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Huge updates promised every 4 to 6 weeks

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-defends-subscription-fee-with-regular-significant-content/1100-6418221/

Now if they deliver or not is another thing, however due to recent changes from player feed backs, I can see they are trying hard. Good content updates so the only thing that keep games alive after the initial shine wears off, let's wish them luck and hope they keep to their words.

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  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

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  • kayze68kayze68 Member Posts: 34
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

    I found GW2 had great content updates, if not the best. Many people still play it, I however prefer some kind of vertical progression instead of pure horizontal progression. But you can't deny no other games rolled out content like GW2 does.

  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380

    This will most likely last anywhere from 6 to 18 months depending on whether the game suffers a gradual die-off or straight up TORtanics.  I've seen so many games come along promising constant and timely content updates.  Some make their first couple of regular updates, but when subs fall off and and the next hot game comes along, all those promises dry up.

    Developers don't come cheap and they tend to be some of the first employees to be let go when the coin purse stops jingling with change.  The Devs that are kept on are usually of the life support variety who can push out just enough content to douse the torches and lower the pitchforks of the die hard fan boys.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Where have we heard this before? Oh yeah, every new MMO launch... When the sub's go, so will the updates.
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916

    Pete Hines said they want to go for "significant" updates, not "huge". There's a difference.

     

    Can they keep it up ? I've always preferred quality over quantity, so I'm happy waiting longer for fewer things than being showered with shallow junk every 4 weeks because they "have to deliver at all costs".

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  • jusomdudejusomdude Member RarePosts: 2,706
    Well I'll believe this when I see it. IMO right now it just seems like a line to get more boxes sold.
  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

    First 3 months will be ballancing, improving and some smaller updates.. Adn preparing for  console launch... if they dont have anythign laying on the shelves i dont really see and update comming before August, which is fine as there is more then enough content to keep everyone busy till then...  

    And then pushing a new regular zone every 2 months and a new Adventure zones every month... Including a new skilltree  atleast every 2 months..

     

    I think that would keep everyone happy.....  a new zone and an adventure zone in the odd months, and a new adventure zone and a new skilltree in the even months..

     

    Do you think they are ready for that much content?

     

     

    Because seriously, what every developer has been pushing till now is just a joke...Including GW2..

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  • timidobservertimidobserver Member UncommonPosts: 246
    Originally posted by kayze68

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-defends-subscription-fee-with-regular-significant-content/1100-6418221/

    Now if they deliver or not is another thing, however due to recent changes from player feed backs, I can see they are trying hard. Good content updates so the only thing that keep games alive after the initial shine wears off, let's wish them luck and hope they keep to their words.

    6 weeks is a lot more realistic and could allow for some decent updates as opposed to the GW2 2 week model. 

    I always feel like a 3-4 extra weeks and better writers would make most living story updates palatable. The other issue with GW2 updates is that they are Cash Shop driven temporary content to get people to buy the new "rare" cash shop item, and ESO won't have that issue. 

    Also, ESO is not as cosmetics centric as GW2. So, the updates will likely have something for people that aren't cosmetics carebears, which is a major turn off to GW2 updates. ESO will have actual things like skill lines and permanent content added.

    Bottom line, it could be better or worse than GW2's system, but I don't see it being remotely similar. 

     

  • muffins89muffins89 Member UncommonPosts: 1,585

    they started working on those updates about a year ago. so it's possible.

  • jdnycjdnyc Member UncommonPosts: 1,643

    Heard this before.  Would love if it was true, but very skeptical on this one.  We'll see.

     

  • tyfontyfon Member UncommonPosts: 240

    LOL

    Poor devs they don't know what they just did with this promise.

     

    Either they have withheld a lot of content from launch and will release it as "content updates" and will run out in a bit.

    Or they have a 100+ man team cranking out content in parallel.

    Or they are in for a big surprise when they find out you just can't make content in 4 weeks with one pipeline.

     

    If they do the middle option then I wish them good luck.

    If not they are setting them self up as targets for some major nerd rage when the first patch miss by a week or so, or does not have enough content to satisfy the hordes.

  • skyline385skyline385 Member Posts: 564
    SWTOR followed a good 6-8 weeks content updates schedule throughout 2013 so i think ESO can do it as well since the game looks solid from the Betas so far and a lot of people are impressed with it hence giving way to a decent sub numbers.

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  • KnotwoodKnotwood Member CommonPosts: 1,103
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

    Which is why it should have been a sub if it wanted high quality updates like ESO is going to have.

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

    Which is why it should have been a sub if it wanted high quality updates like ESO is going to have.

    P2P or not, NO MMO company can put out meaningful ACTUAL content every 4 to 6 weeks. For a prolonged period of time. The BEST they can hope for is have all this content already made and churn it out every 4 to 6 weeks, and continue making more but they will run out very fast. It just is not feasible.

     

    How many times are you gonna let yourself be swayed by fucking marketing one liners that are too good to be true.

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  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    Originally posted by kayze68
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

    I found GW2 had great content updates, if not the best. Many people still play it, I however prefer some kind of vertical progression instead of pure horizontal progression. But you can't deny no other games rolled out content like GW2 does.

    GW2 did not roll out content. GW2's living story bullshit was the equivalent of a fucking holiday quest chain added to the game that doesn't do anything meaningful. Pretty sure 90% of the people still playing GW2 would rather have actual content like new dungeons, another wvw map, some actual CONTENT [mod edit]

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  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Given their last patch notes I am inclined to believe this. The developers seem to be taking player feedback very seriously so I think they are probably going all in with ESO with reguard to making it a serious threat to WoW.
  • GamerDan79GamerDan79 Member Posts: 39
    Originally posted by kayze68

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-defends-subscription-fee-with-regular-significant-content/1100-6418221/

    Now if they deliver or not is another thing, however due to recent changes from player feed backs, I can see they are trying hard. Good content updates so the only thing that keep games alive after the initial shine wears off, let's wish them luck and hope they keep to their words.

     

    I'm going to go with "not".

     

    Once the initial churn is over. mmorpgs historically have around a 30% retention subscriber rate. They also tend to cut a lot of staff as you don't need nearly as many staff to maintain a game as you do to create it.

     

    With the above factors in mind, you will more likely see regular updates ala GW2 and SWTOR....so not very big updates with generic ho hum content every 2-3 months. Expect dailies to be the main PvE activity in six months time.

     

     

  • KujuKuju Member UncommonPosts: 51
    I'm not a big fan of this.. why even put yourself in this position. Focus on making a quality product and put it out to the customer when it's ready, not trying to meet a deadline every month or so. GW2 does this and it just becomes a hit/miss scenario. We'll see what happens, but I hope they don't do it just for the sake of making that statement pre-launch, but rather when it's ready. If the product is good, the when it's ready approach will work just fine.  
  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    Originally posted by grndzro
    Given their last patch notes I am inclined to believe this. The developers seem to be taking player feedback very seriously so I think they are probably going all in with ESO with reguard to making it a serious threat to WoW.

    You just lost all credibility for actually thinking rational when you uttered the words "making it a serious threat to WoW"

     

    Get over yourself. Stop trying to transfer your hate over to the developers of a game.

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  • HrothaHrotha Member UncommonPosts: 821
    Originally posted by kayze68

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-defends-subscription-fee-with-regular-significant-content/1100-6418221/

    Now if they deliver or not is another thing, however due to recent changes from player feed backs, I can see they are trying hard. Good content updates so the only thing that keep games alive after the initial shine wears off, let's wish them luck and hope they keep to their words.

    What does the intelligent gamer say: We wait and see.

    This then would mean that huge updates are coming 1month after the release. Which then determines if we are gonna sub for the future.. or not.

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  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Member RarePosts: 1,701
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    When will you people learn. It's going to be meaningless and fall through just like GW2's living quest bullshit did.

    Which is why it should have been a sub if it wanted high quality updates like ESO is going to have.

    P2P or not, NO MMO company can put out meaningful ACTUAL content every 4 to 6 weeks. For a prolonged period of time. The BEST they can hope for is have all this content already made and churn it out every 4 to 6 weeks, and continue making more but they will run out very fast. It just is not feasible.

     

    How many times are you gonna let yourself be swayed by fucking marketing one liners that are too good to be true.

    See Asherons Call.

    14 years of monthly updates. and im not talking just bug fixes, they add quest, story, whole new schools of magic, so on and so on. every single month since 1999.

    not saying ESO will do this, infact i would bet the farm that they dont even come close. but just saying, it has been done.

    and its the ONLY game where i felt my monthly sub actually went to somthing.

     

    The only update your guaranteed in ESO to get, is the one that makes it free to play.

  • GamerDan79GamerDan79 Member Posts: 39
    Originally posted by tyfon

    LOL

    Poor devs they don't know what they just did with this promise.

     

    Either they have withheld a lot of content from launch and will release it as "content updates" and will run out in a bit.

    Or they have a 100+ man team cranking out content in parallel.

    Or they are in for a big surprise when they find out you just can't make content in 4 weeks with one pipeline.

     

    If they do the middle option then I wish them good luck.

    If not they are setting them self up as targets for some major nerd rage when the first patch miss by a week or so, or does not have enough content to satisfy the hordes.

     

    Agreed.

     

    I played SWTOR from early access and have seen it first hand.

     

    Players literally mark content like on a calendar basis and the day it slips past their perceived "6 weeks since the last update" there is outrage and nerds claiming they have been lied to and cheated and all sorts of drama...

     

    In order to ensure a content cycle in this sort of time frame players will have to accept that the content itself will reflect such a six week cycle. They should be ok for the first 6 months as I am sure they have held back lots and lots of launch content that they can claim is "new" upon release.

     

  • GamerDan79GamerDan79 Member Posts: 39
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    First 3 months will be ballancing, improving and some smaller updates.. Adn preparing for  console launch... if they dont have anythign laying on the shelves i dont really see and update comming before August, which is fine as there is more then enough content to keep everyone busy till then...  

    And then pushing a new regular zone every 2 months and a new Adventure zones every month... Including a new skilltree  atleast every 2 months..

     

    I think that would keep everyone happy.....  a new zone and an adventure zone in the odd months, and a new adventure zone and a new skilltree in the even months..

     

    Do you think they are ready for that much content?

     

     

    Because seriously, what every developer has been pushing till now is just a joke...Including GW2..

     

    "And then pushing a new regular zone every 2 months and a new Adventure zones every month... Including a new skilltree  atleast every 2 months.."

     

    Not sure if serious?

     

    Prepare to be hugely disappointed :(

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