I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
No you don't drink a 100 dollar bottle of wine to survive. Gaming is entering the real work and i welcome it. No more will college students and high school drop-outs with a monopoly of free time roll over everyone else.
If I spend the money to fly out to some convention and take part why shouldn't I get some stupid little cosmetic thing in game to show I was there. It's a nice gesture by the company to reward it's fans. How shitty that some spoiled brat turns that into something bad because they couldn't or wouldn't do it and seeing someone with something they don't have makes them upset.
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
No you don't drink a 100 dollar bottle of wine to survive. Gaming is entering the real work and i welcome it. No more will college students and high school drop-outs with a monopoly of free time roll over everyone else.
Now I can buy epics and roll over them.
Exactly what is wrong with both society and MMOs today. This is your typical MMO customer. Welcome to the sad future.
The only game that provided exclusive content that I didn't mind was City of heroes. Basically I just got a prestige sprint power. It didn't change much. I didn't look radically different. It was fairly subtle yet cool to me.
With all these other games its actually quite annoying. Then again, I haven't been playing MMO's for sometime now as all the challenge was removed.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
And we are discussing the issue .. where of the discussion is devs can do what they want, and your resource is not to spend any money on them.
No you don't drink a 100 dollar bottle of wine to survive. Gaming is entering the real work and i welcome it. No more will college students and high school drop-outs with a monopoly of free time roll over everyone else.
Now I can buy epics and roll over them.
Exactly what is wrong with both society and MMOs today. This is your typical MMO customer. Welcome to the sad future.
It is not sad if you are a devs rolling in whale money.
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
How is it not good for the consumer? It's certainly good for the consumers who take the extra time and put in the extra effort to get these exclusives. What you're complaining about is that *YOU* are too lazy or too poor or too whatever to get them and therefore, it's just not fair.
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
Then don't do it. That solved your problem. Your problem is that you want the items, you just don't want to pay for them. Too bad. They are available to you the same way they are available to everyone else. Some people choose to buy, some people do not. The ones that buy get, the ones that do not, don't. This isn't unfair at all. It's like the people who buy a 2014 Mercedes Benz E-63 AMG get one and people who only buy a Nissan Versa only get one of those. It's not unfair that everyone doesn't get the Merc.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
How is it not good for the consumer? It's certainly good for the consumers who take the extra time and put in the extra effort to get these exclusives. What you're complaining about is that *YOU* are too lazy or too poor or too whatever to get them and therefore, it's just not fair.
Nobody said life was fair. Get over it.
Such time and effort for 20 extra bucks for an exclusive edition, must have taken you blood, sweat and tears right? You earned that content for sure!
But to take your restaurant example,
I don't get mad when someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine, heck I'll order one myself. Fine wine is something you should pay for.
I do get mad when the restaurant charges me for tap water, I consider that basic hospitality, which should be part of the meal I'm already paying for, and if a restaurant is incapable of giving me that I'll take my patronage elsewhere.
I'm not against all exclusive content, but in subscription MMOs I am very much against a lot of it, especially things like races. I consider that part of the subscription I'm already paying and basic hospitality of the company towards their customers. If they're incapable of providing that then I'll also take my patronage elsewhere.
We are the bunny. Resistance is futile. ''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\ ( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o) (")("),,(")("),(")(")
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
Then don't do it. That solved your problem. Your problem is that you want the items, you just don't want to pay for them. Too bad. They are available to you the same way they are available to everyone else. Some people choose to buy, some people do not. The ones that buy get, the ones that do not, don't. This isn't unfair at all. It's like the people who buy a 2014 Mercedes Benz E-63 AMG get one and people who only buy a Nissan Versa only get one of those. It's not unfair that everyone doesn't get the Merc.
I don't buy it. Not because I can't afford it, but because I'm not dumb enough to buy a virtual item that doesn't exist other then a few pieces of data on a screen. I've already stated why I feel this selling items in game is wrong and it has nothing to do with having or not having money for said item.
I just thought up some more retort for your rebuttal. You are buying a fancy car that someone else can't afford. That's fine because it doesn't affect anyone else around you. You drive your fancy car to work and someone else drives their Honda. It doesn't have an impact on anyone but yourself.
On the flip side we have a game. A game that is played by a massive amount of people. The people already payed to play the game. The key here is they payed to "play the game". They did not pay for a pieces of artwork with the intention getting more pieces of artwork in an auction house at a later date.
Perhaps one day you will have enough money to pay a football team off. Then they will allow you to play as their lead striker. You can then pay for a fancy jersey, to have a fancy special jersey, and to have the defenders allow you to score dribble around them and score goals against them. Maybe then you will feel proud of yourself.
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
Ok wait. Immoral? How is offering fluff for cash immoral? Charging $10 a gallon for gas during a natural disaster is immoral and illegal. If the average every day market supports the service offered at the price requested then how is that immoral?? Say it with me, profits are NOT evil. They are the reason you have games to play in the first place.
I don't buy it. Not because I can't afford it, but because I'm not dumb enough to buy a virtual item that doesn't exist other then a few pieces of data on a screen. I've already stated why I feel this selling items in game is wrong and it has nothing to do with having or not having money for said item.
In your opinion.
Obviously it is not "wrong" in the eyes of the devs of are using such systems, and not "wrong" for many who actually purchase such virtual items.
So again, you are saying you don't like it ... we get that.
You have no way to stop it, so your only recourse is not to buy any virtual item. And of course you can rant about it on internet forums too. However, i doubt if that is going to have any effects .. and even if there is some effect, it is going to be a lot weaker than the "cha-ching" developers hear from the $$$ they get from whales.
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
Ok wait. Immoral? How is offering fluff for cash immoral? Charging $10 a gallon for gas during a natural disaster is immoral and illegal. If the average every day market supports the service offered at the price requested then how is that immoral?? Say it with me, profits are NOT evil. They are the reason you have games to play in the first place.
The point being they should be making the cash in the base price of the product. If they feel their game has 80 dollars or 100 dollars worth of content then charge 80 to 100 dollars. The main problem is the intrusion of real life in the game and trying to nickle and dime people. It seems today that people feel it's OK to try and milk every penny they can get out of other people. To me trying to get people to spend their money in a cash shop should be illegal.
Ok wait. Immoral? How is offering fluff for cash immoral? Charging $10 a gallon for gas during a natural disaster is immoral and illegal. If the average every day market supports the service offered at the price requested then how is that immoral?? Say it with me, profits are NOT evil. They are the reason you have games to play in the first place.
The point being they should be making the cash in the base price of the product. If they feel their game has 80 dollars or 100 dollars worth of content then charge 80 to 100 dollars. The main problem is the intrusion of real life in the game and trying to nickle and dime people. It seems today that people feel it's OK to try and milk every penny they can get out of other people. To me trying to get people to spend their money in a cash shop should be illegal.
Yup. And if you don't want to buy it, don't. It's your own fault that you have so little self control that it bothers you that you can't have all this pointless exclusive garbage that games put up for sale. Don't like it? Don't buy it. [mod edit]
Then don't do it. That solved your problem. Your problem is that you want the items, you just don't want to pay for them. Too bad. They are available to you the same way they are available to everyone else. Some people choose to buy, some people do not. The ones that buy get, the ones that do not, don't. This isn't unfair at all. It's like the people who buy a 2014 Mercedes Benz E-63 AMG get one and people who only buy a Nissan Versa only get one of those. It's not unfair that everyone doesn't get the Merc.
I don't buy it. Not because I can't afford it, but because I'm not dumb enough to buy a virtual item that doesn't exist other then a few pieces of data on a screen. I've already stated why I feel this selling items in game is wrong and it has nothing to do with having or not having money for said item.
I just thought up some more retort for your rebuttal. You are buying a fancy car that someone else can't afford. That's fine because it doesn't affect anyone else around you. You drive your fancy car to work and someone else drives their Honda. It doesn't have an impact on anyone but yourself.
On the flip side we have a game. A game that is played by a massive amount of people. The people already payed to play the game. The key here is they payed to "play the game". They did not pay for a pieces of artwork with the intention getting more pieces of artwork in an auction house at a later date.
Perhaps one day you will have enough money to pay a football team off. Then they will allow you to play as their lead striker. You can then pay for a fancy jersey, to have a fancy special jersey, and to have the defenders allow you to score dribble around them and score goals against them. Maybe then you will feel proud of yourself.
You don't buy it but you still whine about it. If you want those things, you can either attend the events where they are given away or you can buy them from the cash shop or whatever. If you choose not to do it, then stop whining that you don't have them. I don't buy anything out of any cash shop, ever, but you don't see me trolling the MMORPG.com forums bitching because I don't have the things I didn't want to spend money on. You are claiming it's wrong, you have not DEMONSTRATED that it's wrong. Your opinion doesn't make it so.
I don't need to have stupid crap in a game to feel proud of myself. Why do you?
My whole argument was that I feel it's wrong because it intrudes on the game experience because it deals with buying things for real money. When you buy a game it should include all the pieces.
I never said that I wanted the items or would buy them. I just said from a moral stand point they should be included in the based price so that they don't intrude on the game experience and people aren't nickled and dimed to death. People seem so happy to stick up for micro transactions today. I guess a lot of people are happy to waste their money and have money intrude upon their game experience.
Ok wait. Immoral? How is offering fluff for cash immoral? Charging $10 a gallon for gas during a natural disaster is immoral and illegal. If the average every day market supports the service offered at the price requested then how is that immoral?? Say it with me, profits are NOT evil. They are the reason you have games to play in the first place.
The point being they should be making the cash in the base price of the product. If they feel their game has 80 dollars or 100 dollars worth of content then charge 80 to 100 dollars. The main problem is the intrusion of real life in the game and trying to nickle and dime people. It seems today that people feel it's OK to try and milk every penny they can get out of other people. To me trying to get people to spend their money in a cash shop should be illegal.
Yup. And if you don't want to buy it, don't. It's your own fault that you have so little self control that it bothers you that you can't have all this pointless exclusive garbage that games put up for sale. Don't like it? Don't buy it. [mod edit]
As I said in the previous point I don't buy items in game. I feel I have some valid points against this type of transaction in games. It's not whining to say something against that which you believe is wrong. [mod edit]
My whole argument was that I feel it's wrong because it intrudes on the game experience because it deals with buying things for real money. When you buy a game it should include all the pieces.
I never said that I wanted the items or would buy them. I just said from a moral stand point they should be included in the based price so that they don't intrude on the game experience and people aren't nickled and dimed to death. People seem so happy to stick up for micro transactions today. I guess a lot of people are happy to waste their money and have money intrude upon their game experience.
You really aren't understanding what they are saying to you. It is Your opinion that it is wrong.. and it is Your opinion that it intrudes. Plz don't demean other ppl.
My whole argument was that I feel it's wrong because it intrudes on the game experience because it deals with buying things for real money. When you buy a game it should include all the pieces.
I never said that I wanted the items or would buy them. I just said from a moral stand point they should be included in the based price so that they don't intrude on the game experience and people aren't nickled and dimed to death. People seem so happy to stick up for micro transactions today. I guess a lot of people are happy to waste their money and have money intrude upon their game experience.
You really aren't understanding what they are saying to you. It is Your opinion that it is wrong.. and it is Your opinion that it intrudes. Plz don't demean other ppl.
I guess I'm the one demeaning other people. I'm trying to stick up for people and make them realize micro transactions are bad for everyone and is wasting their money. I guess I should just be silent and let them all do what they want with their money. Many people in this thread were taking stabs at me. First saying I was a high school drop out or college student with load of time on my hands. Then they say I'm greedy/entitled, but they are not entitled wanting to be able to buy their way through a game. Perhaps one should look in the mirror before judging another. I wouldn't have been demeaning in that one or two posts if the other posters had not been to me.
Nickle and dime everything, curious to see what the next "catch" will be.
Exclusive races / classes
No one to blame but the gamers who pay for it.
The real problem here is the people who have little to no self control and "need" to buy this.
Gamers have become the biggest detriment to the industry.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
As I said in the previous point I don't buy items in game. I feel I have some valid points against this type of transaction in games. It's not whining to say something against that which you believe is wrong. Regardless of if other people are too stupid to care.
Just because ppl don't agree with you, it doesn't make them stupid.... Are you stupid for not understanding people have differing opinions?
People are stupid. It's why they go and buy McDonalds even though they know it's bad for them. Yes I am also stupid because I do stupid things all the time. Probably my stupidest thing is playing games at all and yet I still love it. Probably like a smoker loves to smoke. Some things are pretty obviously just a money suck.
My whole argument was that I feel it's wrong because it intrudes on the game experience because it deals with buying things for real money. When you buy a game it should include all the pieces.
I never said that I wanted the items or would buy them. I just said from a moral stand point they should be included in the based price so that they don't intrude on the game experience and people aren't nickled and dimed to death. People seem so happy to stick up for micro transactions today. I guess a lot of people are happy to waste their money and have money intrude upon their game experience.
You really aren't understanding what they are saying to you. It is Your opinion that it is wrong.. and it is Your opinion that it intrudes. Plz don't demean other ppl.
I guess I'm the one demeaning other people. I'm trying to stick up for people and make them realize micro transactions are bad for everyone and is wasting their money. I guess I should just be silent and let them all do what they want with their money. Many people in this thread were taking stabs at me. First saying I was a high school drop out or college student with load of time on my hands. Then they say I'm greedy/entitled, but they are not entitled wanting to be able to buy their way through a game. Perhaps one should look in the mirror before judging another. I wouldn't have been demeaning in that one or two posts if the other posters had not been to me.
No, you're not sticking up for anyone but yourself. You think that because something is out there, you ought to have it, whether other people had to buy it or not. What difference does it make to you if someone else buys their way through a game if they want? How does that harm you in any way, shape or form? You say you're not entitled, yet you think that you ought to have things, just because they are available, even if you're not willing to pay for them or to jump through whatever hoops there are, just because you want them. That is the very definition of being entitlement-happy! If the thing is available for a fee, or to those who attend an event and you choose not to pay the fee or attend the event, where in the world do you get the idea that you deserve to have those things? Just because you want them? Too bad!
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.
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welcome to the real world kid.
Do you get mad when you go to a restaurant and someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine?
I still think it's a bad mechanic. It's good for the developers, but it's not good for the consumer. Games are a form of escapism like other entertainment. Eating food is not. You eat food to survive. In a game you don't want reality "real money" intruding on you. That is why you are playing the game in the first place. We have enough people who want to show off their new cars or whatever else they buy in real life to feel like they have a big epeen. The same doesn't need to intrude on games.
So? There is no law saying that devs have to do everything that is good for consumers. You can always choose not to play.
I thought the whole point was to discuss the issue. To me this sounds like you found a valid reason not to have these charges, but who cares. Lets ignore it because the devs can do what they want. If more people feel they are being cheated in some fashion then the more people who wont fund these silly mechanics designed to milk people of every cent they can. My hope is people would stop spending money on stupid stuff or the game companies might actually think about more then just making money, but to make money in a way that is not immoral. Generally I don't play free to play games, but if I do I don't buy items. I also don't buy items in pay to play games. I'm not going to when I play the elder scrolls online.
No you don't drink a 100 dollar bottle of wine to survive. Gaming is entering the real work and i welcome it. No more will college students and high school drop-outs with a monopoly of free time roll over everyone else.
Now I can buy epics and roll over them.
If I spend the money to fly out to some convention and take part why shouldn't I get some stupid little cosmetic thing in game to show I was there. It's a nice gesture by the company to reward it's fans. How shitty that some spoiled brat turns that into something bad because they couldn't or wouldn't do it and seeing someone with something they don't have makes them upset.
Exactly what is wrong with both society and MMOs today. This is your typical MMO customer. Welcome to the sad future.
The only game that provided exclusive content that I didn't mind was City of heroes. Basically I just got a prestige sprint power. It didn't change much. I didn't look radically different. It was fairly subtle yet cool to me.
With all these other games its actually quite annoying. Then again, I haven't been playing MMO's for sometime now as all the challenge was removed.
And we are discussing the issue .. where of the discussion is devs can do what they want, and your resource is not to spend any money on them.
Which you are already doing.
It is not sad if you are a devs rolling in whale money.
How is it not good for the consumer? It's certainly good for the consumers who take the extra time and put in the extra effort to get these exclusives. What you're complaining about is that *YOU* are too lazy or too poor or too whatever to get them and therefore, it's just not fair.
Nobody said life was fair. Get over it.
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Then don't do it. That solved your problem. Your problem is that you want the items, you just don't want to pay for them. Too bad. They are available to you the same way they are available to everyone else. Some people choose to buy, some people do not. The ones that buy get, the ones that do not, don't. This isn't unfair at all. It's like the people who buy a 2014 Mercedes Benz E-63 AMG get one and people who only buy a Nissan Versa only get one of those. It's not unfair that everyone doesn't get the Merc.
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Such time and effort for 20 extra bucks for an exclusive edition, must have taken you blood, sweat and tears right? You earned that content for sure!
But to take your restaurant example,
I don't get mad when someone else pops a 100 dollar bottle of wine, heck I'll order one myself. Fine wine is something you should pay for.
I do get mad when the restaurant charges me for tap water, I consider that basic hospitality, which should be part of the meal I'm already paying for, and if a restaurant is incapable of giving me that I'll take my patronage elsewhere.
I'm not against all exclusive content, but in subscription MMOs I am very much against a lot of it, especially things like races. I consider that part of the subscription I'm already paying and basic hospitality of the company towards their customers. If they're incapable of providing that then I'll also take my patronage elsewhere.
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I don't buy it. Not because I can't afford it, but because I'm not dumb enough to buy a virtual item that doesn't exist other then a few pieces of data on a screen. I've already stated why I feel this selling items in game is wrong and it has nothing to do with having or not having money for said item.
I just thought up some more retort for your rebuttal. You are buying a fancy car that someone else can't afford. That's fine because it doesn't affect anyone else around you. You drive your fancy car to work and someone else drives their Honda. It doesn't have an impact on anyone but yourself.
On the flip side we have a game. A game that is played by a massive amount of people. The people already payed to play the game. The key here is they payed to "play the game". They did not pay for a pieces of artwork with the intention getting more pieces of artwork in an auction house at a later date.
Perhaps one day you will have enough money to pay a football team off. Then they will allow you to play as their lead striker. You can then pay for a fancy jersey, to have a fancy special jersey, and to have the defenders allow you to score dribble around them and score goals against them. Maybe then you will feel proud of yourself.
Ok wait. Immoral? How is offering fluff for cash immoral? Charging $10 a gallon for gas during a natural disaster is immoral and illegal. If the average every day market supports the service offered at the price requested then how is that immoral?? Say it with me, profits are NOT evil. They are the reason you have games to play in the first place.
In your opinion.
Obviously it is not "wrong" in the eyes of the devs of are using such systems, and not "wrong" for many who actually purchase such virtual items.
So again, you are saying you don't like it ... we get that.
You have no way to stop it, so your only recourse is not to buy any virtual item. And of course you can rant about it on internet forums too. However, i doubt if that is going to have any effects .. and even if there is some effect, it is going to be a lot weaker than the "cha-ching" developers hear from the $$$ they get from whales.
The point being they should be making the cash in the base price of the product. If they feel their game has 80 dollars or 100 dollars worth of content then charge 80 to 100 dollars. The main problem is the intrusion of real life in the game and trying to nickle and dime people. It seems today that people feel it's OK to try and milk every penny they can get out of other people. To me trying to get people to spend their money in a cash shop should be illegal.
Yup. And if you don't want to buy it, don't. It's your own fault that you have so little self control that it bothers you that you can't have all this pointless exclusive garbage that games put up for sale. Don't like it? Don't buy it. [mod edit]
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My whole argument was that I feel it's wrong because it intrudes on the game experience because it deals with buying things for real money. When you buy a game it should include all the pieces.
I never said that I wanted the items or would buy them. I just said from a moral stand point they should be included in the based price so that they don't intrude on the game experience and people aren't nickled and dimed to death. People seem so happy to stick up for micro transactions today. I guess a lot of people are happy to waste their money and have money intrude upon their game experience.
As I said in the previous point I don't buy items in game. I feel I have some valid points against this type of transaction in games. It's not whining to say something against that which you believe is wrong. [mod edit]
You really aren't understanding what they are saying to you. It is Your opinion that it is wrong.. and it is Your opinion that it intrudes. Plz don't demean other ppl.
I guess I'm the one demeaning other people. I'm trying to stick up for people and make them realize micro transactions are bad for everyone and is wasting their money. I guess I should just be silent and let them all do what they want with their money. Many people in this thread were taking stabs at me. First saying I was a high school drop out or college student with load of time on my hands. Then they say I'm greedy/entitled, but they are not entitled wanting to be able to buy their way through a game. Perhaps one should look in the mirror before judging another. I wouldn't have been demeaning in that one or two posts if the other posters had not been to me.
No one to blame but the gamers who pay for it.
The real problem here is the people who have little to no self control and "need" to buy this.
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People are stupid. It's why they go and buy McDonalds even though they know it's bad for them. Yes I am also stupid because I do stupid things all the time. Probably my stupidest thing is playing games at all and yet I still love it. Probably like a smoker loves to smoke. Some things are pretty obviously just a money suck.
No, you're not sticking up for anyone but yourself. You think that because something is out there, you ought to have it, whether other people had to buy it or not. What difference does it make to you if someone else buys their way through a game if they want? How does that harm you in any way, shape or form? You say you're not entitled, yet you think that you ought to have things, just because they are available, even if you're not willing to pay for them or to jump through whatever hoops there are, just because you want them. That is the very definition of being entitlement-happy! If the thing is available for a fee, or to those who attend an event and you choose not to pay the fee or attend the event, where in the world do you get the idea that you deserve to have those things? Just because you want them? Too bad!
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.
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