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NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904
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If the game were to go f2p, Would they still sell Virtual currency for cash?

If you look at credd now there is 2 sides to it:

1. I want more gold, I am willing to pay real money for that.
2. I want more game time, I am not willing (or do not want to) pay real money.

Even if the game time element is irrelevant, there is still gamers that want "gold" for cash.

Do you think carbine/ncsoft will continue to try and monetize this aspect?

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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.
  • KnotwoodKnotwood Member CommonPosts: 1,103
    They are going to have Subscription Items in game you can sell to each other so technicially...   Yes they will be selling game currency for cash.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    SoE products are F2P with a sub pay wall, you can play all you want for free but when you get close to end game sub players have an edge in many areas so you are forced to sub to join the end game community. They have a system like CREED. So yes if they followed SoE model and I guess they will in the end., CREED will still hold a place in the game. As this like SoE system would hold the title as a real F2P game because of it.
  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904

    Originally posted by Purutzil
    I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.

    I'm just curious because this situation is kind of unique. I cannot think of any other company besides CCP that could explore this opportunity.

    Well, to be fair any company could explore this technique. however this could be morally plausible. (ie they can do it with little backlash)

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    Originally posted by Nitth

     

    Originally posted by Purutzil
    I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.

     

    I'm just curious because this situation is kind of unique. I cannot think of any other company besides CCP that could explore this opportunity.

    Well, to be fair any company could explore this technique. however this could be morally plausible. (ie they can do it with little backlash)

    SoE has been doing it forever and their games are F2P.

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904

    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Purutzil I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.
      I'm just curious because this situation is kind of unique. I cannot think of any other company besides CCP that could explore this opportunity. Well, to be fair any company could explore this technique. however this could be morally plausible. (ie they can do it with little backlash)
    SoE has been doing it forever and their games are F2P.

    https://www.everquest2.com/krono

    Huh, So they do.

    And i suppose if they did go F2p or "Fremium" like the soe system that would be the best case for the players.

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  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731

    how about we wait and see how the next year goes before we start doin the "f2p" threads.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    Originally posted by silverreign

    how about we wait and see how the next year goes before we start doin the "f2p" threads.

    F2P is not a scary word and it does not mean a game has failed. Games that have been out for a while and have expansions under their belt start to look intimidating to new players. The investment to try the game gets higher and higher with each expansion. Some game companies like SoE have added a F2P system where you can get all the expansions for free up to the couple latest ones. You can play all the way to cap for free with some hindrances. 

    At level cap there is enough hindrances that joining the end game community is not something you can do as your char is not as powerful as a subbed char. So people who love the game in leveling up normally sub but people who would not have invested lots of money now get to try the game risk free and no trial to level 20 tells you anything about how a MMO plays. Add in a system like CREED and even with the hindrances at top level, you now have a real F2P game that Carbine still makes a sub for every player. So the development still gets a sub quality game. Its a real Win / Win.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    SoE products are F2P with a sub pay wall, you can play all you want for free but when you get close to end game sub players have an edge in many areas so you are forced to sub to join the end game community. They have a system like CREED. So yes if they followed SoE model and I guess they will in the end., CREED will still hold a place in the game. As this like SoE system would hold the title as a real F2P game because of it.

    Way to bring the worst band into this - twice!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuRX-tIxph8

     

    LOL, sorry

  • XarkoXarko Member EpicPosts: 1,180
    Dont be sorry and start spelling it correctly :P
  • KnotwoodKnotwood Member CommonPosts: 1,103
    Originally posted by Nitth

     

    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by Nitth  
    Originally posted by Purutzil I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.
      I'm just curious because this situation is kind of unique. I cannot think of any other company besides CCP that could explore this opportunity. Well, to be fair any company could explore this technique. however this could be morally plausible. (ie they can do it with little backlash)
    SoE has been doing it forever and their games are F2P.

     

    https://www.everquest2.com/krono

    Huh, So they do.

    And i suppose if they did go F2p or "Fremium" like the soe system that would be the best case for the players.

    There is many great reasons for this game to go F2P and have this type of Sub Item.  

     

    First, it keeps all the gold sellers out of business by redirecting all the cash to the company for currency that would have went to gold sellers instead.  Most people who buy gold would rather a safe transaction with the game company even if its a bit more priced.

     

    Secondly, Free to play would allow people without jobs or unable to pay for a sub, to have access to the game with pleanty of time to farm gold to buy a sub, which is paid for by people who work and have less time to farm gold.  Its a win win situation for both the casual player who works in real life and the moneyless player.

     

     

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731

    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by silverreign how about we wait and see how the next year goes before we start doin the "f2p" threads.
    F2P is not a scary word and it does not mean a game has failed. Games that have been out for a while and have expansions under their belt start to look intimidating to new players. The investment to try the game gets higher and higher with each expansion. Some game companies like SoE have added a F2P system where you can get all the expansions for free up to the couple latest ones. You can play all the way to cap for free with some hindrances. 

    At level cap there is enough hindrances that joining the end game community is not something you can do as your char is not as powerful as a subbed char. So people who love the game in leveling up normally sub but people who would not have invested lots of money now get to try the game risk free and no trial to level 20 tells you anything about how a MMO plays. Add in a system like CREED and even with the hindrances at top level, you now have a real F2P game that Carbine still makes a sub for every player. So the development still gets a sub quality game. Its a real Win / Win.

    actually f2p is very scary. i hate those games. always restrictions and catches. i would rather just pay a sub and get it all. as its been stated many times, $15/month isnt much money and if it is then playing games shouldnt b on ur plate.

    now i do play neverwinter from time to time but free is the only way to play. i would rather sub to neverwinter and have chests drop rarely so i can open them rather then drop all the time and have to buy keys. f2p is the worst thing to happen to mmo's. now all the freeloaders want all games to b free. of course they will still bitch about it anyways. look at swtor. the game is free to lvl to 55. yet people still complain about it.

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731

    [quote]Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Nanfoodle Originally posted by Nitth   Originally posted by Purutzil I would assume its likely so. Its not bad for many F2P games. Honestly though, its a bit silly to be throwing up the F2P flag just yet. How the developers push it, they are quite adamant on keeping a good balance by having it P2P. Could potentially go F2P obviously, but it is silly to speculate such so early.   I'm just curious because this situation is kind of unique. I cannot think of any other company besides CCP that could explore this opportunity. Well, to be fair any company could explore this technique. however this could be morally plausible. (ie they can do it with little backlash) SoE has been doing it forever and their games are F2P.   https://www.everquest2.com/krono Huh, So they do. And i suppose if they did go F2p or "Fremium" like the soe system that would be the best case for the players.There is many great reasons for this game to go F2P and have this type of Sub Item.  

     

    First, it keeps all the gold sellers out of business by redirecting all the cash to the company for currency that would have went to gold sellers instead.  Most people who buy gold would rather a safe transaction with the game company even if its a bit more priced.

     

    Secondly, Free to play would allow people without jobs or unable to pay for a sub, to have access to the game with pleanty of time to farm gold to buy a sub, which is paid for by people who work and have less time to farm gold.  Its a win win situation for both the casual player who works in real life and the moneyless player.

     

     [/quote

    people without jobs shouldnt b spending their time playing games. just my opinion.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,875
    Originally posted by silverreign

     

    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by silverreign how about we wait and see how the next year goes before we start doin the "f2p" threads.
    F2P is not a scary word and it does not mean a game has failed. Games that have been out for a while and have expansions under their belt start to look intimidating to new players. The investment to try the game gets higher and higher with each expansion. Some game companies like SoE have added a F2P system where you can get all the expansions for free up to the couple latest ones. You can play all the way to cap for free with some hindrances. 

     

    At level cap there is enough hindrances that joining the end game community is not something you can do as your char is not as powerful as a subbed char. So people who love the game in leveling up normally sub but people who would not have invested lots of money now get to try the game risk free and no trial to level 20 tells you anything about how a MMO plays. Add in a system like CREED and even with the hindrances at top level, you now have a real F2P game that Carbine still makes a sub for every player. So the development still gets a sub quality game. Its a real Win / Win.

     

     

    actually f2p is very scary. i hate those games. always restrictions and catches. i would rather just pay a sub and get it all. as its been stated many times, $15/month isnt much money and if it is then playing games shouldnt b on ur plate.

    now i do play neverwinter from time to time but free is the only way to play. i would rather sub to neverwinter and have chests drop rarely so i can open them rather then drop all the time and have to buy keys. f2p is the worst thing to happen to mmo's. now all the freeloaders want all games to b free. of course they will still bitch about it anyways. look at swtor. the game is free to lvl to 55. yet people still complain about it.

    Real F2P games are not my style as well. SoE F2P system is more B2P. Fact is, SoE and SWToR saw a hug jump in subs after their unique F2P system was added and subbing from the start still gives the best experience. As for cry babies, they will cry no matter the payment model and we will never see an end to that in any game.

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731

    Originally posted by Knotwood
    Originally posted by silverreign   people without jobs shouldnt b spending their time playing games. just my opinion.
    I agree, we should have labor camps for those types of people.


    think we can get away with that? :)

  • ButeoRegalisButeoRegalis Member UncommonPosts: 594
    Originally posted by silverreign

    people without jobs shouldnt b spending their time playing games. just my opinion.

    Yea, F*** those retirees and school children!! Get a job, moochers!

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  • Vaske1984Vaske1984 Member Posts: 228
    Originally posted by Nitth

    If the game were to go f2p

     

    I thought the game is f2p/sub/b2p all in one?

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  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    edit

    nevermind - i should have  read whole thread

     

    EQ2 fan sites

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    i dont mind if the game sells virtual currency for real cash as long as that real cash cant buy any and absolutely NO piece of power from a cash shop. Not even a crappy pair of blue/green boots because that crappy pair of boots is still better than npc merchant's gear, so that instantly becomes Pay to Win. When games are faceroll easy (probably every mmorpg released lately, including WS beta) i have to use crappy gear to make every fight more challenging so yeah.... if you can buy a $10 dollar hat that has more stats than my 50 gold gray hat then i dont want your game.




  • Dreamo84Dreamo84 Member UncommonPosts: 3,713
    If it ever goes F2P it will likely be "freemium" with an optional subscription so I don't see CREDD changing. Most F2P conversions can't afford to lose the sub revenue, it's more about gaining new players and revenue sources than getting rid of the sub model.

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