WTH is up with the combat in this game?

azzamasin

Noticed NDA was down so I'll post my thoughts on my limited play sessions in the beta. 

 

COMBAT!

 

What the hell Carbine, it is the most back asswards style of combat you could of developed.  It wants to play as an action based Active dodge combat system but it still allows you to use the mouse which is an anathema to me.  I mean you don't have to give it a reticule but for the love of god having to keep your right mouse button pressed during combat is a chore and feels unintuitive.  You either make Tab Target or you make Tera style Mouse to look action combat.  Not some quasi mix of the worst of both styles.

Aroukos

That's up to every1 tastes. For me is by far the best combat system i have seen and played many years now and one of the reasons i m going to pre order the game. Same feelings are having my rl friends and my wow and rift guild m8's.

Matticus75

As long as I get to squirt poo in someones face with that gun I seen in one of the videos, then ill let the faulty combat slide

PAL-18

i would describe it something like real time Roguelike combat.

Something like Moria (absolutely fantastic Roguelike) meets real time in 3d world.

or Wakfu even.

Somehow they managed to make it work and i must admit,Im loving it.

Ps.Servers are UP (there was maintenance just)

Dauntis

The combat is far from faulty, definitely one of the best combat systems in MMOness. I did not feel the need to keep my mouse buttons mashed, I suppose it is all in which controls you opt to go with.

Randallt3mp

Really? It doesn't feel any different to me than in previous mmos.  Holding Right-click to turn camera has been the way for a long time.  It's so natural to me I don't really even notice.

handlewithcare

the tanking classes felt better and the medic in pvp is useless.

give me lots of dungeons and group play content and ill be more interested.

its good that people stand up for this game but I know ill get mush more from ESO.

GaleOm

I miss auto-attack, it would be easier to move and dodge with it. Now I found myself standing in one place more than I want to.

PAL-18

Originally posted by GaleOm
I miss auto-attack, it would be easier to move and dodge with it. Now I found myself standing in one place more than I want to.

I just soloed some Stalagmight ??group event monsta at demonclaw pass ,as lvl 10 esper and atm my esper plays "turret like" because i cant move when using my builder attack,anyways there was no time to stand in one place. i have 3300 hp and monsta hits for  like 1300.

And this i why i like this combat,i had to move and time all my attacks right,couple mistakes and i died but after couple of tries i made it :>

 

 

Instigator-Jones

Originally posted by azzamasin

Noticed NDA was down so I'll post my thoughts on my limited play sessions in the beta. 

 

COMBAT!

 

What the hell Carbine, it is the most back asswards style of combat you could of developed.  It wants to play as an action based Active dodge combat system but it still allows you to use the mouse which is an anathema to me.  I mean you don't have to give it a reticule but for the love of god having to keep your right mouse button pressed during combat is a chore and feels unintuitive.  You either make Tab Target or you make Tera style Mouse to look action combat.  Not some quasi mix of the worst of both styles.

Because making it something different would be just wrong? I don't get your logic; make it like all the rest but make it different so I can try something new.

 

The combat is good the way it is, no tab (except to select a target) and no idiotic reticle that obstructs your view when your NOT in combat. I appreciate the new direction and the chance to try something out that may be a little different. 

Mothanos

I think it aint bad, i dont like it much, but hey thats my preference !
What i noticed in pvp is the mess comming from big groups fightin each other...
Holy cow thats one rainbow off shit on the ground
This is what takes the immersion out of the game for me.

But like i said it aint bad i just dont like it !

DEAD.line

If i remember, there's going to be a mod to camera lock it. I haven't played it, but i can imegine i'd agree. "Aiming", even if it's just telegraphs, would probably feel more natural with a locked cam.

Mad+Dog

I'm with the op here, either do full action combat or go proper tab target.

Combat feels awkward. Then again I hate tab target combat.

Aroukos

I love tab target but this is the first time i like something even more. WS combat system is one of the main reasons i m going to play this game. That's me anyway

lept

Originally posted by azzamasin

Noticed NDA was down so I'll post my thoughts on my limited play sessions in the beta. 

 

COMBAT!

 

What the hell Carbine, it is the most back asswards style of combat you could of developed.  It wants to play as an action based Active dodge combat system but it still allows you to use the mouse which is an anathema to me.  I mean you don't have to give it a reticule but for the love of god having to keep your right mouse button pressed during combat is a chore and feels unintuitive.  You either make Tab Target or you make Tera style Mouse to look action combat.  Not some quasi mix of the worst of both styles.

Just download Deadlock Extended if that's what you prefer. http://wildstar.curseforge.com/ws-addons/220103-deadlock-extended

Gaxusn

Got to say, I think this game is growing on me.

Hopefully get into the beta and give it a whirl. 

Combat looks fun from the video's.

Aroukos

Originally posted by Gaxusn

Got to say, I think this game is growing on me.

Hopefully get into the beta and give it a whirl. 

Combat looks fun from the video's.

 

Check those videos too:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6261551#6261551

eldaris

No thanks, TERA way of locking the mouse was awful and it was another bad influence from consoles to pc gaming. I wonder how many limitations of recent mmos(TESO,FFXIV) are in place because they want to launch for consoles too. Wildstar combat is great, fast,decent animations, no combat locking me in place like in TERA (not that TERA is a bad game, it can be quite enjoyable especially the combat but still I hated the combat lock) and for people complaining about telegraphs -just disable them. I hope other games will copy Wildstar combat - I mean action combat but using the mouse too, instead of console way - if I wanted to play games on a console I would buy one.

Deerhunter71

Originally posted by Mothanos

What i noticed in pvp is the mess comming from big groups fightin each other...
Holy cow thats one rainbow off shit on the ground
This is what takes the immersion out of the game for me.

 

+1 there - OMG it hurts your eyes and the telegraphing in PvP is one of the worst designs for PvP - absolutely horrible.

Aroukos

Originally posted by eldaris

No thanks, TERA way of locking the mouse was awful and it was another bad influence from consoles to pc gaming. I wonder how many limitations of recent mmos(TESO,FFXIV) are in place because they want to launch for consoles too. Wildstar combat is great, fast,decent animations, no combat locking me in place like in TERA (not that TERA is a bad game, it can be quite enjoyable especially the combat but still I hated the combat lock) and for people complaining about telegraphs -just disable them. I hope other games will copy Wildstar combat - I mean action combat but using the mouse too, instead of console way - if I wanted to play games on a console I would buy one.

 

Agree 100%

Rayshe

You can turn on tab targeting in the options, its called follow lock on target or something like that. So there is a tab target method, however if the target is always at the center of your attack your Aoe"s lose effectiveness since you cant fine tune your attack to hit both parties.

immodium

Originally posted by eldaris

No thanks, TERA way of locking the mouse was awful and it was another bad influence from consoles to pc gaming. I wonder how many limitations of recent mmos(TESO,FFXIV) are in place because they want to launch for consoles too. Wildstar combat is great, fast,decent animations, no combat locking me in place like in TERA (not that TERA is a bad game, it can be quite enjoyable especially the combat but still I hated the combat lock) and for people complaining about telegraphs -just disable them. I hope other games will copy Wildstar combat - I mean action combat but using the mouse too, instead of console way - if I wanted to play games on a console I would buy one.

I actually like animation lock in some MMORPG as you do have to think a little more during combat. The 'flighty' combat is more forgiving about mistakes being made by players as you can instantly break out of the skill you used at the wrong time.

arieste

I found the combat to be the same terribad GCD crap that plagued SWTOR  (well, + dodging).  No thanks.  GCD needs to die a quick and painless dead already.  bleh.  

Mardukk

Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by GaleOm
I miss auto-attack, it would be easier to move and dodge with it. Now I found myself standing in one place more than I want to.

I just soloed some Stalagmight ??group event monsta at demonclaw pass ,as lvl 10 esper and atm my esper plays "turret like" because i cant move when using my builder attack,anyways there was no time to stand in one place. i have 3300 hp and monsta hits for  like 1300.

And this i why i like this combat,i had to move and time all my attacks right,couple mistakes and i died but after couple of tries i made it :>

 

 

This game has builder combat like TSW?

poyozo

There is already an addon that lets you lock the camera, making the RMB act as a toggle instead of a hold.

Riannes

For me, the best combat in the market. Fluid. Responsive. Mobile. Fun.