to do" is hate on the new game. So you continue your crusade you continue to think one poll on this site is scientific evidence. You continue to spin sales numbers all you want. I would think time would be spent better on something you enjoy, but to each their own I guess.
I'm sure it didn't came to your mind that if I'm posting this, it's because I'm a big fan of the ES games, and I was looking forward to play this game too, only to see it ruined not only by some poor design decisions, but also by very poor business practices when it comes to a subscription based game.
Nope, it's easier to dismiss someone as a hater on a "crusade".
Good job
See this is what I've been saying YOU think it's a poor design decision, YOU think it's a poor business practice. YOU and you scientific poll are not the majority or the fan base they are aiming for. Not every game will be directed at YOU if your a big ES fan that's great doesn't mean everything YOU think should be in this game or designed the way YOU think it should be.
If your not a hater good for you, if you don't think your on some crusade to change the game good for you, it's just the way you came across.
Oh yes, so who are they aiming this game to?
Not ES scroll fans according to your little diatribe.
Not to MMORPG fans either, apparently.
So who? Who will play this game long term, paying $15 per month as well a for cash shop gated content?
Well it will be ES fans just not ones like you who are all angry about something. It will also bring in new players to the ES universe. Those like you who are angry and upset will be left behind and those who will be playing wont miss a step because you will still be on this site being angry over a video game.
This is not really an Elder Scrolls game though. Its a DaOC game wearing Elder Scrolls make up. Most of the Elder Scrolls fans will be plenty happy once the next single player game comes out in a year or two. Hey after all if this game does do okay it will still be there in 6 months and most likely at a reduced rate. I don't think they are bringing in a bunch of new players into this series. Your MMO players in the world are pretty much there already. You have to get them in and if you don't you are in for a lot of trouble
Another 5 month old game. Great competition indeed, compared to the supposed "last kid on the block" with both MMORPG but also ES/Skyrim fans supporting it, and only on it's second day being sold.
ESO (the topic under discussion) is #2. Those games are at the top, and the regular ESO is right up there with them. Just like every other preorder for every other game that has a preorder and a "special" edition, people are eating it up. They might regret their purchase later, but that's obviously not stopping them from buying it now.
Oh, I don't disagree on that, except that the competition is very poor.
Yeah, I noticed the competition too. I would bet having nothing else to buy is going to drive sales that much higher. Again, people might regret their decision later, but there is no chance that putting up the preorders now is going to have a negative impact on sales.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
"What does The Elders Scrolls Online cost? Players can pre-purchase digital versions through The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). The digital Standard Edition is priced at $59.99 (€54.99 / £49.99) while the digital Imperial Edition is priced at $79.99 (€79.99 / £69.99). Players can also pre-order physical editions through participating retailers worldwide. "
So, you are pre-purchasing digital editions, and pre-ordering physical ones.
Interesting. Other than through Steam, I always buy physical, I'd never encountered that problem. Don't know why anyone who isn't sure about the game would go digital at this point then, not like they will run out digital copies if you don't order soon enough.
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by GuyClinch
The game only costs 59.99.
If you want the full experience (all races), you have to pay $79.99.
Depending on the player, that could be overstating it a bit. A given piece of content is only relevant when you plan to make use of it. A player who doesn't want to play an Imperial, and doesn't care what color his horse is, would still be getting the full experience he was going for even with the standard edition.
Originally posted by Phry
It did for ME3. There is every reason to believe it will here also. The only question is at what point, will Zenimax do the right thing.
This is not a ME3 situation. The internet exploded so hard over that that there were actual news pieces on tons of websites about the outrage. How many news pieces have you seen so far on this so-called "backlash?"
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
"What does The Elders Scrolls Online cost? Players can pre-purchase digital versions through The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). The digital Standard Edition is priced at $59.99 (€54.99 / £49.99) while the digital Imperial Edition is priced at $79.99 (€79.99 / £69.99). Players can also pre-order physical editions through participating retailers worldwide. "
So, you are pre-purchasing digital editions, and pre-ordering physical ones.
Interesting. Other than through Steam, I always buy physical, I'd never encountered that problem. Don't know why anyone who isn't sure about the game would go digital at this point then, not like they will run out digital copies if you don't order soon enough.
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by GuyClinch
The game only costs 59.99.
If you want the full experience (all races), you have to pay $79.99.
Depending on the player, that could be overstating it a bit. A given piece of content is only relevant when you plan to make use of it. A player who doesn't want to play an Imperial, and doesn't care what color his horse is, would still be getting the full experience he was going for even with the standard edition.
Originally posted by Phry
It did for ME3. There is every reason to believe it will here also. The only question is at what point, will Zenimax do the right thing.
This is not a ME3 situation. The internet exploded so hard over that that there were actual news pieces on tons of websites about the outrage. How many news pieces have you seen so far on this so-called "backlash?"
As this is the beginning, then who knows how its going to be reported, that its going to be reported on in national media is not a given, but, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was. This is day 1, tomorrow, who knows how far it will have spread.
"What does The Elders Scrolls Online cost? Players can pre-purchase digital versions through The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). The digital Standard Edition is priced at $59.99 (€54.99 / £49.99) while the digital Imperial Edition is priced at $79.99 (€79.99 / £69.99). Players can also pre-order physical editions through participating retailers worldwide. "
So, you are pre-purchasing digital editions, and pre-ordering physical ones.
Interesting. Other than through Steam, I always buy physical, I'd never encountered that problem. Don't know why anyone who isn't sure about the game would go digital at this point then, not like they will run out digital copies if you don't order soon enough.
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by GuyClinch
The game only costs 59.99.
If you want the full experience (all races), you have to pay $79.99.
Depending on the player, that could be overstating it a bit. A given piece of content is only relevant when you plan to make use of it. A player who doesn't want to play an Imperial, and doesn't care what color his horse is, would still be getting the full experience he was going for even with the standard edition.
Originally posted by Phry
It did for ME3. There is every reason to believe it will here also. The only question is at what point, will Zenimax do the right thing.
This is not a ME3 situation. The internet exploded so hard over that that there were actual news pieces on tons of websites about the outrage. How many news pieces have you seen so far on this so-called "backlash?"
As this is the beginning, then who knows how its going to be reported, that its going to be reported on in national media is not a given, but, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was. This is day 1, tomorrow, who knows how far it will have spread.
It will have spread so far that there will be even more preorders and the next day even more the day after that even more! While the same few on sites like this will continue their doom and gloom *scary music*
If thats the case then Zenimax will have been vindicated, perhaps the backlash over ME3 was just because it was EA/Bioware, and just an isolated case. But i doubt that is what will happen, interesting times indeed.
Have gaming companies gone too far? I think they have, which is why I only buy games on the discount rate these days. There's just too much out there, for too good a discount, to bother paying sticker.
Then again, I'm older now; back when I was younger I paid the new release sticker price. Then I learned that if you wait a good month or two, you get it at half price.
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Yes! Oh and every car should include all the same features all at one price so that it's fare to everyone who wants that car!
Computer/cellphone all technology needs to stop selling devices with different storage amounts! It should all always be the exact same amount!
You know what every taco should only ever come WITH cheese because we are paying for a taco I dont want to pay extra to have the full taco experience!
Yes! Because the car company charges you a fee every month for driving the car, even though you actually paid the full price when you bought it. And if you don't pay the monthly fee, the claim the car back, despite you having paid for the car.
Again, you don't pay the cell phone company a monthly fee for using the phone. You pay a provider for access but the cell phone company doesn't get any of those money.
It's easy to make comparisons when you leave out several of the contradicting facts...
You pay for the game box, a subscription every month and that should grant you access to all the content because that is what a subscription model is for. If it was a F2P game then they could charge five horses for access to the dungeon of 1000 women and it would be okay because I don't pay a monthly fee. But hey, keep defending the guys who rip you for money.. Do you really think it's okay for a company to sell you a product, demand a monthly fee for using it, demand more money when they release new expansions and still charge money for items that should be paid for by the box costs and subscription fees.
"What does The Elders Scrolls Online cost? Players can pre-purchase digital versions through The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). The digital Standard Edition is priced at $59.99 (€54.99 / £49.99) while the digital Imperial Edition is priced at $79.99 (€79.99 / £69.99). Players can also pre-order physical editions through participating retailers worldwide. "
So, you are pre-purchasing digital editions, and pre-ordering physical ones.
Interesting. Other than through Steam, I always buy physical, I'd never encountered that problem. Don't know why anyone who isn't sure about the game would go digital at this point then, not like they will run out digital copies if you don't order soon enough.
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by GuyClinch
The game only costs 59.99.
If you want the full experience (all races), you have to pay $79.99.
Depending on the player, that could be overstating it a bit. A given piece of content is only relevant when you plan to make use of it. A player who doesn't want to play an Imperial, and doesn't care what color his horse is, would still be getting the full experience he was going for even with the standard edition.
Originally posted by Phry
It did for ME3. There is every reason to believe it will here also. The only question is at what point, will Zenimax do the right thing.
This is not a ME3 situation. The internet exploded so hard over that that there were actual news pieces on tons of websites about the outrage. How many news pieces have you seen so far on this so-called "backlash?"
As this is the beginning, then who knows how its going to be reported, that its going to be reported on in national media is not a given, but, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was. This is day 1, tomorrow, who knows how far it will have spread.
CazNeerg is right. This isn't the same thing as ME3. People having to pay extra for something is expected to most consumers. People spending years on a story line and then having it dumped into a black hole is a whole different thing.
Searching Google News for ESO information, there's little or nothing about people who are outraged. I'm having a hard time finding one story. It's been hours. More than enough time for a new outlet to pick up a story on this. There may be some outrage, but it's nowhere near the scale of what happened with ME3. It's certainly not noticeable compared to the stories on ESO offering a preorder.
There's plenty of stuff in blogs, but it's hard to say what they are outraged about without reading every single one of them. It's hard to judge just exactly how much influence any of those blogs have too. Not sure how Google tailors searched, but in my search, MMORPG.com is right there at the top of the list. This site is the most important site in regards to outrage over the preorder, the Imperial Edition and probably everything else. Given that this one site is pretty small compared to the overall population likely to buy the game, I think it's safe to say that gamers are not outraged over any of this.
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I could be wrong about this. If someone wants to take the time to remind me about this post (because I will move on), I'd be happy to post a follow up saying I'm wrong about this if I end up being wrong about this.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
but seriously, I have never heard enthusiasts of any other activity (gaming) complain so much about the costs. In relation to JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER HOBBY, gaming is pretty damn cheap. Let's say, for example, you pay $80 for ESO and play it for 3 months. The first month is included, so that's $110 for 3 months, or $1.22/day. You can't even buy a cup of coffee for that. MMO gamers are very jaded. And I'm not trying to troll here, I just think we need to put things into perspective. They spent 200 million dollars making this game, that's not chump change.
Your first line is trolling.
What the op is trying to say is gamer's need to start standing up for them selves and not just taking it up the you know where like your willing to do. U.S. game companies are the worse in the world as far as trying to suck every dime out of its costumers. And as long as they have people willing to pay whatever they say it will get worse. Gamer's are passive and won't get angry at being treated like this. You saying that this is fine to do is something i will never understand. It has nothing to do with getting a job. Its about having common sense with your money.
but seriously, I have never heard enthusiasts of any other activity (gaming) complain so much about the costs. In relation to JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER HOBBY, gaming is pretty damn cheap. Let's say, for example, you pay $80 for ESO and play it for 3 months. The first month is included, so that's $110 for 3 months, or $1.22/day. You can't even buy a cup of coffee for that. MMO gamers are very jaded. And I'm not trying to troll here, I just think we need to put things into perspective. They spent 200 million dollars making this game, that's not chump change.
Your first line is trolling.
What the op is trying to say is gamer's need to start standing up for them selves and not just taking it up the you know where like your willing to do. U.S. game companies are the worse in the world as far as trying to suck every dime out of its costumers. And as long as they have people willing to pay whatever they say it will get worse. Gamer's are passive and won't get angry at being treated like this. You saying that this is fine to do is something i will never understand. It has nothing to do with getting a job. Its about having common sense with your money.
a) you can't tell others what they should pay or not pay for products they want. It's up to everyone to decide on their perceived value of a product. Your personal opinion is just that. A personal opinion.
b) the market regulates itself. If a company overprices, then the product fails. Period. As long as they don't deliberately mislead and scam people, you can't have outside interference/regulation or people dictating prices because they personally don't like current ones. That's not how a free market works.
c) having common sense is to not buy if it's overpriced. So, do it. I am sure many will. No need to freak and throw exaggerations and rants around. If enough people don't buy, the companies will "get it". The only way they will.
d) They did their market research before deciding on the pricing. Did you, before citicizing their decisions?
It will have spread so far that there will be even more preorders and the next day even more the day after that even more! While the same few on sites like this will continue their doom and gloom *scary music*
Hey! I'll have you know I cancelled my pre-order! Granted, that is because I realized I had enough reward points at Best Buy to get the Imperial Edition basically free if I ordered there, but still, that Amazon order is cancelled!
Originally posted by Phry
If thats the case then Zenimax will have been vindicated, perhaps the backlash over ME3 was just because it was EA/Bioware, and just an isolated case. But i doubt that is what will happen, interesting times indeed.
I honestly don't think it had anything to do with the company. As lizardbones touched on, it was about years of emotional investment being crapped all over by a poorly thought out ending inconsistent with both the themes and the narrative of both the series as a whole, and even the rest of the game it was attached to.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
The saddest thing about this whole incident are the people defending it. I guess we all have them to thank for publishers and developers somehow thinking that it is OK to sell in-game advantages over other players, even in a subscription game.
If it really is going too far they'll find out the hard way. People will vote with their wallets, especially after launch, by refusing to buy a game that doesn't offer everything for the standard price.
Or the devs will be smart about it and put this collector/pre-order/whatever it is offer on Steam and Amazon post-launch and let the prices drop accordingly so late adopters can enjoy the same little perks but later, and for less money. I suspect that is what will happen.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
a) you can't tell others what they should pay or not pay for products they want. It's up to everyone to decide on their perceived value of a product. Your personal opinion is just that. A personal opinion.
b) the market regulates itself. If a company overprices, then the product fails. Period. As long as they don't deliberately mislead and scam people, you can't have outside interference/regulation or people dictating prices because they personally don't like current ones. That's not how a free market works.
c) having common sense is to not buy if it's overpriced. So, do it. I am sure many will. No need to freak and throw exaggerations and rants around. If enough people don't buy, the companies will "get it". The only way they will.
d) They did their market research before deciding on the pricing. Did you, before citicizing their decisions?
Basically this.
And i don't see their pricing to be out of whack with other SP games. In general, a new game is $60, and a CE is $90-120.
And if a game can sell millions at that price, more power to the company.
Originally posted by evilastro The saddest thing about this whole incident are the people defending it. I guess we all have them to thank for publishers and developers somehow thinking that it is OK to sell in-game advantages over other players, even in a subscription game.
All the people arguing about this, from any perspective, amount to less than a drop in the bucket of the people buying the game. You have the buying public as a whole to thank, not a small number of people on a forum.
And we have no reason to believe there is any substantive in game "advantage" being provided. Different does not necessarily mean better.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
yeah, and if there is a taco that charges me extra for cheese i will not be buying from that retailer.
Edit: A cell phone having different storage sizes is NOT like a game providing an entirely new feature, or an aspect of said game IE Mass effect DLC or Elder scrolls online. You really are terrible at analogies.
The examples you gave are atrocious, all of those things SHOULD be included. The MMO industry is nickling and diming for 'features' rather than charging extra for fun cosmetics.
Originally posted by evilastro The saddest thing about this whole incident are the people defending it. I guess we all have them to thank for publishers and developers somehow thinking that it is OK to sell in-game advantages over other players, even in a subscription game.
The mount and other features are par on course for a CE, but not a standard race been in the game for over 10 years.
If anyone needs an example of cash grab/milking, the ESO CE is the epitome of it. For that it should be condemned.
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
Wait, which Elder Scrolls game didn't have vampires?
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
Wait, which Elder Scrolls game didn't have vampires?
Not as a character race itself. You could turn into one and chose to not take the cure. There's no lore for you in the game like character races enjoy. It's why the mods were popular as modders made vampires into more than a bug.
but seriously, I have never heard enthusiasts of any other activity (gaming) complain so much about the costs. In relation to JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER HOBBY, gaming is pretty damn cheap. Let's say, for example, you pay $80 for ESO and play it for 3 months. The first month is included, so that's $110 for 3 months, or $1.22/day. You can't even buy a cup of coffee for that. MMO gamers are very jaded. And I'm not trying to troll here, I just think we need to put things into perspective. They spent 200 million dollars making this game, that's not chump change.
First of all, it is not about the specific value: $80. I can easily afford it. My headphones alone cost over $1000. It is about the fact that they are withholding actual content, unless you pay a premium. It's like when Mass Effect charged for a DLC when the game wasn't even released yet. Furthermore, other hobbies and the costs associated with them have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Are you trying to say that because having a boat costs thousands of dollars that gamers shouldn't complain that prices are evidently rising? I hope you see the flaw in your reasoning. Also, the whole argument about it costing 200 million is pointless, considering most of that is offered in the Standard Edition. What is alarming is the fact that a game that charges a box price, a subscription, will probably have paid expansions, is also charging for new races which are not simply cosmetic. How can they justify maintaining the subscription model when they charge even more for additional content?
Well if this was my business I would be charging people $150-$100-$75 and the sub on top as my business model would be worth it to support my staff and I would of gone one further and had two servers one with sub and another with buy shinny items and F2P to take money from both sides of the MMO playing public.
As a business do you think I care about 1% of people crying about how I make my income, Hell no! I would be happy for the odd whining person not to buy my game as I don't want to waste my good customer service people dealing with the 1% I would want to pay my staff to help the one's buying my product.
Let me explain what I mean by whining person. People who feel I have locked content, or people who hate my company because I have priced them out of it, or people who hate my business model or company par say.
They are offering customers to buy certain things from them at set prices and for this you can have certain content. So if you want that content then feel free to invest in it, or if not then choose a lower content. If you have a problem with me providing any of the previous content then, go shop elsewhere I don't want your money.
I run my business like that and my business model is running a dream and my customers choose what services they want, I have only had two people complain about how I charge for my services in the 5 years I've been in business so I'll let you work out how much time I spent with those two. So I salute Zenimax and wish them well and I will support them with one of their price plans, again I'll let you work out which one I'll be playing...Not hard that.
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
Wait, which Elder Scrolls game didn't have vampires?
Not as a character race itself. You could turn into one and chose to not take the cure. There's no lore for you in the game like character races enjoy. It's why the mods were popular as modders made vampires into more than a bug.
No lore? There is actually quite a bit of vampire lore in the games. And, when you are a vampire, you tend to get at least as many unique reactions from that status as you do from any of the racial choices, if not more.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
Wait, which Elder Scrolls game didn't have vampires?
Not as a character race itself. You could turn into one and chose to not take the cure. There's no lore for you in the game like character races enjoy. It's why the mods were popular as modders made vampires into more than a bug.
No lore? There is actually quite a bit of vampire lore in the games. And, when you are a vampire, you tend to get at least as many unique reactions from that status as you do from any of the racial choices, if not more.
That is a mini-game, and the player can easily get the cure and be normal again.
It's not an actual character choice and as permanent. The Imperial race is one that you are "born" into and are, compared to what you can become and just convert back, too.
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Are you really implying Zenimax didn't do any market research before deciding on a payment model for a project that has cost 100mil+ or whatever? And that you know it better? /facepalm
And isn't it a tad too early to call the game "ruined due to bad design decisions"?
You do realize that something isn't necessarily objectively "bad" because it isn't catered exactly to your personal needs and preferences, right? Or are you indeed the center of the universe? *cues x-files theme*
This is not really an Elder Scrolls game though. Its a DaOC game wearing Elder Scrolls make up. Most of the Elder Scrolls fans will be plenty happy once the next single player game comes out in a year or two. Hey after all if this game does do okay it will still be there in 6 months and most likely at a reduced rate. I don't think they are bringing in a bunch of new players into this series. Your MMO players in the world are pretty much there already. You have to get them in and if you don't you are in for a lot of trouble
Yeah, I noticed the competition too. I would bet having nothing else to buy is going to drive sales that much higher. Again, people might regret their decision later, but there is no chance that putting up the preorders now is going to have a negative impact on sales.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Interesting. Other than through Steam, I always buy physical, I'd never encountered that problem. Don't know why anyone who isn't sure about the game would go digital at this point then, not like they will run out digital copies if you don't order soon enough.
Depending on the player, that could be overstating it a bit. A given piece of content is only relevant when you plan to make use of it. A player who doesn't want to play an Imperial, and doesn't care what color his horse is, would still be getting the full experience he was going for even with the standard edition. This is not a ME3 situation. The internet exploded so hard over that that there were actual news pieces on tons of websites about the outrage. How many news pieces have you seen so far on this so-called "backlash?"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
As this is the beginning, then who knows how its going to be reported, that its going to be reported on in national media is not a given, but, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was. This is day 1, tomorrow, who knows how far it will have spread.
If thats the case then Zenimax will have been vindicated, perhaps the backlash over ME3 was just because it was EA/Bioware, and just an isolated case. But i doubt that is what will happen, interesting times indeed.
Have gaming companies gone too far? I think they have, which is why I only buy games on the discount rate these days. There's just too much out there, for too good a discount, to bother paying sticker.
Then again, I'm older now; back when I was younger I paid the new release sticker price. Then I learned that if you wait a good month or two, you get it at half price.
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"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Yes! Because the car company charges you a fee every month for driving the car, even though you actually paid the full price when you bought it. And if you don't pay the monthly fee, the claim the car back, despite you having paid for the car.
Again, you don't pay the cell phone company a monthly fee for using the phone. You pay a provider for access but the cell phone company doesn't get any of those money.
It's easy to make comparisons when you leave out several of the contradicting facts...
You pay for the game box, a subscription every month and that should grant you access to all the content because that is what a subscription model is for. If it was a F2P game then they could charge five horses for access to the dungeon of 1000 women and it would be okay because I don't pay a monthly fee. But hey, keep defending the guys who rip you for money.. Do you really think it's okay for a company to sell you a product, demand a monthly fee for using it, demand more money when they release new expansions and still charge money for items that should be paid for by the box costs and subscription fees.
CazNeerg is right. This isn't the same thing as ME3. People having to pay extra for something is expected to most consumers. People spending years on a story line and then having it dumped into a black hole is a whole different thing.
Searching Google News for ESO information, there's little or nothing about people who are outraged. I'm having a hard time finding one story. It's been hours. More than enough time for a new outlet to pick up a story on this. There may be some outrage, but it's nowhere near the scale of what happened with ME3. It's certainly not noticeable compared to the stories on ESO offering a preorder.
There's plenty of stuff in blogs, but it's hard to say what they are outraged about without reading every single one of them. It's hard to judge just exactly how much influence any of those blogs have too. Not sure how Google tailors searched, but in my search, MMORPG.com is right there at the top of the list. This site is the most important site in regards to outrage over the preorder, the Imperial Edition and probably everything else. Given that this one site is pretty small compared to the overall population likely to buy the game, I think it's safe to say that gamers are not outraged over any of this.
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I could be wrong about this. If someone wants to take the time to remind me about this post (because I will move on), I'd be happy to post a follow up saying I'm wrong about this if I end up being wrong about this.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Your first line is trolling.
What the op is trying to say is gamer's need to start standing up for them selves and not just taking it up the you know where like your willing to do. U.S. game companies are the worse in the world as far as trying to suck every dime out of its costumers. And as long as they have people willing to pay whatever they say it will get worse. Gamer's are passive and won't get angry at being treated like this. You saying that this is fine to do is something i will never understand. It has nothing to do with getting a job. Its about having common sense with your money.
a) you can't tell others what they should pay or not pay for products they want. It's up to everyone to decide on their perceived value of a product. Your personal opinion is just that. A personal opinion.
b) the market regulates itself. If a company overprices, then the product fails. Period. As long as they don't deliberately mislead and scam people, you can't have outside interference/regulation or people dictating prices because they personally don't like current ones. That's not how a free market works.
c) having common sense is to not buy if it's overpriced. So, do it. I am sure many will. No need to freak and throw exaggerations and rants around. If enough people don't buy, the companies will "get it". The only way they will.
d) They did their market research before deciding on the pricing. Did you, before citicizing their decisions?
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
If it really is going too far they'll find out the hard way. People will vote with their wallets, especially after launch, by refusing to buy a game that doesn't offer everything for the standard price.
Or the devs will be smart about it and put this collector/pre-order/whatever it is offer on Steam and Amazon post-launch and let the prices drop accordingly so late adopters can enjoy the same little perks but later, and for less money. I suspect that is what will happen.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Basically this.
And i don't see their pricing to be out of whack with other SP games. In general, a new game is $60, and a CE is $90-120.
And if a game can sell millions at that price, more power to the company.
All the people arguing about this, from any perspective, amount to less than a drop in the bucket of the people buying the game. You have the buying public as a whole to thank, not a small number of people on a forum.
And we have no reason to believe there is any substantive in game "advantage" being provided. Different does not necessarily mean better.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
yeah, and if there is a taco that charges me extra for cheese i will not be buying from that retailer.
Edit: A cell phone having different storage sizes is NOT like a game providing an entirely new feature, or an aspect of said game IE Mass effect DLC or Elder scrolls online. You really are terrible at analogies.
The examples you gave are atrocious, all of those things SHOULD be included. The MMO industry is nickling and diming for 'features' rather than charging extra for fun cosmetics.
Uh o, seems like bad moon's a rising.
The mount and other features are par on course for a CE, but not a standard race been in the game for over 10 years.
If anyone needs an example of cash grab/milking, the ESO CE is the epitome of it. For that it should be condemned.
Races that never been played could've been added (vampires comes to mind), but if you played an Imperial since Morrowind and now have to buy it to even RP, that simply sucks (I normally played Nordics, so I'm not complaining over that, it's the principle).
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Wait, which Elder Scrolls game didn't have vampires?
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Not as a character race itself. You could turn into one and chose to not take the cure. There's no lore for you in the game like character races enjoy. It's why the mods were popular as modders made vampires into more than a bug.
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Well if this was my business I would be charging people $150-$100-$75 and the sub on top as my business model would be worth it to support my staff and I would of gone one further and had two servers one with sub and another with buy shinny items and F2P to take money from both sides of the MMO playing public.
As a business do you think I care about 1% of people crying about how I make my income, Hell no! I would be happy for the odd whining person not to buy my game as I don't want to waste my good customer service people dealing with the 1% I would want to pay my staff to help the one's buying my product.
Let me explain what I mean by whining person. People who feel I have locked content, or people who hate my company because I have priced them out of it, or people who hate my business model or company par say.
They are offering customers to buy certain things from them at set prices and for this you can have certain content. So if you want that content then feel free to invest in it, or if not then choose a lower content. If you have a problem with me providing any of the previous content then, go shop elsewhere I don't want your money.
I run my business like that and my business model is running a dream and my customers choose what services they want, I have only had two people complain about how I charge for my services in the 5 years I've been in business so I'll let you work out how much time I spent with those two. So I salute Zenimax and wish them well and I will support them with one of their price plans, again I'll let you work out which one I'll be playing...Not hard that.
Asbo
No lore? There is actually quite a bit of vampire lore in the games. And, when you are a vampire, you tend to get at least as many unique reactions from that status as you do from any of the racial choices, if not more.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
That is a mini-game, and the player can easily get the cure and be normal again.
It's not an actual character choice and as permanent. The Imperial race is one that you are "born" into and are, compared to what you can become and just convert back, too.
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