Need further proof the Kick Starter idea is dumb founded?

Wizardry

This proves how dumb people are when comes to spending.It also proves that just about anyone and everyone are seeing an easy scam to get FREE money from the naive is Naive even the right word to use?.Now there is also the chance that perhaps this proves there is some some FAKE pledges to try and encourage others to chime in.Example you see tons others pledging so you think ok ,i am in as well,you never really know and cannot trust them one bit,especially when $$$ is involved.

Just dumb

Btw there has also been giant businesses in the movie industry using kick starter to fund their TV series/shows.

Warner Bros

These people do NOT need one nickle of your money but guess what,clueless people  are willing to give them free money anyhow and why?

 

darker70

Yes I agree in part some people are really dumb and if you back something on KS you take a gamble you either get the goodies,get the goodies then get burned,or it does not fund.

So objectively you need to like I said gamble but you can not class all of the happy people like myself who have funded on Kickstarter as dumb far from it and after seeing great results from SC to Pulsar to Limit Theory how can you ?

Also one other fact Kickstarter and crowd funding as jump started the PC industry as it was said to be a dieing breed as the consoles and COD ruled  but now it has turned full circle.Be it Windows or Linux with so many indies now funded, and many devs from larger monopoly companies let go and now free to create games as creative as the Amiga days as they have the money and creative desire to do so.

 

bcbully

Bad apples, KS needs a more defined policy.

Kevyne-Shandris

Originally posted by Wizardry

These people do NOT need one nickle of your money but guess what,clueless people  are willing to give them free money anyhow and why?

Here's something to think about: if they're not good in gathering resources to build a game, it'll tell you how good they'll be in actually running one. ^-^

Damedius

Your post is short sighted.

Kickstarter is just a form of investment made possible through a website.

Your basically saying because one bad thing happened we should abandon all investments in new projects.

It's similar to saying because one person died in car crash , cars are dumb.

darker70

BC, not sure how you could police it if a dev gets the money and say he is a coding genius like Josh Parnell with LT but God forbid in theory something tragic happens in real life that leaves the project dead in the water how do you account for that ?

And if a company spends all the money or somebody runs off with it that's something that can not be seen as it's a future event to me it's like taking a bet you win or you lose if you lose by nefarious means you lost that bet,maybe catch the bad apples later on if they are accountable of a crime that is.

Gdemami

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Originally posted by darker70

maybe catch the bad apples later on if they are accountable of a crime that is.

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That is the main issue, KS not being an investment means you are not liable for money you collect.

syntax42

I agree with those who are saying it isn't the Kickstarter system that is flawed.  The abuses of it are flawed and a review process or more oversight is needed to ensure only those who actually need money are allowed to ask for funding..

Avarix

There are always going to be those people that cheat the system and use it for something that was never intended. They will always exist, there is no stopping them. This is why it's important to do research, use common sense, and then make an informed decision. This goes for all kinds of things, not just Kickstarter.

 

A few bad people shouldn't paint how the whole is seen. It's still a good program that helps people get their ideas off the ground when it may have been impossible before. 

darker70

Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris

Originally posted by Wizardry

These people do NOT need one nickle of your money but guess what,clueless people  are willing to give them free money anyhow and why?

Here's something to think about: if they're not good in gathering resources to build a game, it'll tell you how good they'll be in actually running one. ^-^

Well here is Mr Parnell again as an example he got 157k from a target of 50k,he has 1000 likes on 13 updates in Youtube you can bet in every update there will be comments of where can I fund this game I want it now kinda thing !!

Simple answer is you can not Josh has stopped all funding after KS no Paypal nada the reason he wants to concentrate on the coding which he does non stop and not get distracted by other issues,now that is his decision alone.

Does this make Josh bad at running a game franchise it has a fantastic forum and community Josh is on non stop daily dev logs and a monthly video update,but  no more income until release so regarding gathering resources even after a KS that really makes your point kind of moot.

Gaendric

Originally posted by Avarix

There are always going to be those people that cheat the system and use it for something that was never intended. They will always exist, there is no stopping them. This is why it's important to do research, use common sense, and then make an informed decision. This goes for all kinds of things, not just Kickstarter.

 

A few bad people shouldn't paint how the whole is seen. It's still a good program that helps people get their ideas off the ground when it may have been impossible before. 

Agreed.

 

 

Gdemami

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Originally posted by Avarix
There are always going to be those people that cheat the system and use it for something that was never intended.

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Irony is that original Kickstarter idea was to provide sustainable and efficient help to local economies of 3rd world countries.

Research, common sense, an informed decision - all those are indeed important and KS.com benefit on their dreadful absence.

TheLizardbones

Originally posted by Wizardry

This proves how dumb people are when comes to spending.It also proves that just about anyone and everyone are seeing an easy scam to get FREE money from the naive is Naive even the right word to use?.Now there is also the chance that perhaps this proves there is some some FAKE pledges to try and encourage others to chime in.Example you see tons others pledging so you think ok ,i am in as well,you never really know and cannot trust them one bit,especially when $$$ is involved.

Just dumb

Btw there has also been giant businesses in the movie industry using kick starter to fund their TV series/shows.

Warner Bros

These people do NOT need one nickle of your money but guess what,clueless people  are willing to give them free money anyhow and why?

 

 

In the case of the Veronica Mars movie, the Kickstarter was started by the actors, not Warner Bros. because Warner Bros. said they had no interest in doing a Veronica Mars movie.  Veronica Mars is a case of the fans paying for something that they wanted to happen, in spite of the studios, not because of them.

 

In the case of the little girl going to camp, maybe there is a larger social issue going on there, where people want to get involved, but still get to be lazy.  Obviously they do, to the tune of over $24,000.  There are apparently going to be more far reaching effects from their Kickstarter than just some girl going to camp.  They've launched PinkieSquare.com to create a place where kids can test, share and publish games in a safe space without getting exposed to too many internet weirdos. 

 

If you guys would f*cking read the details instead of having a knee jerk reaction to something you don't own and something that doesn't impact you at all, maybe you'd see how these things can actually be bringing things into the world that people want, and how the ripples of these things are making the world a better place.

 

Muke

Originally posted by darker70

Yes I agree in part some people are really dumb and if you back something on KS you take a gamble you either get the goodies,get the goodies then get burned,or it does not fund.

So objectively you need to like I said gamble but you can not class all of the happy people like myself who have funded on Kickstarter as dumb far from it and after seeing great results from SC to Pulsar to Limit Theory how can you ?

Also one other fact Kickstarter and crowd funding as jump started the PC industry as it was said to be a dieing breed as the consoles and COD ruled  but now it has turned full circle.Be it Windows or Linux with so many indies now funded, and many devs from larger monopoly companies let go and now free to create games as creative as the Amiga days as they have the money and creative desire to do so.

 

Well, if people have too much money and they want to spend it on crazy stuff, who am I to say they can't do that?

I rather have them just give it to me, though.

Jacxolope

Originally posted by Muke

Originally posted by darker70

Yes I agree in part some people are really dumb and if you back something on KS you take a gamble you either get the goodies,get the goodies then get burned,or it does not fund.

So objectively you need to like I said gamble but you can not class all of the happy people like myself who have funded on Kickstarter as dumb far from it and after seeing great results from SC to Pulsar to Limit Theory how can you ?

Also one other fact Kickstarter and crowd funding as jump started the PC industry as it was said to be a dieing breed as the consoles and COD ruled  but now it has turned full circle.Be it Windows or Linux with so many indies now funded, and many devs from larger monopoly companies let go and now free to create games as creative as the Amiga days as they have the money and creative desire to do so.

 

Well, if people have too much money and they want to spend it on crazy stuff, who am I to say they can't do that?

I rather have them just give it to me, though.

-Start a KS project and they will

Promise the Sun, Moon and Stars for a very nominal price (say 30K) and you will get 20x the amount... Then claim "oops I underestimated" and start ANOTHER KSer to get even more by the same people who are "invested" in the dream you are selling.

Seems to be working quite well. You could literally fund a decent lifestyle for years.

atuerstar

Originally posted by darker70

Crowd funding has jump started the PC industry as it was said to be a dieing breed as the consoles and COD ruled  but now it has turned full circle.Be it Windows or Linux with so many indies now funded, and many devs from larger monopoly companies let go and now free to create games as creative as the Amiga days as they have the money and creative desire to do so.

 

 

I thought I was the only one who was feeling the Amiga generation feeling - so many games, so much creativity, so much freedom with many of these being priced to suit the product rather than full box price for 30% the content.  Its a good time for gamers no matter what the Kickstarter haters say.

Arkade99

My problem with KS is that you have people willing to ante up hundreds and, in some cases, thousands of dollars for an "idea" that is nothing but vaporware, yet people complain about paying a measly $15 monthly sub for a game that is actually live.

JerYnkFan

Don't understand all the Kickstarter hate on this forum all of sudden.  I've back a couple of board games and some independent movies and have gotten a quality product each and every time.  

Sovrath

The first one I can see the point.

The second one?

Well, fans wanted a veronica mars movie. Watner Brothers wasn't interested in making one and does own the property.

So they say that "if people want it and if they can raise their kickstarter then permission is granted and they will pay for distribution.

I think that kickstarter was started by the writer? Director? Something like that.

So in the end the fans got a veronica mars movie.

Heck, if  the movie "Serenity" could only be made through Kickstarter i would have put in.

 

 

 

darker70

Originally posted by atuerstar

Originally posted by darker70

Crowd funding has jump started the PC industry as it was said to be a dieing breed as the consoles and COD ruled  but now it has turned full circle.Be it Windows or Linux with so many indies now funded, and many devs from larger monopoly companies let go and now free to create games as creative as the Amiga days as they have the money and creative desire to do so.

 

 

I thought I was the only one who was feeling the Amiga generation feeling - so many games, so much creativity, so much freedom with many of these being priced to suit the product rather than full box price for 30% the content.  Its a good time for gamers no matter what the Kickstarter haters say.

Amen brother and possible fellow Amigan .

Let's party like it's 1985 !!

 

 

Ikeda

I'm confused.

If I put in money to make a movie, would that not make me an investor?  I should be recieving some form of cut based on how much I paid.  Warner Brothers get a licensing cut and a cut for the distribution.

Instead, people are giving them money to what end?

The second.. I'm not nor will I ever be a beggar.  So I'll likely never be rich/prosperous.  I'm too stand up for that.  It's a shame but I've accepted that I can be a good person and not be rich.

Jacxolope

Originally posted by Ikeda

I'm confused.

If I put in money to make a movie, would that not make me an investor?  I should be recieving some form of cut based on how much I paid.  Warner Brothers get a licensing cut and a cut for the distribution.

Instead, people are giving them money to what end?

The second.. I'm not nor will I ever be a beggar.  So I'll likely never be rich/prosperous.  I'm too stand up for that.  It's a shame but I've accepted that I can be a good person and not be rich.

THIS...

 

And I LOVE it when the devs claim "well, we are working for 'free'" (which may or may not be true).

IF they are, they still hold ALL THE EQUITY which was given to them with no risk. MOST business owners work for "FREE" and are often in the red for years. My cousin (owns a pretty large construction company) effectivley worked "for free" for about 5 years- In fact, he put himself into major debt for that entire time and took the RISK of losing his capital, equity, etc...Should he fail.

Working for "free" is what most business owners do- In my cousins case his "Free" (no paycheck)  was in order to buy literally millions of dollars in excavating equipment which he owned. He may not have seen a paycheck but his net worth was rising to great heights as he purchased and paid off the things he needed to run his company- Things he had equity in.

The same goes for KS...The devs are getting all the equity, owning the IP and making ALL FUTURE profit at ZERO risk to themselves. IF they fail, it was no real "loss" to them since it was other peoples money (people who do not get a piece of the profit IF they succeed) and they keep the equity (assets, liscense , IP)

 

Its win/win.

 

-Also, mentioning that KS is great for things like Indie projects and board games and such....I agree. I have supported several small indies and been very happy. The Spirit of KS is about smaller indie projects. Helping small teams with working prototypes (not an "idea") to buy better graphics or sound for their games- Not Rich people defering risk to the consumer based on selling dreams.

 

Its apples and oranges.

 

KS has its merits but they are quickly being overshadowed.

Sovrath

Originally posted by Ikeda

Instead, people are giving them money to what end?

 

So they can get something they want.

They have deemed the end result to be worth their investment.

And I realize that some people on this forum believe that money is the only thing one gets from an investment but it doesn't have to be that way.

Still, someone came up with the "patron" idea. So if that makes you sleep better then consider them patrons.

Kevyne-Shandris

Originally posted by darker70

Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris

Originally posted by Wizardry

These people do NOT need one nickle of your money but guess what,clueless people  are willing to give them free money anyhow and why?

Here's something to think about: if they're not good in gathering resources to build a game, it'll tell you how good they'll be in actually running one. ^-^

Well here is Mr Parnell again as an example he got 157k from a target of 50k,he has 1000 likes on 13 updates in Youtube you can bet in every update there will be comments of where can I fund this game I want it now kinda thing !!

Simple answer is you can not Josh has stopped all funding after KS no Paypal nada the reason he wants to concentrate on the coding which he does non stop and not get distracted by other issues,now that is his decision alone.

Does this make Josh bad at running a game franchise it has a fantastic forum and community Josh is on non stop daily dev logs and a monthly video update,but  no more income until release so regarding gathering resources even after a KS that really makes your point kind of moot.

Here's what is moot: look at the history of the same kickstarters and what happened to their previous games.

 

Poor management of a game is how they die, and no Kick start will revive it, again.

Tolana

Edited.

SEANMCAD

The gaming industry has dramatically improved already because of kickstarter.

Sorry I am not interested in games designed by investment firms