if the item has no actual effect on game play or rather dose not give a advantage in anyway or form be it in PvP/ or PvE then im fine with it, in fact im very found of it, rare pets that you can only get once during a in game events, stuff from going to cons all that stuff is just fun for people who like to collect stuff like me and bragginf rights, im not as found when its a straight buy from shop thing, but if its something you get for being part of a limited time event or something of that nature im all for it.
on the other hand
things that actully affect game play no matter how small or big im aginst, it stops makeing it a fun collects bragging right and turns it in to a unfair advantage because anyone who wasnt in game or playinng the game at the time will never get the chance to get the same advantage, and dont evne get me strted on if it something you gt from a cash shop ( and yes i count exp boost and the like amongst these).
so thats my opinion agree or dont agree with it. it is what it is.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
I 100% agree.
All items should be 100% obtainable through in-game effort.
Seriously there a lot more things in this world to complain about other than something so trivial as gaming. The fact that gamers think EA are the worst company in America tells me all i need to know about their mentality. Get out more people!!
Originally posted by nerovipus32 Seriously there a lot more things in this world to complain about other than something so trivial as gaming. The fact that gamers think EA are the worst company in America tells me all i need to know about their mentality. Get out more people!!
saying that in these forums especilly with your post count seems a bit hypacritical to me.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
And that's a good reason why I prefer P2P and everyone has equal opportunity within the game. It is worth it for me to pay a monthly fee for a game like that rather than some rich guy in RL dominating the game too just because he can afford P2W.
I'm afraid the ship has sailed though. Now that publishers have learned they can make money out of cash shops it is too late to put the genie back in the bottle and go back to games being a level playing field except for skill and time. i guess we have to be grateful to the games that "just" sell cosmetic items rather than total P2W.
What I think is interesting is how the OP makes a thread then never responds...probably sitting back and watching the community react. Most likely doesn't believe a word of what he wrote just wanted to start something.
The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Very very well said . Yeah I used to play an MMO properly but now I just play as it is the genre I wan't to play and I'm niche sadly. Sci-fi only mostly but yeah even I don't use real money on the freemium game I play , but the whole thing is diluted with "real money , the highest earner will win , so yeah but I just get on with it . I basically don't spend real money apart from my sub , but am I been mean by not spending extra ?
Everyone on equall footing was the best part of the MMORPG genre but sadly it has gone , maybe the games that are trying the P2P model will do well , I hope they do , but some have cash shops too and offer this that and the other advantage in game for buying. O dear o well it isn't looking to bright for a pure online MMO or multi-player whatsitcalled game.
Bit doomy that o well , I "say what I see"
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And that's a good reason why I prefer P2P and everyone has equal opportunity within the game.
Everyone has equal opportunity in a p2w game. Your dollar is as mighty as mine. Equal opportunity is not an argument against p2w .. you can argue you don't like it ... which is your prerogative.
I understand that gaming is a business, but I am so tired of exclusive content, and really drives me back from MMO's especially ones what maybe i will like to play.
- WoW - exclusive collectors stuff and events like blizzcon and all no more unbtinable items, mounts, pets, tittle.
- SWTOR - huge amount of exclusive items
- GW2 - i guess they got some including "digital collectors" ha
- the list can continue, i am to disgusted to research or write more
and now I've seen ESO exclusive imperials??? Ahaha..
Now, if some one want to say, "this don't matter, just play the game", I will ask him nicely to STFU, because, we (MMO or not) - RPG player play for those things, we like to collect stuff, that one of the reason why we play RPG games in general.
State of current mmo gaming = big failure, and running after money only. Disgusting.
I 100% agree.
All items should be 100% obtainable through in-game effort.
Why?
Because these types of items generate anger and frustration for many. If the devs didn't offer them at all, no player would be upset.
The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Originally posted by AlBQuirky The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
I knew I should have addressed F2P...
Of course F2P is whole different animal. It is set up from the get-go as a financial separatist endeavor. Those with cash, and the desire to spend it, will buy their way to the end game. Other players that either do not feel the need, or simply can not, won't.
I hope that cleared things up for ya...
[EDIT] Is there a F2P title (that released F2P) that sells collector's editions or exclusive items?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
I knew I should have addressed F2P...
Of course F2P is whole different animal. It is set up from the get-go as a financial separatist endeavor. Those with cash, and the desire to spend it, will buy their way to the end game. Other players that either do not feel the need, or simply can not, won't.
I hope that cleared things up for ya...
[EDIT] Is there a F2P title (that released F2P) that sells collector's editions or exclusive items?
Originally posted by AlBQuirky The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
I knew I should have addressed F2P...Of course F2P is whole different animal. It is set up from the get-go as a financial separatist endeavor. Those with cash, and the desire to spend it, will buy their way to the end game. Other players that either do not feel the need, or simply can not, won't.I hope that cleared things up for ya...[EDIT] Is there a F2P title (that released F2P) that sells collector's editions or exclusive items?
Neverwinter does.
Just curious, what kinds of items? I know some games offer "seasonal" items in their cash shops. I know some game will pack on "special items" to time cards bought at certain stores. (Wiazrds101 is famous for this tactic.) Is that what you're talking about? Or is it different from these?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Originally posted by AlBQuirky The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
I knew I should have addressed F2P...
Of course F2P is whole different animal. It is set up from the get-go as a financial separatist endeavor. Those with cash, and the desire to spend it, will buy their way to the end game. Other players that either do not feel the need, or simply can not, won't.
I hope that cleared things up for ya...
[EDIT] Is there a F2P title (that released F2P) that sells collector's editions or exclusive items?
Neverwinter does.
Just curious, what kinds of items? I know some games offer "seasonal" items in their cash shops. I know some game will pack on "special items" to time cards bought at certain stores. (Wiazrds101 is famous for this tactic.) Is that what you're talking about? Or is it different from these?
Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.
Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.
So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.
Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.
So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
im a bit confussed on the word "Exclusive " here, are you talking about things you cna onlly gt by paying rel cash for them or thing that are avilable for a limited time only and after that timne you cant ever get them agian.
i say this cause i fill there are two difrent disscussions going on in this threadd.
also i fail to see how any of the mounts in the cash shop are mor costly then $199 that a pretty steep price for a digital item, heck WoW expansions dont cost that much and look at the diffrence in scale of what ya get, those founder pack where rip off.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.
Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.
So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
im a bit confussed on the word "Exclusive " here, are you talking about things you cna onlly gt by paying rel cash for them or thing that are avilable for a limited time only and after that timne you cant ever get them agian.
i say this cause i fill there are two difrent disscussions going on in this threadd.
also i fail to see how any of the mounts in the cash shop are mor costly then $199 that a pretty steep price for a digital item, heck WoW expansions dont cost that much and look at the diffrence in scale of what ya get, those founder pack where rip off.
In this case, exclusive applies to things that can only be bought for real cash. Other cases though are things that can be acquired only during a limited time doing a specific event, or buying during a limited time frame. The founders packs originally fell on to the second category but eh. They decided who cares what the people who supported them think.
It's kind of like, don't half ass the exclusives/public items. If you're going to make it exclusive, then just have it as exclusive. If you're going to make it public, then just make it public. Don't advertise an item as public and make it exclusive nor take an exclusive item and make it public. I'm fine with exclusive items because those are what marks the dedication and collectors of a game. I'm not fine when you flip flop on what status you want on the item after already releasing it.
The whole thing about "Exclusive" content is a minefield.
The question is how much your looks and stats should depend on luck, in game achievement and how much money you put into the game.
I think most people agree that buying good stats is bad but cosmetic items are a lot harder. I am somewhat divided myself since I do know that games do need to earn money even if it annoys me that real world cash affects you in the game.
I can live with B2P/F2P games selling bankslots, extra bag space and cosmetic skins, I don't like it but I can live with it. Games that sells stuff with stats or both have a monthly fee and an itemshop is another matter and I wont play them.
And that's a good reason why I prefer P2P and everyone has equal opportunity within the game.
Everyone has equal opportunity in a p2w game. Your dollar is as mighty as mine. Equal opportunity is not an argument against p2w .. you can argue you don't like it ... which is your prerogative.
But it is as fair as opportunities costing time.
yeah because everyone has the same amount of money, amirite?
And that's a good reason why I prefer P2P and everyone has equal opportunity within the game.
Everyone has equal opportunity in a p2w game. Your dollar is as mighty as mine. Equal opportunity is not an argument against p2w .. you can argue you don't like it ... which is your prerogative.
But it is as fair as opportunities costing time.
yeah because everyone has the same amount of money, amirite?
ROFLMAO
i agree with the sarcasm here, i mean if we could all aford the P2W prices then the people who take advantage of them would be complaining that they dont fill more powerfull then others.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.
Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.
So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
im a bit confussed on the word "Exclusive " here, are you talking about things you cna onlly gt by paying rel cash for them or thing that are avilable for a limited time only and after that timne you cant ever get them agian.
i say this cause i fill there are two difrent disscussions going on in this threadd.
also i fail to see how any of the mounts in the cash shop are mor costly then $199 that a pretty steep price for a digital item, heck WoW expansions dont cost that much and look at the diffrence in scale of what ya get, those founder pack where rip off.
In this case, exclusive applies to things that can only be bought for real cash. Other cases though are things that can be acquired only during a limited time doing a specific event, or buying during a limited time frame. The founders packs originally fell on to the second category but eh. They decided who cares what the people who supported them think.
It's kind of like, don't half ass the exclusives/public items. If you're going to make it exclusive, then just have it as exclusive. If you're going to make it public, then just make it public. Don't advertise an item as public and make it exclusive nor take an exclusive item and make it public. I'm fine with exclusive items because those are what marks the dedication and collectors of a game. I'm not fine when you flip flop on what status you want on the item after already releasing it.
ok that makes ence and is more of what i was thinking with the word exclusive but, if this is point to item you by with cash shouldnt we be useing a diffrent term since they really arnt exclusive at all then, at least by the deffinition of it.
its just a paywall at this point.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
i agree with the sarcasm here, i mean if we could all aford the P2W prices then the people who take advantage of them would be complaining that they dont fill more powerfull then others.
I don't think "afford" is the core of the problem here.
In my own case I enjoy improving my character and if I just could buy a character with full gear I would tire of the game in a day no matter how great it is.
I just don't see the point of playing in the long run if putting real money into the game is the purpose of the game, the is no challenge in that.
But you are surely right that the people who do enjoy beating up other players with bought gear probably prefer that the gear is so expensive that just a select few can afford it, the question is just why the majority of the players would bother to play.
Originally posted by Wankyudo Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
HOLY CRAP! Really?
I knew there was a reason I did not play NW for long...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
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i agree and disagree
if the item has no actual effect on game play or rather dose not give a advantage in anyway or form be it in PvP/ or PvE then im fine with it, in fact im very found of it, rare pets that you can only get once during a in game events, stuff from going to cons all that stuff is just fun for people who like to collect stuff like me and bragginf rights, im not as found when its a straight buy from shop thing, but if its something you get for being part of a limited time event or something of that nature im all for it.
on the other hand
things that actully affect game play no matter how small or big im aginst, it stops makeing it a fun collects bragging right and turns it in to a unfair advantage because anyone who wasnt in game or playinng the game at the time will never get the chance to get the same advantage, and dont evne get me strted on if it something you gt from a cash shop ( and yes i count exp boost and the like amongst these).
so thats my opinion agree or dont agree with it. it is what it is.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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saying that in these forums especilly with your post count seems a bit hypacritical to me.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
The thing that "bugs me" about exclusive content is that one of the things I'm trying to get away from in the "real world" is the financial disparity people face everyday. Exclusive content brings this very thing to the forefront.
Now, for those thinking that I have no money, I do have money. Just not gobs and gobs, where I feel throwing away 100's or even 1000's on my gaming hobby is something I want to do. It seems that players used to "greasing palms" for advantages in real life appear to flock to the same practice in video games.
When I boot up a multi-player video game, I want everyone to be on the same financial footing, not buying "extras" with their real world cash. I pretty much feel the same way about the "gaming equipment" many gamers buy to "help them be better gamers." If an interface sucks, it should suck for all players equally. It is a virtual world (sometimes). Enjoy it for what it is instead of trying to bring your real world financial success into it.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Assuming you are talking about a F2P games here, how do you expect the company to make money or are you suggesting that they should make games for charity.
That is the down side of everything going toward F2P. You see a more equal financial footing in P2P games, but obviously F2P games have to offer advantages for money.
And that's a good reason why I prefer P2P and everyone has equal opportunity within the game. It is worth it for me to pay a monthly fee for a game like that rather than some rich guy in RL dominating the game too just because he can afford P2W.
I'm afraid the ship has sailed though. Now that publishers have learned they can make money out of cash shops it is too late to put the genie back in the bottle and go back to games being a level playing field except for skill and time. i guess we have to be grateful to the games that "just" sell cosmetic items rather than total P2W.
What I think is interesting is how the OP makes a thread then never responds...probably sitting back and watching the community react. Most likely doesn't believe a word of what he wrote just wanted to start something.
Way to feed the trolls.
Very very well said . Yeah I used to play an MMO properly but now I just play as it is the genre I wan't to play and I'm niche sadly. Sci-fi only mostly but yeah even I don't use real money on the freemium game I play , but the whole thing is diluted with "real money , the highest earner will win , so yeah but I just get on with it . I basically don't spend real money apart from my sub , but am I been mean by not spending extra ?
Everyone on equall footing was the best part of the MMORPG genre but sadly it has gone , maybe the games that are trying the P2P model will do well , I hope they do , but some have cash shops too and offer this that and the other advantage in game for buying. O dear o well it isn't looking to bright for a pure online MMO or multi-player whatsitcalled game.
Bit doomy that o well , I "say what I see"
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Everyone has equal opportunity in a p2w game. Your dollar is as mighty as mine. Equal opportunity is not an argument against p2w .. you can argue you don't like it ... which is your prerogative.
But it is as fair as opportunities costing time.
Because these types of items generate anger and frustration for many. If the devs didn't offer them at all, no player would be upset.
This is exactly what I wanted to say.
Of course F2P is whole different animal. It is set up from the get-go as a financial separatist endeavor. Those with cash, and the desire to spend it, will buy their way to the end game. Other players that either do not feel the need, or simply can not, won't.
I hope that cleared things up for ya...
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Is there a F2P title (that released F2P) that sells collector's editions or exclusive items?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Neverwinter does.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Heroes of the North, $199.99 : Exclusive panther pet, Armored Spider mount, A specific drow skin, 2 mil Astral diamonds (ingame currency.) Thing is, the Armored Spider mount is a max speed mount whereas other people have to either buy the epic level mounts from the cash shop, auction house for exorbitant prices, or upgrade a mount also through exorbitant prices.
Knights of the Feywild Pack: Moon Elf race, Unicorn, Some kind of pet, 600k Astral Diamonds.
So yeah, not exactly just seasonal things. In fact, the Heroes of the North pack was originally one of the "founders packs," preorder packs which after they realized got them a good amount of money...removed founders from the name and just kept it on there.
im a bit confussed on the word "Exclusive " here, are you talking about things you cna onlly gt by paying rel cash for them or thing that are avilable for a limited time only and after that timne you cant ever get them agian.
i say this cause i fill there are two difrent disscussions going on in this threadd.
also i fail to see how any of the mounts in the cash shop are mor costly then $199 that a pretty steep price for a digital item, heck WoW expansions dont cost that much and look at the diffrence in scale of what ya get, those founder pack where rip off.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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In this case, exclusive applies to things that can only be bought for real cash. Other cases though are things that can be acquired only during a limited time doing a specific event, or buying during a limited time frame. The founders packs originally fell on to the second category but eh. They decided who cares what the people who supported them think.
It's kind of like, don't half ass the exclusives/public items. If you're going to make it exclusive, then just have it as exclusive. If you're going to make it public, then just make it public. Don't advertise an item as public and make it exclusive nor take an exclusive item and make it public. I'm fine with exclusive items because those are what marks the dedication and collectors of a game. I'm not fine when you flip flop on what status you want on the item after already releasing it.
The whole thing about "Exclusive" content is a minefield.
The question is how much your looks and stats should depend on luck, in game achievement and how much money you put into the game.
I think most people agree that buying good stats is bad but cosmetic items are a lot harder. I am somewhat divided myself since I do know that games do need to earn money even if it annoys me that real world cash affects you in the game.
I can live with B2P/F2P games selling bankslots, extra bag space and cosmetic skins, I don't like it but I can live with it. Games that sells stuff with stats or both have a monthly fee and an itemshop is another matter and I wont play them.
yeah because everyone has the same amount of money, amirite?
ROFLMAO
i agree with the sarcasm here, i mean if we could all aford the P2W prices then the people who take advantage of them would be complaining that they dont fill more powerfull then others.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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ok that makes ence and is more of what i was thinking with the word exclusive but, if this is point to item you by with cash shouldnt we be useing a diffrent term since they really arnt exclusive at all then, at least by the deffinition of it.
its just a paywall at this point.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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I don't think "afford" is the core of the problem here.
In my own case I enjoy improving my character and if I just could buy a character with full gear I would tire of the game in a day no matter how great it is.
I just don't see the point of playing in the long run if putting real money into the game is the purpose of the game, the is no challenge in that.
But you are surely right that the people who do enjoy beating up other players with bought gear probably prefer that the gear is so expensive that just a select few can afford it, the question is just why the majority of the players would bother to play.
I knew there was a reason I did not play NW for long...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR