Guess WoW has been ready for B2P for years. Their slippery horse lead to.....more horses and pets....and and....horses and pets....so slippery. Well the slow slip and constant whining of 10 yeas has led us to paid 90's....that is one long slip of 10 years.
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Originally posted by Horusra Guess WoW has been ready for B2P for years. Their slippery horse lead to.....more horses and pets....and and....horses and pets....so slippery. Well the slow slip and constant whining of 10 yeas has led us to paid 90's....that is one long slip of 10 years.
WoW IS ready for B2P, but they aren't going to switch until subs drop to a level where B2P will net more money.
I'm more curious how many people that were adamant that ESO would not have a cash shop will now come here to justify why it is OK that ESO has a cash shop.
was hoping they will have character recustomizing.
becouse i know ill erush to get my name- and thenlook at my character and go..wtf???- also would be nice to age him/her as i progress through the game.
They are simply offering people the chance to buy the horse without paying 70€~ for the freaking imperial edition.
(However they are testing the cash shop for upcoming F2P conversion while at it)
Though this might be true, it also can be the beginning of a slippery slope of them continuing to put more and more items in the cash shop because some people are giving them a free pass with this and they know people will pay for the items. Their CE is a prime example of this. This is what I perceive is to what is making people question this, even though a cash shop that sold in game items was predicted (and denied by a lot of fans) for the past several months now.
I see this as them starting to put Plan B into place for just in case.
A clothes store sells clothing items. A book store sells books and related items. An in-game store sells in-game items.
These are clearly and obviously in-game items, not just account service, sold in an in-game store. Even if the shop can't be accessed from within the game (which would surprise me) it's still selling in-game items which, as far as I'm concerned, makes it an in-game store.
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Selling something other than "account services and fun stuff" = yes
In game = NO.
Get it right. It might seem like a small distinction but to someone whose only objection to F2P is the intrusive in-game shop and other in-game ads, it's an important one.
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It's going to suck bad if they add popular mounts/armor/weapons in the cash shop from previous elder scrolls like say oblivion's dark brotherhood horse and no way available ingame.
This is why sub base with a shady cash shop could not work.
Originally posted by Horusra Guess WoW has been ready for B2P for years. Their slippery horse lead to.....more horses and pets....and and....horses and pets....so slippery. Well the slow slip and constant whining of 10 yeas has led us to paid 90's....that is one long slip of 10 years.
WoW IS ready for B2P, but they aren't going to switch until subs drop to a level where B2P will net more money.
I'm more curious how many people that were adamant that ESO would not have a cash shop will now come here to justify why it is OK that ESO has a cash shop.
A vanity item or convienence item store isn't the same as a store where you can buy pvp potions/buffs or weapons. Zenimax may end up there? but that's not where they are now.
Did everyone forget you can buy mounts for years in the WOW-cash shop and with the new expansion coming a level 90 boost for 50 euro's.... Anyone complaining about the sub fee and the cash shop that has been around for years there?
First, stop trying to compare ESO with WOW. WOW has been a joke of an MMO for years now, with Blizzard just trying to suck all the free money they can out of it before it inevitably dies.
You don't create a retail box MMO that requires a sub AND an in-game shop that offers ANYTHING that you can already acquire in-game. It does nothing but cheapen the game experience for the players that actually want to engage in the experience. Not to mention that I highly doubt that the cash shop mounts are simply going to be re-colors, I would not be surprised in the least if they have better stats too.
You couple this with the cash grabbing approach they are already taking with the pre-order options, the abundant gameplay glitches (UI/Quests), the gameplay issues (terrible pacing/impractical crafting system), and the many other issues that have not been addressed AT ALL throughout the games beta cycle, it's becoming very obvious to me that the devs KNOW that the game will FAIL and are doing everything they can to cash out right away rather than making their game desirable for the long run.
ESO gets a giant DO NOT PLAY recommendation from me.
High prices and a mediocre game plus a cash shop? It seems to be that they know they will be going free to play not very long after launch. They need to squeeze the die hard fans for every penny before that time. I am surprised they aren't also selling the lifetime sub or the extra special lifetime sub or the Imperial lifetime sub that includes every item in the game.
The sad fact is that people will pay it and encourage some other company with an IP to make another mediocre theme park.
I do miss the times when you had to grind/get lucky to get gold/resources for mounts. That time has passed by long time ago.
I wouldn't and won't buy anything from a ESO Store ever, quite frankly I dislike the fact they're adding a store instantly, but that really is how it is these days. It is greedy and cheap, but it is in accordance with its' time.
Then again I'm still unsure whether to buy the game at all, those timed beta test are terrible.
Finding, taming and teaching creatures to be mounts to sell to other players used to be so much content an entire class could be devoted to just that. 1000's of hours of enjoyment from 1000's of people per server...GONE. Now you complain. Suck it up heroes. no one is left that cares.
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Originally posted by Calven Remember when you had to actually work to get something in a game? The sense of accomplishment that made every gamer happy? I remember when I finally pulled enough gold together to buy my mount in WoW.. Rode that fucker for hours on end. with a stupid grin on my face. Now you can buy the most essential parts of the challange in almost every MMORPG. There's no longer a focus on the journey toawrds the end but rather a focus on the end itself and how to get there quicker than your fellow gamers
It's not just this game that does that but every game before it. Yeah a sense of accomplishment is sorely missing now a days from all new games.
I'm still playing the game when it launches , but your right about what you said. ^^
I agree. I'm disappointed by Zenimax here and I will be watching the cash shop closely. I wouldn't put anything past them now. I've lost what faith in them I had.
My problem is that I've pre-ordered and I'm a huge Elder Scrolls fan. I really want to play, but this news about the horse has made me consider cancelling my pre-order. I probably won't, and I'm kind of mad at myself for that.
Who knows? Maybe they already plan to go f2p and they are just trying to grab as much cash up front as they can before they do that. That's what it seems like to me. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think so.
Originally posted by Calven Remember when you had to actually work to get something in a game? The sense of accomplishment that made every gamer happy? I remember when I finally pulled enough gold together to buy my mount in WoW.. Rode that fucker for hours on end. with a stupid grin on my face. Now you can buy the most essential parts of the challange in almost every MMORPG. There's no longer a focus on the journey toawrds the end but rather a focus on the end itself and how to get there quicker than your fellow gamers
It's not just this game that does that but every game before it. Yeah a sense of accomplishment is sorely missing now a days from all new games.
I'm still playing the game when it launches , but your right about what you said. ^^
Wrong! Try soloing Giganticus Lupicus or a whole dungeon in Gw2. Now that doesn't net you any achievement points but it damn well makes you feel like a freaking god xD
Originally posted by FinalFikus Finding, taming and teaching creatures to be mounts to sell to other players used to be so much content an entire class could be devoted to just that. 1000's of hours of enjoyment from 1000's of people per server...GONE. Now you complain. Suck it up heros. no one is left that cares.
Sadly, you're right. In-game shops do, in my opinion, destroy the very purpose of gaming.. You're supposed to acquire those items through playing not paying. Instead we now have a generation of spoiled brats who want everything now. It's like having a book and paying someone to read it through to the final chapter. Then you jump in and finishes the last remaining pages..
Originally posted by Calven Remember when you had to actually work to get something in a game? The sense of accomplishment that made every gamer happy? I remember when I finally pulled enough gold together to buy my mount in WoW.. Rode that fucker for hours on end. with a stupid grin on my face. Now you can buy the most essential parts of the challange in almost every MMORPG. There's no longer a focus on the journey toawrds the end but rather a focus on the end itself and how to get there quicker than your fellow gamers
It's not just this game that does that but every game before it. Yeah a sense of accomplishment is sorely missing now a days from all new games.
I'm still playing the game when it launches , but your right about what you said. ^^
I agree. I'm disappointed by Zenimax here and I will be watching the cash shop closely. I wouldn't put anything past them now. I've lost what faith in them I had.
My problem is that I've pre-ordered and I'm a huge Elder Scrolls fan. I really want to play, but this news about the horse has made me consider cancelling my pre-order. I probably won't, and I'm kind of mad at myself for that.
Who knows? Maybe they already plan to go f2p and they are just trying to grab as much cash up front as they can before they do that. That's what it seems like to me. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think so.
I'm a huge ES fan as well. But I've chosen not to buy it.. We can't blame the developers for this develpoment. It's only good business to maximize profits. We, the players and customers, are solely to blame.. When we accept a busines model such as this developers will only continue to push in a direction that yields the highest profit. And, contrary to popular belief on this site, maximized profits does not equal better games.
Originally posted by FinalFikus Finding, taming and teaching creatures to be mounts to sell to other players used to be so much content an entire class could be devoted to just that. 1000's of hours of enjoyment from 1000's of people per server...GONE. Now you complain. Suck it up heros. no one is left that cares.
Sadly, you're right. In-game shops do, in my opinion, destroy the very purpose of gaming.. You're supposed to acquire those items through playing not paying. Instead we now have a generation of spoiled brats who want everything now. It's like having a book and paying someone to read it through to the final chapter. Then you jump in and finishes the last remaining pages..
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WoW IS ready for B2P, but they aren't going to switch until subs drop to a level where B2P will net more money.
I'm more curious how many people that were adamant that ESO would not have a cash shop will now come here to justify why it is OK that ESO has a cash shop.
was hoping they will have character recustomizing.
becouse i know ill erush to get my name- and thenlook at my character and go..wtf???- also would be nice to age him/her as i progress through the game.
Though this might be true, it also can be the beginning of a slippery slope of them continuing to put more and more items in the cash shop because some people are giving them a free pass with this and they know people will pay for the items. Their CE is a prime example of this. This is what I perceive is to what is making people question this, even though a cash shop that sold in game items was predicted (and denied by a lot of fans) for the past several months now.
I see this as them starting to put Plan B into place for just in case.
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I'd say this qualifies for an in-game store.
A clothes store sells clothing items. A book store sells books and related items. An in-game store sells in-game items.
These are clearly and obviously in-game items, not just account service, sold in an in-game store. Even if the shop can't be accessed from within the game (which would surprise me) it's still selling in-game items which, as far as I'm concerned, makes it an in-game store.
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It's going to suck bad if they add popular mounts/armor/weapons in the cash shop from previous elder scrolls like say oblivion's dark brotherhood horse and no way available ingame.
This is why sub base with a shady cash shop could not work.
We'll see.
A vanity item or convienence item store isn't the same as a store where you can buy pvp potions/buffs or weapons. Zenimax may end up there? but that's not where they are now.
First, stop trying to compare ESO with WOW. WOW has been a joke of an MMO for years now, with Blizzard just trying to suck all the free money they can out of it before it inevitably dies.
You don't create a retail box MMO that requires a sub AND an in-game shop that offers ANYTHING that you can already acquire in-game. It does nothing but cheapen the game experience for the players that actually want to engage in the experience. Not to mention that I highly doubt that the cash shop mounts are simply going to be re-colors, I would not be surprised in the least if they have better stats too.
You couple this with the cash grabbing approach they are already taking with the pre-order options, the abundant gameplay glitches (UI/Quests), the gameplay issues (terrible pacing/impractical crafting system), and the many other issues that have not been addressed AT ALL throughout the games beta cycle, it's becoming very obvious to me that the devs KNOW that the game will FAIL and are doing everything they can to cash out right away rather than making their game desirable for the long run.
ESO gets a giant DO NOT PLAY recommendation from me.
High prices and a mediocre game plus a cash shop? It seems to be that they know they will be going free to play not very long after launch. They need to squeeze the die hard fans for every penny before that time. I am surprised they aren't also selling the lifetime sub or the extra special lifetime sub or the Imperial lifetime sub that includes every item in the game.
The sad fact is that people will pay it and encourage some other company with an IP to make another mediocre theme park.
I do miss the times when you had to grind/get lucky to get gold/resources for mounts. That time has passed by long time ago.
I wouldn't and won't buy anything from a ESO Store ever, quite frankly I dislike the fact they're adding a store instantly, but that really is how it is these days. It is greedy and cheap, but it is in accordance with its' time.
Then again I'm still unsure whether to buy the game at all, those timed beta test are terrible.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
I agree. I'm disappointed by Zenimax here and I will be watching the cash shop closely. I wouldn't put anything past them now. I've lost what faith in them I had.
My problem is that I've pre-ordered and I'm a huge Elder Scrolls fan. I really want to play, but this news about the horse has made me consider cancelling my pre-order. I probably won't, and I'm kind of mad at myself for that.
Who knows? Maybe they already plan to go f2p and they are just trying to grab as much cash up front as they can before they do that. That's what it seems like to me. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think so.
Wrong! Try soloing Giganticus Lupicus or a whole dungeon in Gw2. Now that doesn't net you any achievement points but it damn well makes you feel like a freaking god xD
Sadly, you're right. In-game shops do, in my opinion, destroy the very purpose of gaming.. You're supposed to acquire those items through playing not paying. Instead we now have a generation of spoiled brats who want everything now. It's like having a book and paying someone to read it through to the final chapter. Then you jump in and finishes the last remaining pages..
they should put max level for 60$ like WoW does then maybe i would play
now theres no way im gonna go thru all this boring PvE just to PvP
I'm a huge ES fan as well. But I've chosen not to buy it.. We can't blame the developers for this develpoment. It's only good business to maximize profits. We, the players and customers, are solely to blame.. When we accept a busines model such as this developers will only continue to push in a direction that yields the highest profit. And, contrary to popular belief on this site, maximized profits does not equal better games.
Why does everybody keep saying this is in-game. It has been proven it is NOT in-game.
It is an online store. I mean, if we are going to discuss this then at least know what the shop is!
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