Same faction open world PvP confirmed, COMING SOON!

azzamasin

Quakecon's new reveal with the incoming justice system just confirmed open world PvP.  When you steal or murder NPC's a bounty is placed on your head and other players can hunt you down.

 

 

marcust

Please be true.

Bruhza

If this is true, then it should be interesting to see how they handle it.

Cougan

Wonder if you can murder nearly any npc o.o

azzamasin

Originally posted by Cougan
Wonder if you can murder nearly any npc o.o

Looks that way but I think like Skyrim, then quest NPC's and certain others are immune.  Or at least I would hope so.

Cougan

Its possible only the Dark Brotherhood kill missions would be classed as murders... which would lead to a very interesting situation where players who did this quest line would be killable by their own faction.

marcust

The obvious question is: How will you find the people to hunt them down under the multi-instance megaserver model.

If you accept a bounty will it ensure you exist in the same instance?

I've always hoped for open world pvp and a decent alignment system in this game, that would bring it much closer to why I play Darkfall.

Velocinox

Low hanging fruit.

cerulean2012

Originally posted by marcust

The obvious question is: How will you find the people to hunt them down under the multi-instance megaserver model.

If you accept a bounty will it ensure you exist in the same instance?

I've always hoped for open world pvp and a decent alignment system in this game, that would bring it much closer to why I play Darkfall.

I believe they will have the person who kills the NPC and those who take the bounty all go to their own instance, if so this could get very lonely for them.

MikeB

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFdcsmJlKE

cerulean2012

Originally posted by azzamasin

Quakecon's new reveal with the incoming justice system just confirmed open world PvP.  When you steal or murder NPC's a bounty is placed on your head and other players can hunt you down.

 

 

Azzamasin, also your title is misleading since the pvp will only be against those who steal or murder.

Distopia

Nice, what would be cool is NPC's that offer updates on a target's current position. Place them around the world have them work similar to bounty droids in SWG. They give a round about estimate of where the player may be.

rojoArcueid

same faction open world pvp tied to justice system sounds pretty interesting if they manage to do it well. But what about cross faction open world pvp? i would be even more interested in that. Getting imprisoned in the enemy faction and having a group of guildies pvp(or even pve) their way through to set me free would be a dream come true and an instant resub every month.

Distopia

Originally posted by rojoArcueid
same faction open world pvp tied to justice system sounds pretty interesting if they manage to do it well. But what about cross faction open world pvp? i would be even more interested in that. Getting imprisoned in the enemy faction and having a group of guildies pvp their way through to set me free would be a dream come true and an instant resub every month.

You would have loved the Bloodfin community in SWG.

cerulean2012

Originally posted by rojoArcueid
same faction open world pvp tied to justice system sounds pretty interesting if they manage to do it well. But what about cross faction open world pvp? i would be even more interested in that. Getting imprisoned in the enemy faction and having a group of guildies pvp(or even pve) their way through to set me free would be a dream come true and an instant resub every month.

Don't see that happening without completely destroying pve.  Maybe something like that could be done in Cryodill.

Nzscorpion80

When I first read the title I though oh damn, now its a FFA because there aint enough players in all the realms, hopefully its just part of the crime system.

cerulean2012

Originally posted by Nzscorpion80
When I first read the title I though oh damn, now its a FFA because there aint enough players in all the realms, hopefully its just part of the crime system.

It is, title is misleading. 

If you steal or kill an NPC you get a bounty placed on your head and only then can you be attacked.  So it isn't real open world pvp only a partial system.

I hope it works out as the game needs some good things to happen to it.

Scot

A justice system does not equal open world PvP, it could just mean for Player versus NPC's. But at least this gives players something else to be disappointed about when it does not turn out the way they want.

Look forward to the future thread: "FFS they promised us open world PvP where is it the liars!!!!!"

Grymmoire

And I wonder just what safeguards they have devised to prevent friends; groups; guilds from taking advantage of the bounties by rotating the killingcollecting aspect?

When I wrote up a very detailed bounty system for a game awhile ago, I proposed combating the above possibility by having the bounty being taken from the criminal's bank and some % of the collected reward monies going back into the game as money-sink too.

Hope the Devs have considered this and have a devious system to address possible abuse.

azzamasin

Originally posted by Grymmoire

And I wonder just what safeguards they have devised to prevent friends; groups; guilds from taking advantage of the bounties by rotating the killingcollecting aspect?

When I wrote up a very detailed bounty system for a game awhile ago, I proposed combating the above possibility by having the bounty being taken from the criminal's bank and some % of the collected reward monies going back into the game as money-sink too.

Hope the Devs have considered this and have a devious system to address possible abuse.

In the video they showed a penalty of a lot of gold that the player could not afford.  So it looks like you'll remain killable till you pay this fine.

azzamasin

Originally posted by rojoArcueid
same faction open world pvp tied to justice system sounds pretty interesting if they manage to do it well. But what about cross faction open world pvp? i would be even more interested in that. Getting imprisoned in the enemy faction and having a group of guildies pvp(or even pve) their way through to set me free would be a dream come true and an instant resub every month.

I think that is what Cryodiil is meant for. 

Betaguy

neat

Grymmoire

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Grymmoire

And I wonder just what safeguards they have devised to prevent friends; groups; guilds from taking advantage of the bounties by rotating the killingcollecting aspect?

When I wrote up a very detailed bounty system for a game awhile ago, I proposed combating the above possibility by having the bounty being taken from the criminal's bank and some % of the collected reward monies going back into the game as money-sink too.

Hope the Devs have considered this and have a devious system to address possible abuse.

In the video they showed a penalty of a lot of gold that the player could not afford.  So it looks like you'll remain killable till you pay this fine.

Yes I noticed the penalty, however, an option to 'Flee' was also there and if successful, the penalty would not seem to need be paid.

If however, the reward was the exact penalty amount and taken from the player, it would address what I wrote. If however, upon being killed, the criminal's penalty is merely erased, what has (s)he lost?  If the reward outweighs the penalty fines by a fair amount, they could stand to gain under the exact circumstances I outlined in my op.

To prevent possible abuse, criminals' 'risks' upon being killed have to be more (monetary and possibly lengthy debuffs or stat decreases) than the reward upon their heads.

Cougan

I dont really see a benefit from murdering NPCs though, unless it gives xp for the Dark Brotherhood or something.

 

They weren't dropping gold or items as far as I could see and not putting up a good fight.

Orious

Originally posted by Cougan

I dont really see a benefit from murdering NPCs though, unless it gives xp for the Dark Brotherhood or something.

 

They weren't dropping gold or items as far as I could see and not putting up a good fight.

People don't need "motivation" to kill NPCs/be evil in games. People do need motivation to protect against such things, though. My fear is you'll see mindless killing everywhere and those that do it have millions of gold and don't care about a little 20K-100K bounty...chump change. Or you'll choose to flee and sorcs will just teleport away/nightblades will go invisible/Dragon Knights will root then run/Templars will knock them down and run. That is of course if they can't kill the guard 1 on 1. What about 10 players who are all red? 1 guard will do nothing and this will happen whether there is "motivation" or not.

If the incentive to seek red players is there, this could be good...but then again it'll be up to the players or ZOS will be making a pretty "on-rails" system to subvert these things.

Cougan

Originally posted by Orious

Originally posted by Cougan

I dont really see a benefit from murdering NPCs though, unless it gives xp for the Dark Brotherhood or something.

 

They weren't dropping gold or items as far as I could see and not putting up a good fight.

People don't need "motivation" to kill NPCs/be evil in games. People do need motivation to protect against such things, though. My fear is you'll see mindless killing everywhere and those that do it have millions of gold and don't care about a little 20K-100K bounty...chump change. Or you'll choose to flee and sorcs will just teleport away/nightblades will go invisible/Dragon Knights will root then run/Templars will knock them down and run. That is of course if they can't kill the guard 1 on 1. What about 10 players who are all red? 1 guard will do nothing and this will happen whether there is "motivation" or not.

If the incentive to seek red players is there, this could be good...but then again it'll be up to the players or ZOS will be making a pretty "on-rails" system to subvert these things.

Yeah I agree there should be a good risk/reward system and they hopefully look at angles of abuse before it even comes out or its just fluff, like killing chickens and if you do die then oh well you're back to a ordinary player.