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As much as I like ESO and plan to be a long term subscriber, I'm with this guy. I'll believe it when I see it. Who knows? Maybe they'll prove me wrong. I'll be happy if they do. I just doubt that they will.
No it's those you deemed "the haters" that come here turning the topic into just that. "All these other games failed and devs failed to keep promises so that will be the case here", that has become the overriding theme of this thread.
That becomes the real point because it isn't one single reason that this has happened. It's many contributing factors, that lead to the same thing (a change of plans). This is hardly acknowledged in these topics.
As for one side or the other. I expect anyone who's been here a while to realize both sides cause this over-dramatized BS, there's no one single guilty party here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes everyone who the guy i quoted labeled as doomsayer and hater. (when they simply believe in wait and see approach)
Are we done circle jerking here?
Guild Wars 2's updates were loved by many and hated by the same people who rushed to 80 without checking 90% of the world to complain the next day that they don't have anything to do.
Guild Wars 2 is starting a new season of the Living Story, with Anet understanding the issues of the first season improving them. If the first season proved something is that there is a company in the industry able to deliver 2-weeks-updates that kept people playing in a casual MMO that isn't even meant to be played long-term.
If Guild Wars 2 is failing and is dead like the haters in the thread say, then this whole MMO indsutry in trash since Gw2 is the leading MMO atm.
Oh look, the people that actually fall for this marketing hype and regurgitate it as fact seem to be in the minority in this thread.
Oh yes, that MUST make me a troll...I'm soooo busted.
I am no more vocal about my huge concerns for the last minute change in direction of this game than many of you are vocal about the opposite. The difference is I base my opinions on previous experience whereas many of the blind fanboys base their opinions on what the company selling the game tells them.
EDIT: I now know what a couple of you are referring to about having multiple accounts. I've checked this sites ToS and that is against the rules, it results in a ban for all accounts.
So how come my account has not been banned then days after it was created?
Could it be because it's my one and only account and always has been? Lol and you call people who concerns "conspiracy theorists"
WHat you are doing is stirring the pot and nothing more. You can't make a single statement without demeaning the other side.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Can you blame them? i don't. They have good reasons to be skeptical. Expereince and time is a good teacher and even i believe that devs have painted a bulls eye on their back by making such promises.
I find it surprising though that you know this happens a lot and yet you don't know which side on this issue turns out to be mostly right? like the other guy said the main point isn't what reasons lead to failure of fulfillment of these promises but that 'they failed' and that is all the ammo people need to prove the other side wrong.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Every MMORPG release in the last few years has made this promise and none of them have been able to truly follow through and keep it going. SWTOR? RIFT? TSW? GW2? None of them really lived up to the promises. The only game I can think of that has managed to keep ongoing content rolling out, aside from purchased expansions, is EVE online and it's the exception to the rule being a successful sub game and all.
Gw2 have been releasing an update every 2 weeks according to the promise. The fact that the content is story-based and temprorary while players wanted an expansion every 2 weeks, doesn't mean they didn't follow their promise.
If i were you i wouldn't go there.
Posting negative comments isn't against TOS of these forums as long as you simply don't make posts like 'this game sucks' or 'this game will fail'.
What you are doing is harassing him now for giving his opinions. For some one who himself has a fairly new account and 74 posts with majority of being in ESO forums you sure love to slag him off for his new account.
Seriously just stop.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Blame people for being skeptical? Not at all. I've been playing MMO's since 02, I've pretty much seen it all as far as the failures in this industry go. I know full well how easily these types of plans can change, I know how often they do not work out. SO I too am skeptical of such comments. Yet I feel no need to berate others over it, nor feel the need for colorful language in regard to it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually it is against the rules to sit in one section day after day bringing the same negative points up over and over again.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That's an important factor here as well. People do have to think hard about what this really means and includes, don't expect mini expansions every month.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am just pointing out the double standards here. You mentioned his new account earlier and you surely have problem with him posting a lot on ESO forums. When you yourself have a lot of posts in here and your account is also fairly new. Neither side has posted any links or facts to backup any claims.
One side has 'promises' of Devs to fall back upon and the other side has past experiances with devs and their big promises.
As far as for 'trying'. I do try so thanks for noticing that.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Has any developer ever actually done this? I'm mean sure, they have frequent updates and updates that relative to the competition are good, but are they ever what the developer says they will be when the game is getting ready to release?
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Ah, I see GW2 has had frequent updates, even if they are small or not what people expect per the schedule they said they would release things on.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
People like him feed off of what other haters post. He has no real clue as to content updates for the game.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Changes are being made in the industry. ie GW2 still retains almost all of it's staff. Hard times for everyone means changes in industry and how things are done. Why train and let experience go when there is a market for updates every couple weeks which keeps people employed and companies making money!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Wasnt much to look at and no i didn't find any links. Honestly, no one has posted any links so far other than 'because dev said so'. That is the whole point of argument here. Not everyone is eager to jump on the bandwagon and beleive in promises made...rather they would believe it when they see it and that is the most sensible approach one can have so that they don't get disappointed later on.
Promises are made to be broken.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
It's all in the tools folks
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/407168/Best-gear-will-be-looted-not-crafted.html
There you go, took me seconds to find, in fact I'll make it a little easier for you, direct feedback from a closed beta tester:
"Their statements internally to a guild leader were that they aren't targeting an MMO or ES audience but rather intend to make their own game vision. (Beats me what the hell they think they're targeting then with an MMORPG with an Elder Scrolls skin)."
"They also have in the latest patch (0.181) made anything but linear questing through the main zone questlines completely unviable for gaining XP or leveling. Grinding mobs with a partner has been nerfed into the ground with a poor XP split; PVP earnings of XP are orders of magnitude (literally) slower than grinding even; and they made exploration XP give virtually nothing too. So there goes any of the non-linearity the game had, too."
"Crafting has been nerfed significantly from being some of the most powerful gear in the game to some of the weakest top-level items you can equip. They have taken out any value to it except for making potions, when previously it was a strong game system.
Veteran Rank XP has also been nerfed so that you must do every single quest in the zones in order to even come close (and that isn't enough, believe it or not, to level you fully!) to getting to VR10. Same as normal XP in terms of now having no options. I guess they think people will grind out the rest? You currently will get to around VR6 and if lucky, 7, with the current build, and VR's 8, 9, and 10 take upwards of 9 million XP total to reach (for all 3 combined), while killing a monster gives around 100-200xp as does a player.
My pre-order has been cancelled, and will stay that way. The level of arrogance the developers there are displaying is off the charts, and they have no direction in mind for the game very obviously since they're reacting to blog posts in a knee-jerk manner, ignoring their core tester group and locking threads, barely responding in general over the last couple of months. Even if they fixed things, who's to say it won't just change and be gutted out like so many other things in a short time? Not worth my time, money, or effort anymore. The major issues now far outnumber and overshadow the major aspect that was good, Cyrodiil, and flaw it in some cases such as removing the addons that provided basic combat information for PVP. It's a completely reckless leadership that simply does not deserve my cash, and really anyone else's if you ask me. Go donate to Camelot Unchained if you want RvR. This game won't have it."
Brilliant.
another boring, buggy, unpolished LIVING STORY MODEL FROM GW2?
spending people working on those 4-6 week update and then you will have 1 expansion in....3 years.
its ok at first, but in long run its damage the content that player get.this is reason many people left gw2 for good.
Heck of a lot better than cookie cutter developers that stamp out a game world and pack up the team and leave. I would much rather have a dedicated staff listening and delivering new content every month or so then none at all.
If I'm going to invest my money into the game, they can invest time into my money.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
The first paragraph has been the trap that most sub based MMO dev's have fallen into over the last 10 years or so. If you spend all your time doing nothing but chasing bugs than you create a environment where you can't really show anything for those sub dollars people are giving you and they just cancel. A sub game can work in 2014 but it needs to have superb post launch support with consistent new content or people will drift away and it's a lot harder to get someone to resub in this market than it is to just hold onto the sub to begin with.
I really think the key is new content on a regular basis right from the start. I'm not sure we need a new zone every few months but new skill lines with quest trees or new features in PVP every month so that people feel like they always have new things to try makes justifying a sub a lot easier.
I still remember the tons of threads being opened everyday on those forums 2 years ago about how innovation is nowhere to be seen and therefore the companies are actual trash who don't know how to create good games.
Do you know why though? It is because the player-base, yes you, are trash. It is so simple to understand isn't it? The MMO player-base is consisted of those who cry when bad things gets introduced, staying silent when good stuff releasing. It is a community that punishes the companies innovating by blaming them for every mistake they do on every single forum they can find on the internet.
Innovation is about experiementing and therefore there would be good stuff but also bad stuff and the final results are gonna take a while to appear. ArenaNet tried the weekly updates while no other company actually had the guts to do it and now in response to the player-feedback and reactions are gonna change the model of the Living world, pushing it to a next step, fitting the player-needs.
It is so shameful to see people ''crying'' about Gw2's Living world when so many actually enjoyed it and the company promised to change the model to please the other ones who weren't happy, still we see people who only like to flame and trash-talk.
At alot of times, I literally feel ashamed to be part of the MMO gaming community and remember next time before posting, you are the reason why you don't get new MMOs fitting your needs, becasue your selfish ignorant view lead MMOs to ignore innovation focusing on the safe paths.
Good post entirely. The last sentence I feel isn't the entire MMO community, but mostly those in this site. For some reason it has become a huge spiraling mass, that has a gravitational pull towards the negative minded.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.