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Good games don't need defending. Good games speak for themselves.
This whole concept of being a 'defender' is just childish.
I come to forums to listen to various opinion good or bad...your whole reason of visiting forums is to 'defend' games. Maybe thats why when people talk negative about games i like it doesn't bother me at all. Try it sometimes it is quite relaxing.
ESO don't give you everything you want instantly, no. On the other hand, it doesn't hinder you from crafting any object or adding other effect which is available based on the crafter's knowledge. Research is interesting, yet parallel and thus doesn't hinder you.
I cannot bring the SWG crafting system into this conversation, because the conundrum between the two would be too much of a timesink. xD
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Ironic... can't see the forest because of a single tree.
For everything known therein lies the conundrum of the unknown.
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If some company like Trion or Funcom, who have strong reputations for developing average games comes and gives us an average game, we don't care. We'll give 2 lines about it being a "WoW Clone" and move on.
When you take the IP of Elder Scrolls and produce, by so many accounts, a totally average game at best (to a complete and utter mess at worst, depending who you ask)... it is a complete betrayal of the source material for games we *love*, like Morrowwind, Oblivion and Skyrim. It elicits more than just indifference... you actually *feel* contempt, maybe even betrayal.
SWTOR produced a very similiar phenominon - because it was a bug-laden mess of a game that the suits at EA rushed out the door, it got to a point where people who didn't like the game just flat out hated it because of the love they had for the Old Republic games and Star Wars in general.
Moral of this story: If you buy the rights to great intellectual property, you are under more pressure to do it justice than something like Wildstar, where you're making up new IP as you go.
This. ^^
More than anything else, this.
When a game has been hyped and played on the IP, an IP people love like Elder Scrolls or Star Wars; when developers have used lots of shills; when expectations have been built up... and then the product you get is -- quite frankly -- half-baked; people get pissed. They fell like they've been taken advantage of; they feel cheated.
Basically because they have been.
People are not as stupid as marketers want to believe they are. They may act like sheep or lemmings, but they figure out quickly that they have been taken for a ride and they react acordingly.
Then they bitch and moan on forums to warn other people off as a form of revenge. It's human nature.
And websites like MMORPG.com cringe because they're going to lose ad revenue.
look at his sig and it will tell you everything you need to know.
its the my game vs your game mentality that you constantly see around here.
that said...... ESO > GW2
This. ^^
More than anything else, this.
When a game has been hyped and played on the IP, an IP people love like Elder Scrolls or Star Wars; when developers have used lots of shills; when expectations have been built up... and then the product you get is -- quite frankly -- half-baked; people get pissed. They fell like they've been taken advantage of; they feel cheated.
Basically because they have been.
People are not as stupid as marketers want to believe they are. They may act like sheep or lemmings, but they figure out quickly that they have been taken for a ride and they react acordingly.
Then they bitch and moan on forums to warn other people off as a form of revenge. It's human nature.
And websites like MMORPG.com cringe because they're going to lose ad revenue.
ESO was hyped as a piece of garbage throughout development, not sure what you are talking about.
it actually delivered a better product than what most people thought.
and depending on who you ask its the best mmo on the market currently or the worst thing ever created.
to say its mediocre at best when compared to other mmo's is pure hyperbole.
Have you looked at your history? Last week you were "defending" SWToR. Kind of hypocritical aren't you?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
No that is an opinion...you can like it or dislike it but that is what it is.
These things are hard. The comic, when speaking about Elder Scrolls is pretty accurate I think. But if you look at other games like, one of the most loved RPGs of all time, Planescape Torment, you too there will see a game that has bad combat.
To me the strengths of ES has always been the world. I never enjoyed the main storylines. I found it pretty mediocre and unfulfilling in Skyrim, but I don't know how much was due to hampy voice actors or the writing. But the worlds in Morrowind and Skyrim are wonderful. Truly crafted with scope and a sense of vastness on SWG has been able to match. Particularly Morrowind. The best virtual open world along with Vice City.
Morrowind had everything it's land mass. Swamps, deserts, lush forests. It really had this great tight art direction as well. Oblivion was the opposite. Boring, stale and some of the worst art. Generic high fantasy. Combat in ES was always very one-dimensional. Even Skyrim.
It's ´hard to judge games only on their faults and not on their strengths. There is no video games that do what elder scrolls does in terms of exploration. It's the staple of them. Rarely do people spend 100 hours while not touching the main storyline. How often did that happen in Morrowind? get off the boat as a free ex-slave and things just go crazy. As you run into the first house along the left road, you are attacked by a manic PMS Wood Elf wooden with a sickle. Welcome to Morrowind.
It is not really hate, what you equate as hate is really disappointment. These game developers keep making the same basic mistakes when they produce these MMORPG's. So it's not hate...it's disappointment. For people like me...I have seen this game before...it is a knock-off, of a knock-off, of a knock-off. Going back to DAoC(which was a great MMORPG until Atlantis), then we got a game like Warhammer(which was a knock-off of DAoC), then Aion(knock-off of DAoC), then Tera(oh look another DAoC knock-off), SWToR.... GW2...
And when I say knock-off...they tried to make it a realm vs realm game.
The only MMORPG that got it right between DAoC and Warhammer was WoW.
Do you see a pattern here?
Although I enjoy many things about the game. It really is a downer that they couldn't create a seamless or near seamless world (ala WoW or Vanguard) where the factions could freely roam and interact in each other's territory.
This is my biggest disappointment in the design of the game.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
They play a game like WoW for years, they see their guild empty because members look elswhere for fun, and basicly many MMO players are teenagers.
It's like they love playing with a toy and you say "I like something better then what you're playing with".
Odds are kinda like 100% that those children oppose you and say their stuff is better.
In short: children with rampant hormones and mature players not having fully developed brains.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Or they just don't think the new toy is very good and decide to make a few posts on the Internet telling other people as much?
To be 100% fair, I think my years of playing WoW actually work to ESO's benefit. You know how long I've been waiting for the WoW-Killer... or, at very least, a game I enjoy playing as much - if not more - than WoW in its prime?
The only thing this game killed was the IP it was based off of... but I *really* was hoping it could do better.
Eeeeasy, I was mentioning WoW as a example, no need to go all static.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Actually, pretty sure you were implying anyone who dislikes TESO and posts about it was either a child with rampant hormones or mature players without fully developed brains.
I find your conclusion dubious.
The comic is probably spot on. No I dont play this game because I have seen the previous ES games and know without a means to modify things the game will get boring in about a month or two just like all previous ES games.
Mods have made ES games what they are not the vanilla released versions. The poor combat mechanics, bad user interface and down right dull storylines made these games last about a month before I was adding mods or making my own changes.
I played Morrowind for a month before adding mods. In Oblivion I played a total of 80 hours through the main quest line before adding mods. I changed the combat animations and added better graphical armors. After adding numerous mods (about 30) I continued my Oblivion adventure for another 1200 hours of game play. The total time spent will the developers released version was 80 hours but the continued enjoyment was over 1100 hours.
In Skyrim I finished the main quest in under 20 hours and uninstalled it because it was rather dull and boring. There was not a convenient way to mod the game at the time since creation kit was released several months later so I went off to work on my own stuff. Later I came back and made a couple changes to the interface and added 88 mods that completely changed the game play and environment. Since adding the changes I can start in different areas, make my own useable gear, work dungeons I added and continue on quests that others have made. I have over 700 hours addition game play hours because of mods and still love the lore and open world feel that is not a boxed in zone.
If the developers wanted to really make a game worth its salt then they should have made this one multiplayer with capability for others to make and maintain their own servers with their own mods. Even paying a monthly fee for netcode access would have made it worth the price just to have the freedom to choose the best suitable server for ones play style.
As it stands here this looks like a great game for a month or two so it is not worth buying or paying a sub.
If you are interested in making a MMO maybe visit my page to get a free open source engine.
What Moar61 said.
This is the first MMO since DAoC I've really enjoyed and wanted to log back on to progress my character.
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Skyrim was and still is one of my favorites of all times, but did you know most of Skyrims sales were to people who couldn't even mod their own game? I do agree it would be awesome to mod an mmorpg, but it would be almost impossible to keep the game standardized for all players.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Because what you don't understand is they come here just to start shit. Plain and simple.
I once watched a TV show that I didn't like. I didn't bitch, I didn't complain...guess what? To this very second I don't even know what happen to that show. Is it still on? Did it ever have a second episode? I don't know because I NEVER gave it a thought. I just moved on.
Again, they just here to agitate you and everyone else who likes the game. End of story.
Last week? you mean in 2013? hahah!!
Man you had to go really far in my post history to dig something up. And that conversation was to remove some mis conceptions about F2P model since the guy based his post on outdated info.
Nice try there bud but i would hardly call that defending. And yes i stand by what i said earlier. I find it really immature when people make sole purpose of posting on forums is to 'defend games'.
Good games speak for themselves.
No, if this isn't defending your point, than it is supporting him? http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/userPosts/1466582/page/2
edit: I find it very immature when people have almost all of their recent history trying to discredit a game that has thousands of people enjoying it.
Because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad game to many other people. We get your point, you don't like it.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.