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Until ESO does a 2 week trial, other people's opinions are all non-players have to help us decide whether we want to buy or not.
It's one thing to buy into the opinion of someone that just raves how everything sucks in a game, quite another to have someone explain what they didn't like and provide footage to back up their point. This vid is definitely the latter.
It's kinda where I was headed, but this vid cements it in: I'm waiting for F2P or a trial before I'll bother with this game. Maybe by then they'll have most of the bugs fixed. The group questing issues alone are grounds for leaving this game on the store shelf.
I actually agree with everything he says. In fact, I think he actually misses quite a few other problems with the game.
Word of mouth is very powerful. Heck the best way to meet a women in a bar is to have a female friend introduce you to someone she does not even know. I bet anything anyone in this forum has bought or not bought some product on the word of someone. Its a big part of business. In the end its just a review by one guy but its seems to be a common trend for ESO so far. Most reviewers are saying the same things. How it plays when I played with my wife is a big reason why I didnt buy ESO!!!
Man I just can't wait to play it when it goes free to play
I watched his all reviews about this game. His first review is about pve in eso and the basics in the beta. He clearly point out that he didn't like it. His second review is all about pvp in Eso in beta. And he said he loved it and it was awesome. His third review is a review in progress. And he was natural about the game back then. Now he is 50 and he saw all the leveling progress + end game content. Now finally he gave us his real review. And while his pve score is 4/10, his pvp score is 7/10. Like he always said he didn't like the pve aspect of the game but he like the pvp. What is wrong with this? Mmorpg.com always doing the same thing.
Yeah, he actually does remain consistent with his review. As you said, he didn't like the PvE in the first video, he liked the PvP in the second video and that is pretty much what he is saying here. He even gives PvE a 4/10 and PvP a 7/10.
So a review by Angry Joe made up your mind ? That is a very sad thing to announce to the MMORPG.com community.
Good luck with GW2.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
Hate to break it to you (well not really) but Zenimax is much more likely to adopt a TSW model of Buy to Play with paid episodes than all out F2P. That would fit well with how they sold past TES games with DLC packs and as long as they didn't do something stupid like have lock boxes with cash shop keys, random high end loot boxes on a cash shop or have a in game gold farmer market I would be ok with that. I have my doubt's any company can resist the siren call of those things however as even TSW has started to do cash shop loot boxes.
I'm not a fan of assigning numbers to reviews. I find that in a lot of cases they feel arbitrary. However, if you listen to what he says I do think he brought up a lot of valid points and complaints. While he is over the top, that is just the way he is in all of his reviews, I find that he is correct in a lot of the issues (although some things like the having passengers for a horse, well hardly any mmos do that so I kind of throw that complaint out). The point that the game really does feel like it is still in beta is something I feel as well.
To me really they have to fix some of the grouping issues. Not sure if some of it is possible due to how the game is made but it is something that should be on the priority list.
He hated the PvE, liked the PvP, then stated that the PvP was great but didn't offer anything you couldn't find else, often for free. Liking and not liking different aspects and features of a game is hardly a tricky concept.
Methinx the value of a game, aka "bang for the buck" is relevant in a review, as is the feeling that it gives you as a player. A person could feel a bit betrayed by the game charging you 60 bucks plus a sub, then having large, long travel starting areas to drive home a "Shoulda sprung for the horse!" sentiment. Those are the sorts of things that leave a bad taste in your mouth. It's kinda like DA2's pay DLC being available on launch, except imagine that if you didn't buy that DLC, the game got, say, 20% more tedious.
They better hope it can be made F2P, because it's not a matter of "if", but "when". If they haven't been considering how to make a F2P model for this game, they're gonna be in deep dook within a couple years.
I love ESO but he is spot on.....
I am affraid for the next 2 months for Zenimax, as even i am getting anoyed by some game decisions.
No other way of leveling then doing quests...
Making the pvp quest daily...
Long spawn timers and mini boss getting 1 shot....
3 exp per dungeon mob...
Loading screens for everything...
These are my main concerns.
But still ESO is a great mmo if you like its style and questing / story.
But in the long run i am very affraid that Zenimax is in for a big shock.
Angry Joe spot on. Zenimax cash grab, a joke to the elder scrolls franchise.
We said the same things at mmorpg in beta, so not original, but accurate.
The game was built for console player imo, ZeniMax couldn't care less about vet mmo players.
The game is sub par and imo AJ is spot on although i would give the game 3/10.
You seem to be missing my point. The truth is these companies like SE, Zenimax and even NCSoft are bucking the trend with making a sub based game. Games like FFXIV and ESO (not sure about Wildstar yet but probably that to) couldn't be made as F2P or even B2P games. Like them or hate them these games are at least trying to give us more than MMO's that have Farmville grind mechanics behind them.
The only alternative is a game like GW2 or Neverwinter where a real money to in game currency store is so engrained into every aspect of how the game works that the developers can safely poor significant more resources into it. And even than ESO and FFXIV are much larger worlds than GW2 could ever dream of being.
Game reviewers should be celebrating these differences not taking points away because the game can't be played casual enough with a sub.
I didnt like GW2 much, never reached max level in that game. It didnt feel rewarding progression wise since you basically stop progressing skills before lvl20, also all your skills are hardcoded into the weapons so you must use exactly what abilities are given to you.
In ESO I can mix and match skills and weapons, I get to morph them over time thus progressing them, and there's so many skill lines regardless of your class that it looks like there's always something new to try. Also the flow of the story is good at least on Daggerfall Covenant so far. ESO just feels a better game right from the start, so I dont know how people can say they are the same, when someone else feels completely different about both.
You mentioned also people with better classes, the truth is you can solo almost anything with destruction staff and fighters guild skill lines, neither are tied into a specific class. But I prefer 2 handed just for the fun of it (as a sorcerer) and only go destruction staff on hard encounters that you need to kite.
Also you mentioned too little gear drops (are we playing the same game?) and gold troubles. Gold wont be a problem after getting mount, having the imperial steed I noticed I dont need gold for anything but feeding the horse. No need for repairs because you craft new gear all the time, and you get green and blue drops + quest rewards so much I keep deconstructing them like crazy. That pretty much leaves respeccing the only thing I need gold for, in case I feel the need for that, besides feeding the horse ofcourse (doing 1 quest feeds the horse).
Apparently, you're wrong as this thread has 22 pages.
There is a lot of bullshit in what he is saying as he is selling the negativity so hard and then soft playing the things that are great.
His main agenda seems to be with the sub, he is obviously the hero of the "F2P gamer army" and if everything should be F2P he should do these reviews for free, he is the same persona in the $$ Cobra commander mask...
HAHAHA Let me profit by bashing the sub model to gain the views and support of my F2P broke as stoner gamer fan base! HAHAHA... give me more ad/click revenue then go to my website and buy a shirt!
As far as the game goes... The parts where he ranting about the CE mounts... and the cost of horses... I recall it where games were level restricted on mounts, and even when you leveled you could not afford them...
The premium mounts (42k gold) are still better than the CE mount which is comparable to the 14k mount with 15% start run speed as opposed to the varied 25% mounts. So either way if you want the best mount you still need to shell out in game cash.
He is also bitching about gold at level 15... thats like a 5 year old complaining that they can not afford a new car from the few bucks grandma stuffed in a card for them on their birthday. I am currently VR2 and have 90k gold... It gets better...
He bitches about phasing in groups (yes this is annoying) and how the game doesn't feel like an mmo... then complains when someone gets to a crafting node before he does...
He also makes more false claims about the CE, such as the all factions open to any CE purchaser... which this is 1/2 truth... this was something available to ANYONE who pre-ordered... The only thing the CE gave you was the Imperial race in this regard.
It is also as if he reviewed this game at release where there were still plenty of bugs, the game is certainly not without flaws however they have made significant patches to many of the broken items...
Comparing this game to GW2 and DAOC for PvP is also grasping at straws... DAOC was great and paved the way for games of this nature, but it should be looked at as just that... One of the forefathers, a defining game of the genre and (still maintains a sub btw)
GW2 is ok but ESO offers are far more open feel with the map size in comparison and while it may feel empty at times it does a decent job of showing you where the action is.
Graphically this horse has been beat to death... the models and resolution is the way it is to support the large PvP battles which this game is centered around... I think he is lopoking for Skyrim level graphics in an MMO... and while we may see games like Black Dessert on the horizon with its amazing graphics it is not sure whether that game can hold massive battles (at least from what I have seen so far)
Joe is basically a shill, a profiteer who jumps on the bandwagon of whatever is popular (F2P, cherry picking MMO features) and screaming about it.
He wants everything to be like everything else, then will bitch that there is no innovation.
The game is not perfect however and if you can look past some of the bugs which they seem to be addressing with their bizarre "unscheduled" scheduled maintenance, forgive them for the facepalm worthy major bugs (dupe, broken main quest) which in my gaming history seems indicative of just about every MMO launch when all is said and done and the game evens out I give it a hard 8.0/10.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
That's the basic gist of what I got from watching a couple of his reviews. Sensationalist, might as well work for SUN or some other tabloid.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
They should have included the speed boost as a number for the CE so people who have not played the game would realize that you can easily outrun a horse unless the horse is sprinting, even when sprinting with the horse you save a few second traveling from quest to quest, and long distances you travel with quick travel so, having said all that, this horse controversy is WAY out of proportions.
It's like people are concentrating ONLY on having or not having the horse, instead of what it actually benefits you in game. Sure after you have leveled the horse to max level taking only speed buffs on it, it is fast, but at that point you have all the quick travel points unlocked anyway.
I thought my self that the most important part of the CE is the horse before I started playing, but now that I have experienced what it actually means in game, it's absolutely not a big deal. In fact I think there's way too many wayshrines each map making quick travel too easy anyway.
Your first sentence implies console players are not veteran MMO players , is that right ?
Well the person sitting and typing this is a veteran console MMO player , how's that for you ?
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
You sure you watched the video?
He totally gushed when it came to PvP, and even moreso on character advancement. the open skill system, getting away from the tab-target/toolbar systems... no more cooldowns... if he's a "shill" for games that have that stuff, he's not a very good one.
Its funny to see all the fanboys run to this thread and tell everyone how they dont care, and how dumb Angry Joe is. Oh wait, maybe he is right, and so is PC gamer, and all the other reviews that will tell the same tale. Oh and, yes, maybe your just a weird one, that likes a average game, but hey, its hard for some to realise, so to act cool, they just come here and try and defend this game.
This game is a insult, and it will makes the chance of a decent mmo comming out in the future way harder.
Sucks.........
Opinions are...well you know the saying.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Exactly, why does everyone gloss over the FREE wayshrine to wayshrine travel? Yes, the zones are big. They are sprinkled with wayshrines so that you don't have to run for 30 minutes to get around. They're also clearly marked on the map and you get exp for discovering a wayshrine.