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"There are no ghosts. There's no Santa. There's no Easter Bunny. Superman isn't real. There's no god."
What do you mean Superman isn't real!?
I don't believe in a god because I was never given any good and logical reason to believe. I'm in the USA and I was raised to be a Christian by my parents and was forced into church every week as a kid. For me, none of the talking/preaching/bible reading was enough to convince me that this was true history.
People seem to believe in god for a few silly reasons. They fear death or the wrath of god. They were raised and brainwashed as a child, so religion is molded into their mind. Or, they simply think "well, why else would we be here?"
The thing is about god, is that there is no reason we should believe it if we're thinking logically. We can see today and through all recorded history aside from bibles, that people aren't parting seas, or walking on water. Why? Because that stuff just doesn't happen.
God would not exist in anyones mind if people didn't preach about him, and there were no bible to read about it. god lives by word of mouth, so to speak.
I found this website, pretty fun read. http://mindprod.com/god.html
No. You're telling me what you think you saw, while simultaneously illustrating the human capacity for determined self-delusion.
Serious amounts of human ego floating around here. Tell me, WHY are humans so special that we have an afterlife? Why do these religious fanatics (if you go to church willingly you are a fanatic) never see ghost dogs or cats? but that aside, how does seeing a ghost, prove that god exists? for the guy who talked about the old lady that would talk to something at night, scream, and wake up with scratches, ever hear of Dimentia? how about senility?
The question of god isn't as trivial as others would have you belive. If it were, why does every culture in the history of man have it's own gods? The truth has been said before, man's need to believe he is worth more than he is.
As to the bible, please all you bible thumping experts out there, can you defend any of the major events in the bible, without refering back to the bible? Probably not, my grandmother is an intelligent lady, who happens to be a born again christian, yet she can't do it. Prove to us that your work of fiction is the truth! You belive in Jesus, you say! So do I! the greatest scam ever pulled! Look at his story closely, doesn't it remind you a wee bit of the story of hercules? Or how about Mithras, who belive it or not, had his birthday on Dec 25. Which the RC church decided to make Jesus' birthday to make it easier for the roman soldiers who worshiped Mithras, to convert to Jesus. Hell, the church admits that! yet they still expect you to belive that the rest of what they say is the truth!
In conclusion, God? Who knows, not how we humans think of him, for certain. Religion? Made for the sheep of our race, to blind or stupid to use their mind to figure things out for themselves. Want someone else to tell them how to live and run their life. The Bible, Most boring crappy piece of fiction ever written that had a great PR man!
Flame me all you like! But I challenge you to prove me wrong first!
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.
--Aristotle
No, that shows you that people like spooky stories.
There are no ghosts. There's no Santa. There's no Easter Bunny. Superman isn't real. There's no god.
Glad we could clear that up.
There are many reasons to why people believe and not believe in ghosts. No one can say they don't believe in ghosts till they have walked through maybe 100+ graveyards in the middle of the night. Just the other day my friend was skateboarding at night, at some church building. He sees some old man in an umbrella watching them. I don't know if it was a ghost but, he said it freaked him out.
I've spent days just watching how earth is in my neck of the woods. After a long time watching seriously things do get strange. I watched clouds in the sky and in one I saw a man praying then quickly covers up. I saw this when I was a kid, it could have been overreactive imagination to some or something spiritual.
There was a santa claus, St. Nick. Cmon firemagic. The easter bunny was just a marketing trick. Superman came from a comicbook. God came from the beginning of time.
Not flaming But I would say just the opposite those that don't believe in God are Egoistic because they view humans as supierior beings without equal and most defianatly without supierior
And the notion that humans are the masters of this world seems to be very vain
Excepting that there is a God is saying that there is a force greater than our own, and that we are but humble servants
I have not been blinded in anyway, nor am I being lead my belief in God come not from priests or a want to be more than I am,
but an independent search for God, and the belief that I am just one of many creations on this planet
As for the Bible I am not a Christian I believe in God but thats it everything else is debatable, Jesus was a man true, son of God doubt it, Prophet probably
IMO different cultures have different gods because, all may have felt the presence of God but to it more understandable and bring more rhym and reason to concept that is difficult to grasp, they give names and put faces to the dieity
Don't want to argue but if you want to have an itelligent debat then thats fine
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Thanks for saying exactly what I've always wanted to say.
And the notion that humans are the masters of this world seems to be very vain
Excepting that there is a God is saying that there is a force greater than our own, and that we are but humble servants
I have not been blinded in anyway, nor am I being lead my belief in God come not from priests or a want to be more than I am,
but an independent search for God, and the belief that I am just one of many creations on this planet
As for the Bible I am not a Christian I believe in God but thats it everything else is debatable, Jesus was a man true, son of God doubt it, Prophet probably
IMO different cultures have different gods because, all may have felt the presence of God but to it more understandable and bring more rhym and reason to concept that is difficult to grasp, they give names and put faces to the dieity
Don't want to argue but if you want to have an itelligent debat then thats fine
I love a god debate, First off, I was not saying man is the master of earth. I think that thinking is also very human egotistical. Man forms a symbiant circle of life on earth. We are no more important that the lowest piece of sponge, nor are we any less important. Can I ask, why do you belive we need a superior? Why must there be a master and a subject? Why aren't we all just equal? If we can truly belive that we are equal with the rest of the species, how then, can God exist? For surely he doesn't bring squirrels to heaven. Let me try another approach. Lets say we make mosquitoes extinct (I know I wish too) now from the lack of food, 3 whole species of Bats go extinct, from them 4 species of snakes, and so on etc etc, until all we are left with is us humans. Then what do we do? Cannabilism is wrong according to the belief in god (almost every god's followers belive that) so are we just supposed to starve to death? Again Humans are no more important than the mosquitoes.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not some peace loving, tree hugging hippie. I belive we need a good world war about now, we need to cull the herd, so to speak. For those who say I'm sick, well, the way I look at it, if it happens in nature than it is a natural thing. Chimpanzies, will raid and kill other groups of chimps. Many species of ants, kill their own kinds, to avoid competition. Now don't get on the train of we are better than chimps, because we are not, when was the last time you saw a chimp molest a 2 year old girl and get away with it, cause the judge agreed she was making sexual overtures?
Well I can't think of anything else atm, so I'll look back in, in a few!
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.
--Aristotle
hm.. don't know why i'm posting this on a gaming site, but...
I for one have seen and read many subjects on ghosts and apparitions. and scientifically it would seem as though there is a very high build up of Ions when ghosts are nearby. Thereby making it some what viable. considering ghosts seem to be made up of pure Ions. Simply this is an image of ourselves we leave behind. And certain gifted people are able to tap into this interact with this image. I'm not talking about your average so called psychic, if you do enough study you can tell some differences.
But in my own opinion Ghosts are simply people who have not excepted their death and have a urgent feeling to stay around until what ever it was they deemed necessary to do is complete. But what it would seem to me is that we lose our ability to "think" and store information once we die. without the brain for a tapable info storage you are simply a walking chunk of energy. So their ghost form would just simply reside here until it just simply gives up and leaves. It's more of a self motivated or driven objective that only has actions without thought.
But as for the religious aspect, if you consider the aspects above, as in our own soul being made up of Ions. You have to remember, everything around you is made up of matter, this of which was born of the substances in space. We are all made up of particles and matter that evolves space itself. I believe that we could be an experiment by some alien life form. And they have left behind information and have caused the evolution of man. And the one aspect that could be true. is that when we die we go back to the source. The center of the universe or galaxy. Not sure which.. but both seem pretty awful bright and full of pure energy. We always gravitate to the point of least resistance. It would only make sense to go back to were we all originated. but of course this has been my own personal theory in progress that once i pass on i will know the truth. just as everyone else. it's one of those aspects we all must understand that we may never know the "truth" until the time comes. People wish to use religion as a crutch to that aspect and that is their choice.
I don't believe in the fact that there is one overriding factor of the entire universe or multiverse (god). that is a theory that came about back when kings and queens ruled the kingdom. the theory of an overall "god" has been around for the longest time because a "Monarchy" has ruled much of the world in it's respected kingdoms for probably 15000 or more years. The idea of one rules all is engrained so deep that it's not even funny. if people come into a collective there is always someone has to be the overall "controlling" factor. it's a given. And i guess most believe that the whole space continuum has to be done the same way. yet i find the whole aspect of space much more radical in nature. We have no control over what space does. Just like we have no control over volcanoes erupting or earthquakes. It's the nature of evolution... you have no control over it. we all just continue to adapt as humans. it's in our nature to do so. And there is many other species i'm sure out in space. that do the same thing. that's what makes us intelligent life forms. Yet when we die, we return to what is our essence. That would be a pure energy source of Ions possibly and we would most likely want to return to the source of this energy. which probably is the center of the universe or galaxy.
There is no telling. But i'm sure before the human race is completely eradicated, we will find out the truth.
The big problem with "reading" the Quran is that its native language is Arabic. Anything you read was a mere interpretation and thus prone to errors. I say this assuming you do not know how to read Arabic of course. If you do, my bad.
"But, I'm not sure if your birth was condemned or blessed. Being born a bastard is a hardship."
If you didn't insult me you sure have no clue how to write.
You have to be one of the most incredibly ignorant people on this board, bar none.
The Christian God and the God of the Muslims you speak of are one and the same.
"But, I'm not sure if your birth was condemned or blessed. Being born a bastard is a hardship."
If you didn't insult me you sure have no clue how to write.
Thats like me saying,"You have no clue how to read" Eitherway this isn't a productive part of discussion.
You know what I believe in, One God with many faces.
What Im saying is that my God and the multiple Hindu Gods are all the same God combined into one. Hes just has many names and faces.
(Im sorry if I missed spelled anything)
THEMANMAN or Doctor WHo
wow. god eh. i must say i belive in god. but not any bible or somthing. to many ppl with power have changed the good word to fit there war or to control there ppl. If there is an all loving god up above, And this all loving God is all loving do you think he would be abule to send most of his children to hell. that dosent sound all loving at all. I know my mom wouldent send me to hell no mater what i did. does my mom love me more then god. I think not. All there rules may be put here for a good resion but thats all thay are ruls and guidlines. if you want to know the secret to life stop looking. life is all there is and nothing else. And for thouse afraid to die well this happens to everyone and as we may think its the end, its only change. Not the end. You may not remamber much after the change but there is no stoping that. Live you life as you would in heaven and you will find it. Live life as you would in hell and you will find it.
simple GOD IS LIFE so enjoy
Did your mom ever use to put you over her knee and whoop your butt? And say thing's like, "This is going to hurt me more then it hurts you." Or send you to the corner because you were misbehaving. Pretty much the question is, did she use rudimentary disiplinary behavior on you so in the end you would be a better person?
Just think of that question...And think of what alot of people would say if asked that question. And then start thinking..."Maybe there is a reason the wicked are sent to hell...Maybe it's just a disciplinary tool of purification...Maybe contrary to popular belief...But rather similar to when my parents spanked me, or sent me to the corner..."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Some just take a couple eons and some fire for that to happen...
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
Everytime I see a discussion like this one, I ask the non-believers "What are the chances of Something as big as the universe to be created and start a chain-Of-Event's based on pure coincidence that innevitably Led to life".You do the math
I mean, something had to create atoms..Thing's just don't appear.
Did your mom ever use to put you over her knee and whoop your butt? And say thing's like, "This is going to hurt me more then it hurts you." Or send you to the corner because you were misbehaving. Pretty much the question is, did she use rudimentary disiplinary behavior on you so in the end you would be a better person?
Just think of that question...And think of what alot of people would say if asked that question. And then start thinking..."Maybe there is a reason the wicked are sent to hell...Maybe it's just a disciplinary tool of purification...Maybe contrary to popular belief...But rather similar to when my parents spanked me, or sent me to the corner..."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Some just take a couple eons and some fire for that to happen...
From what you believe (the bibble) there is no second chance once you die. You cant repent in hell once your there thats it. so how does hell make you a better person? I mean after your mom spanks you you can think about it. after you go to hell thats it.
Maby thinking there is a hell can make you a better person but going there?? thats crazy
This is one of these things that will never be resolved. No matter what one person believes to be true another 5 will disagree. As long as people can agree to disagree and leave it at that then we as a society will grow both socially and spiritually.open, frank discuss gives people a chance not only to express thier own beliefs but to hear others point of view and to ponder it. And isn't that the whole point of religion. To believe, to have Faith, to reflect and in doing so learn to understand the other people around you and yourself.
I am a Christian but do not follow any one demonitation. So many Christians while the same follow and believe in different things that have been taken from the bible. I Believe in God and like I said the first time I 'Choose' to believe that God is not a person or being per say but a 'force' or 'entity' that is within all people as well in the heavenly void where Love, peace and understanding dwell.
I did Say S/He becouse if God has a physical form why would 'he' have to be static. If all powerful as some believe 'she' could be any gender, animal, form 'he' liked. This is my beliefs and as they say I have the faith of my convictions and that's all that matters to me. But I will always respect your ideal's as well even if I don't agree with them.
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Hmm... I don't believe in "god", not in the tradtional fashion. I believe that "god" is the result of the human need for unxplained things to be explained. Back in biblical times, it seems that very little was known about the way the earth works, how our bodies work, and so on. They had to find some explanation for all these "strange" happenings. It is very easy to just decide that things happen the way they happen for the simple reason that some all powerful being wants them to happen like that.
I also believe, that people that take the messages in the bible to be literally what happened, need a reality check. The sun, the earth, and all the advanced forms of life on earth were not made in 7 days. We have scientific evidence that the earth is over 4 BILLION years old, and that life has only been on the planet for the past 3 billion years. And then that life was simple single-celled organisms, such as algea. There is scientific proof of MILLIONS of years of evolution. Sure, some people don't want to believe that we evolved from apes, but if you back a few million years, there wasn't much of a difference.
Also, someone mentioned the creation of the earth and such. Life on earth is most likely an accident. hell, the entire universe might be an accident. A study was done on sub-atmoic particles at the university of Boston. They found, that quarks (what makes up protons, neutrons, and electrons) moving from point A to point B do all sorts of crazy things. They'll disapear, reapear, sometimes as a completely different quark. The same is true with protons and neutrons. They have been observed "poofing" in and out of space for a billionth of a second. The Big bang theroy, for those who don't know, states that the universe started as a tiny dot of super-dense matter, about the size of this period. it then expanded with everything that is now our universe. So many people say, "well, that dot must have come from somewhere, so HA! there is a "god", you just proved yourself wrong." But, using the study from Boston, that dot could have been a bit of matter that "poofed" into space, and was to massive to "poof" back out.
Also, back to life on earth: Earth is within the area where we recieve just enough heat to sustain life. In fact, (obviously) we are the only planet found to be the ideal distance away from star is orbits. Scientists believe there has never been much land where the pacific ocean is. Some beleive that the ocean is the result of a massive meteor, the size of mars, striking the Earth early in formation. That impact, besides forming the moon (the moon is damn near the same age as the earth, and made up of the same rock, to similar to have been a passing meteor that got caught in the gravity of the earth) May have pushed the earth into our current orbit.
Sure, the odds against what I just described are extreme. But we are living proof that we hit the odds just right.
So really, I don't believe in some all powerful being.
There is so many scientific facts out there that proove parts of the Bible wrong. Last time I went to Sunday school, the parent tried to brainwash us by stating that astrologists were lost souls who did not believe in god. I just think that some people need to open their eyes and quit hiding behind old ways.
Please share with me the scientific facts that prove the Bible wrong....
I guess you must not know what proves it right...
http://www.pytlik.com/observe/deliverus/word-03.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/noahs_ark_010823-1.html
http://www.atsnn.com/story/46042.html
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not some peace loving, tree hugging hippie. I belive we need a good world war about now, we need to cull the herd, so to speak. For those who say I'm sick, well, the way I look at it, if it happens in nature than it is a natural thing. Chimpanzies, will raid and kill other groups of chimps. Many species of ants, kill their own kinds, to avoid competition. Now don't get on the train of we are better than chimps, because we are not, when was the last time you saw a chimp molest a 2 year old girl and get away with it, cause the judge agreed she was making sexual overtures?
Well I can't think of anything else atm, so I'll look back in, in a few!
Well said you have earned my respect, always nice to see some one of a different opinion express their opinion in a civil manner
looks like you and I aren't so different after all, I must say I agree with what you say
you know accept for the issue of God lol
As for animals in heaven, that is something I have wondered about and something organized religion couldn't really explain, another reason why I don't trust organized religion, it was always my belief that there is no heaven or hell but a spiritual plain of sorts where all living things go good or bad and live there next life, making life an endless circle
And I don't see war as a bad thing either, it controls population and keeps a balance, besides it is a warriors duty to fight
yeah I have been called a pagan for my beliefs, so I don't fit in with Athiests nor Christians lol
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
50/50 vote. Pretty close..
I'll have to say no and I'll always say no, well, because it just doesn't make any sense.
I love having conversations at school about how the earth isn't 6000 years old.. how its billions of years old. Funny kids.